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House of Commons · General Debate

Covid-19: Response and Excess Deaths

18 April 2024 · 22 other contributors

Opened by Andrew Bridgen Con North West Leicestershire

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At a glance

Andrew Bridgen raised concerns about covid-19: response and excess deaths in the House of Commons. Other MPs contributed to the debate.

Key points

  • The motion calls for the covid-19 inquiry to investigate vaccines and therapeutics, citing concerns over untested medical treatments, hidden data, and excess deaths.
  • Andrew Bridgen argues that these vaccines are neither safe nor effective, causing harm and increasing cancer risk.
  • He demands transparency regarding record-level data and criticises the removal of midazolam from treatment guidelines.

How the debate unfolded

MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said.

Opened the debate

Andrew Bridgen Con North West Leicestershire

The motion calls for the covid-19 inquiry to investigate vaccines and therapeutics, citing concerns over untested medical treatments, hidden data, and excess deaths. Andrew Bridgen argues that these vaccines are neither safe nor effective, causing harm and increasing cancer risk. He demands transparency regarding record-level data, criticises the removal of midazolam from treatment guidelines, and highlights inconsistencies in ONS calculations of excess deaths.

Other contributors (22)
  • Andrew Bridgen Con North West Leicestershire

    Bridgen argues that vaccine safety and efficacy were overstated by the government and media. He cites Pfizer's contract with Brazil/South Africa stating adverse effects are not known, and raises concerns about midazolam's role in treatment guidelines causing respiratory issues for patients. He also mentions a rise in emergency ambulance calls post-vaccine roll-out, suggesting potential links to vaccine side effects.

  • Rosie Winterton Lab unknown constituency

    No, no, we will have to clear the Gallery if clapping continues; I will order it, if necessary.

  • Christopher Chope Con Christchurch

    Chope reiterated his request that the Government take effective action to ensure proper compensation for those negatively affected by covid-19 vaccines. He highlighted that there are over 9,000 claims and nearly half have not been resolved within a reasonable timeframe. Chope also discussed the postponement of module 4 in the public inquiry and the issue with Evusheld availability for immunocompromised individuals.

  • Philip Hollobone Con Kettering

    Hollobone agreed that the slowness of decision-making regarding therapeutics stands in contrast to the rapid decisions taken on vaccines initially, emphasising the difficulties faced by immunosuppressed individuals.

  • Wera Hobhouse Lib Dem Bath

    Hobhouse acknowledged that there is always a balance between benefits and risks but suggested that the judgment was made in favour of vaccine distribution due to the overwhelming benefit. She also pointed out that absolute certainty regarding a link between vaccines and excess deaths needs further proof.

  • Kieran Mullan Con Bexhill and Battle

    Mullan agreed with Hobhouse, emphasising that medical interventions inherently carry risks but ultimately save more lives than they take, illustrating this with antibiotics causing anaphylactic reactions.

  • Danny Kruger Reform East Wiltshire

    Kruger questioned the Government's position on excess deaths and suggested that acknowledging a risk from vaccines could help explain these deaths. He pointed out that while the benefits may outweigh risks, there is an inherent risk associated with vaccines.

  • Andrew Bridgen Con North West Leicestershire

    Bridgen explained the link between vaccine-induced spike protein production and blood clots leading to heart attacks, strokes, or pulmonary embolisms. He argued for recognition of this risk.

  • Rosie Winterton Lab Sheffield Central

    Warned the House about clapping in the Gallery and threatened to clear it if it happens again.

  • Neale Hanvey Ind Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath

    Clarified the difference between prophylaxis and anaphylaxis, arguing that the vaccine's side effects are systemic and chronic rather than acute allergic reactions.

  • Kieran Mullan Con Bexhill and Battle

    Provided an analogy of ibuprofen to highlight long-term risks associated with medication generally considered safe, questioning the scientific understanding presented by some speakers.

  • Stephen Metcalfe Con South Basildon and East Thurrock

    Suggested that there might be more correlation than causation in reported vaccine side effects and called for further research to determine the truth behind these claims.

