Commons Sense

House of Commons · Ministerial Statement

Covid Vaccine Passports

08 September 2021 · 29 other contributors

Opened by Nadhim Zahawi Con Constituency

NHS

Summarised by AI from the official record, so it can contain mistakes.

At a glance

Nadhim Zahawi raised concerns about covid vaccine passports in the House of Commons. A government minister responded. Other MPs also contributed.

Key points

  • Our vaccination programme has reduced hospitalisations by over 143,000 and saved around 100,000 lives.
  • Full vaccination will become a condition for entry into nightclubs and venues with large crowds by the end of September.
  • This approach aligns with international travel rules to reduce transmission and serious illness.

How the debate unfolded

MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said.

Government Statement

Our vaccination programme has provided significant protection against the deadly virus, reducing hospitalisations by over 143,000 and saving around 100,000 lives. By the end of September, when all over-18s will have had the chance to be double jabbed, full vaccination will become a condition for entry into nightclubs and venues with large crowds. This approach aims to reduce transmission and serious illness by aligning it with international travel rules. The minister emphasises the importance of getting vaccinated, noting that 88% of people have received one dose while over 80% are fully vaccinated.

Other contributors (29)
  • Alistair Carmichael Lib Dem Orkney and Shetland

    Question

    The introduction of vaccine passports will have enormous practical implications for businesses. The deadline is just three weeks away, yet the Government must provide clarity on legal authority and consequences for non-compliance. Carmichael also questions why nightclubs remain open safely since July if additional measures are needed now.

    Minister reply

    Zahawi reassures that no one wants to curtail freedoms but aims to avoid future disruptions. By September, all 18-year-olds and above will have the chance for two doses. The Minister explains that while 60% of double-vaccinated individuals won't be infected, 40% might still spread it, making the additional safety measure necessary. He mentions the system allowing digital and non-digital proofs to ensure accessibility for all, including those without smartphones who can confirm their status via a call to 119.

  • William Wragg Con Hazel Grove

    Question

    The MP criticises the minister for defending a policy he previously deemed discriminatory and unnecessary. He argues that the measure will damage society’s fabric and is redundant as most agree on vaccine encouragement.

    Minister reply

    The Minister acknowledges his previous stance but justifies the current measure, emphasising it's necessary to avoid closing down sectors due to super-spreader events caused by unvaccinated individuals.

  • Angela Rayner Lab Ashton-under-Lyne

    Question

    The MP urges for clarity on the Government’s plan and asks about how vaccine certification will be implemented, who must implement it, support for staff at venues, and whether negative test options will be dropped. She also inquires about potential impacts on essential services.

    Minister reply

    The Minister assures that some essential services will not require vaccine certification and clarifies that the measure is part of transitioning the virus from pandemic to endemic status through vaccination and education efforts.

  • Mark Harper Con Folkestone and Hythe

    Question

    The MP argues that the policy is discriminatory, ineffective in reducing transmission, and unnecessary since Members of Parliament are not subject to such measures.

    Minister reply

    The Minister defends the policy by citing evidence on the effectiveness of vaccines against hospitalisation and death, and explains exemptions for those with medical reasons or trial vaccine recipients.

  • Stewart Hosie SNP Dundee East

    Question

    The MP pays tribute to vaccination efforts and inquires about confirmation that no essential service will require a vaccine passport.

    Minister reply

    The Minister confirms the importance of addressing questions on essential services during parliamentary scrutiny.

  • Karen Bradley Con Staffordshire Moorlands

    Question

    The MP asks who would bear responsibility if fake vaccine passports are used and how it will be policed.

    Minister reply

    The Minister states that the detail of implementation, including policing responsibilities, will be addressed in future parliamentary engagement.

  • Seema Malhotra Lab Co-op Feltham and Heston

    Question

    The MP raises concerns about practical implementation and requests clear guidance on venues requiring a vaccine passport and additional funding for affected businesses.

    Minister reply

    The Minister confirms that guidance will be issued regarding specific venues, particularly nightclubs, and acknowledges the need to address cost implications.

  • Desmond Swayne Con New Forest West

    Question

    The MP criticises the policy as illiberal, discriminatory, and coercive.

    Minister reply

    The Minister explains that while he personally finds the measure difficult, it is necessary to sustain economic activity during unprecedented times.

  • Munira Wilson Lib Dem Twickenham

    Question

    The MP almost feels sorry for the Minister but points out that he is struggling to defend this policy. She asks if the House will get a vote on the implementation of covid vaccine passports.

    Minister reply

    There will be appropriate parliamentary scrutiny, as I have said today and in the past.

  • Question

    The MP questions whether people who have had covid but not vaccinated should still need a passport to enter nightclubs. He also criticises the policy for being unnecessary and argues that it goes against a laissez-faire attitude.

    Minister reply

    My hon. Friend is quite right, and on people who may have had covid and not had the vaccine, there is evidence that it can be much more harmful to them unless they get vaccinated.

  • Jeff Smith Lab Manchester Withington

    Question

    The MP questions how a nightclub will be defined compared to late bars with DJs playing music and asks why the policy should apply only to nightclubs when other crowded indoor venues, such as the Chamber and Lobby of the House of Commons, are open.

    Minister reply

    These passports have already been implemented for international travel and other countries in Europe have them for nightclubs. We think this is the right thing to do to help us transition the virus from pandemic to endemic status.

  • Question

    The MP argues that protecting the population is the prime duty of any Government, even during a unique war with a virus like covid. He also suggests that the vaccine passport will encourage more people to get vaccinated.

    Minister reply

    I agree that this is a difficult and important decision but we are still not in a place where I can say that we have transitioned this virus into an endemic status.

  • Chris Bryant Lab Rhondda and Ogmore

    Question

    The MP argues against the policy stating there is no legal definition of what constitutes a nightclub. He also suggests that bouncers will be turned into legal officers to determine whether someone has had a placebo.

    Minister reply

    Bouncers will not have to decide if someone has had a placebo or not, because anyone who has been on a trial will receive their certificate.

  • Richard Fuller Con North Bedfordshire

    Question

    The MP argues that the measures are unsupportable due to lack of rationale and questions whether this Government wishes to take powers that were deemed emergency powers and make them normal.

    Minister reply

    I agree with my hon. Friend but we are having to take a measure as we endure times that are not normal.

  • Emma Hardy Lab Kingston upon Hull West and Haltemprice

    Question

    The MP asks how the Minister can ensure that those with medical exemptions will not have further restrictions on their freedoms because of his vaccine passport plan.

    Minister reply

    We have spent time, energy, and resource to ensure those with medical conditions were prioritised in both category 4 and 6 of phase 1 of the vaccination programme.

  • Question

    The MP asks if my hon. Friend confirms that the duration of these passports would only last as long as it is considered that the United Kingdom was in a pandemic state, not an endemic state.

    Minister reply

    There is great difficulty with knowing at what stage we feel confident that the virus has transitioned from pandemic to endemic.

  • Florence Eshalomi Lab Co-op Vauxhall and Camberwell Green

    Question

    The MP questions what funding will be available to businesses and when they will receive it in order to implement the policy.

    Minister reply

    I think what is more detrimental to businesses is having to open and shut, and open and shut again. The reason for this policy is to sustain their ability to trade profitably.

  • Question

    The MP asks about additional incentives that can be offered to young people in order to take up the vaccine.

    Minister reply

    Young people have been coming forward in droves to be vaccinated and walk-in centres are available all around the country.

  • Question

    The MP argues that many countries already introduce checks in hospitality and entertainment venues, and questions whether he will now cut through the hysteria and get on with it.

    Minister reply

    Yes.

  • Jason McCartney Con Colne Valley

    Question

    On Sunday, I joined dozens of volunteers for a thank you event with Medicare Pharmacy for the 58,000 jabs that it has delivered to local people this year. What more, though, can the Minister do to encourage—I stress the word “encourage”—those who are still to have their jab to come forward and do so?

    Minister reply

    I am grateful for my hon. Friend’s work. He has been a champion of the vaccination programme and I am grateful to Medicare Pharmacy. We continue to have pop-ups at universities and walk-ins around the country, and incentives to young people to get vaccinated. We also continue to redouble our efforts to keep the vaccine evergreen for those who have not yet had their first dose.

  • Sarah Olney Lib Dem Richmond Park

    Question

    Last week, I spoke to a constituent who is a widow with four children and has been working for the NHS on the frontline throughout the pandemic. One of her children has a range of very complex needs that can only be met by full-time residential care, and there is only one setting in the entire country that can meet his particular needs. She has been told that it cannot take him because of a shortage of care staff, and that the particular difficulty in recruiting at the moment is the requirement for care staff to have had two jabs. As the right hon. Member for Forest of Dean (Mr Harper), who is no longer in his place, highlighted, the vaccine does not prevent infection or the spread of covid. So why, given the crisis in recruitment of care staff, do we still have this requirement for two jabs when it is not effective and is depriving vulnerable people of the care they need?

    Minister reply

    If the hon. Lady will forgive me, I wish to reiterate that what she said is inaccurate in the sense of the vaccines not preventing infection. Sixty per cent. of people who are double-vaccinated will not be infected and therefore cannot spread the virus, but 40% can. This is an important measure. We have a duty of care to those most vulnerable in care homes in ensuring that the staff are double-jabbed, and they have until 11 November to do that.