  • Graham Stringer Lab Blackley and Middleton South

    Stringer emphasised that the pandemic response was politicized, leading to a failure in addressing both economic damage and public health concerns. He criticised the lack of parliamentary oversight during lockdowns and the media's uncritical approach towards government policies. Additionally, he expressed doubt about the Hallett inquiry's value due to its potential costs and lengthy duration.

  • Stephen Metcalfe Con South Basildon and East Thurrock

    Metcalfe defended the initial response to the pandemic, arguing that it was necessary at the time to protect hospitals from being overwhelmed by respiratory patients. He acknowledged potential mistakes in hindsight but maintained that rapid action was essential.

  • Andrew Bridgen Con North West Leicestershire

    Bridgen questioned the effectiveness of inquiries, citing the Post Office Horizon inquiry as an example where justice seemed elusive. He suggested that sub-postmasters might consider private prosecutions due to dissatisfaction with official inquiries.

  • Kieran Mullan Con Bexhill and Battle

    Mullan defended the reliability of death certificates, stating that clinicians make informed judgments on causes of death. He refuted claims of a conspiracy among doctors in misreporting deaths.

  • Danny Kruger Reform East Wiltshire

    Pays tribute to all Members who have spoken, acknowledges leadership and work done by various colleagues, disagrees with the suggestion that some fishy business was going on in how the ONS calculates excess deaths. He highlights significant evidence of other factors contributing to excess deaths, particularly concerning heart health. Discusses concerns about the regulatory system overseeing medical treatments and vaccines, highlighting deficiencies in the MHRA's operation. Questions whether indemnities against civil action still apply if it transpires that companies misled the Government and public. Raises questions about the inquiry's focus and calls for more evidence on vaccine safety and efficacy.

  • Discussed the need for a reasoned and mature approach to issues involving gender identity development services, raised concerns about correlation versus causation in relation to vaccine effects, expressed disappointment over the delay of module 4 of an inquiry, and emphasised the importance of maintaining consistent methodology in assessing excess deaths.

  • Kieran Mullan Con Bexhill and Battle

    Addressed concerns about the timeline of vaccine trials by explaining that while typical trials take a long time to recruit patients, the recent vaccine trial achieved similar results in a shorter timeframe due to rapid recruitment. He also acknowledged the time pressure involved in producing a vaccine quickly to mitigate economic impacts.

  • Andrew Gwynne Ind Gorton and Denton

    Congratulates the hon. Member for North West Leicestershire on securing the debate, thanks Members who contributed, defines 'excess deaths' as a key statistic tracked by Governments of all political persuasions, emphasises that vaccines played a massive role in overcoming worst fears of covid-19 and returning to normality, acknowledges side effects but calls for investigations without scaring people away from boosters, supports the right of clinically vulnerable communities to access drugs like Evusheld and Evusheld 2 so they can regain freedoms, stresses the need to fight back against figures on excess deaths through informed measures about health and wellbeing, advocates an NHS rooted in communities with new technologies for diagnosis and treatment, and emphasises that the covid-19 vaccine is the best way of protecting oneself and loved ones from a terrible virus.

  • Maria Caulfield Con Lewes

    Acknowledges the importance of a measured debate on vaccines and pandemic management, recognises that excess deaths occurred before and during the pandemic but have been reducing. Highlights the government's efforts to address issues such as flu vaccine delays, cardiovascular disease deaths, and the rollout of digital health checks and workplace cardiovascular checks. Emphasises the need for evidence from the inquiry regarding future pandemics and the importance of the covid vaccination in lowering mortality rates. Mentions the ongoing assessment of Evusheld’s effectiveness against omicron variant. Acknowledges no vaccine is completely risk-free, but expresses confidence in monitoring systems like the MHRA's yellow card system. Discusses the vaccine damage payment scheme and research into future types of vaccines.

  • Andrew Bridgen Con Hazel Grove

    Andrew Bridgen emphasised that the current stance on vaccine safety is causing significant harm and deaths. He called for transparency from the Government in releasing data to address these concerns thoroughly.

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