  • Simon Jupp Con Sheringham

    Question

    Make no mistake: vaccine passports will create a two-tier society with the hospitality industry having to police an unethical policy that will hammer its recovery. Given the Government’s own words that we need to live with this virus, will my hon. Friend confirm how long vaccine passports will be in place—if passed by this House?

    Minister reply

    We will set out in detail in due course exactly how the vaccine pass will work for domestic use: for example, in nightclubs.

  • Jim Shannon DUP Strangford

    Question

    I thank the Minister for all the hard work he does and for answering these very difficult questions. It would seem that each region of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland has differing versions of the system in relation to offering vaccine passports, and that confuses people whenever they read or hear it in the national news. What discussions have taken place with regional Administrations on this issue? Are there any plans to standardise each region to have a one-size-fits-all UK strategy that people can understand and follow?

    Minister reply

    I am grateful for the hon. Gentleman’s excellent question. I am very proud, as are the Ministers from the devolved Administrations, of the work we have done collectively on the vaccination programme, which we will continue to do for the booster programme. As he heard earlier, this is a devolved matter but we try to co-ordinate wherever possible and do the right thing together.

  • Jacob Young Con Berwick-upon-Tweed

    Question

    I congratulate the Minister and all those involved in the vaccination roll-out on four-fifths of over-16-year-olds now being double-vaccinated. This Government have worked night and day to ensure that we have the testing capacity to test over 1 million people a day, and many millions more with lateral flow tests as well. Surely a nightclub full of people who have tested negative is safer than a nightclub of people who are double-vaccinated.

    Minister reply

    I am grateful for my hon. Friend’s championing of the vaccination programme. He raises an important point. One of the issues around lateral flow tests is the risk of people fraudulently inputting their test result, but also those are for a single excursion whereas being double-vaccinated means that people can go and enjoy nightclubs as many times as they like.

  • Joy Morrissey Con Beaconsfield

    Question

    May I, on bended knee, implore my hon. Friend to summon all his courage and say no to vaccine passports to protect our civil liberties? He has been so courageous in the vaccine roll-out, so will he please protect our civil liberties and say no to vaccine passports?

    Minister reply

    I hope that when my hon. Friend pauses and reflects on what we will be bringing forward, she will see that it is much better for the nightclub industry to be able to open sustainably while we get through the next few months. The winter months are going to be tough and challenging not just for covid but also for flu. It is a far better option to listen to the clinical advice of the CMOs and implement something that is difficult for me to do, and goes against everything I believe in, but nevertheless is the right thing to do.

  • Greg Smith Con Mid Buckinghamshire

    Question

    We have a whole summer’s worth of data from the events research programme that shows how organisers of events such as the British grand prix at Silverstone in my constituency had to meet extreme costs to put in the planning and the checking of vaccine passports at the gate. Before this policy is put to a vote in this House, will my hon. Friend commit to publishing the data on the cost to business of vaccine passport checks through the events research programme, so that we can be fully apprised of the cost of this policy?

    Minister reply

    My hon. Friend’s question is important and is one that we will be looking at. Suffice to say, as I mentioned earlier, the events research programme certainly gave us the confidence that people can deal with this measure relatively easily. In the way that a nightclub bouncer can check ID, they can check covid vaccination status.

  • Holly Mumby-Croft Con Gainsborough

    Question

    Like many across the House, I am instinctively wary of this idea. Will my hon. Friend give me a clear answer to a specific question: will right hon. and hon. Members receive a vote? For the avoidance of doubt, I am talking about a vote and not scrutiny of the policy.

    Minister reply

    I have said that there will be parliamentary scrutiny around this, and we will be coming back and setting out in detail what that looks like.

  • Christian Wakeford Lab Bury South

    Question

    I am flabbergasted, depressed and annoyed that we are even discussing this matter. It is absolutely wrong on a fundamental level. Putting to one side the practical implications of how it will be policed, more important are the general data protection regulation implications of bouncers having medical data in their hands. What are we doing in regard to the data? Nightclubs have been open for over two months. Is there any data to support this policy, because I do not think there is?

    Minister reply

    The very strong advice from the chief medical officers—we have heard from our colleagues in Scotland, too—is that this will be an important mitigating measure. It is something we do not do lightly. I completely understand my hon. Friend’s sentiment and emotion on this. In terms of the data presented, it will be limited simply to the vaccine status and the name of the individual. It can be on a smartphone, but if someone does not have one, it will be physical or by email.

Shadow Comment

Alistair Carmichael

Carmichael questions the practical and legal implications of vaccine passports, expressing concerns about data protection for businesses and a shift in citizen-state relations. He highlights inconsistencies in the case for vaccine passports, questioning why nightclubs have been open safely since July if additional measures are now needed by the end of September. Carmichael also raises issues regarding equalities legislation and the negative impact on businesses, urging for clarity on how these establishments will check patrons' vaccination status.

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