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House of Commons · General Debate

Terms and Conditions of Employment

14 May 2024 · 6 other contributors

Opened by Kevin Hollinrake Con Thirsk and Malton

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At a glance

Kevin Hollinrake raised concerns about terms and conditions of employment in the House of Commons. Other MPs contributed to the debate.

Key points

  • The draft order aims to increase the deterrent effect of the code of practice on dismissal and re-engagement.
  • Employment tribunals can apply an uplift of up to 25% of an employee's compensation if an employer unreasonably fails to comply with the code.
  • The Government have consulted ACAS and trade unions extensively and made necessary adjustments to the draft code based on feedback.

How the debate unfolded

MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said.

Opened the debate

Kevin Hollinrake Con Thirsk and Malton

The draft order aims to increase the deterrent effect of the code of practice on dismissal and re-engagement, ensuring that employers are clear about their responsibilities when considering changes to employment contracts. The Government have consulted ACAS and trade unions extensively, making necessary adjustments to the draft code based on feedback. Employment tribunals will be able to apply an uplift of up to 25% of an employee’s compensation if an employer unreasonably fails to comply with the code. The order seeks to strike a balance between protecting employees and preserving business flexibility in times of crisis.

Other contributors (6)
  • Gavin Newlands SNP Paisley and Renfrewshire North

    Asked whether the motion would stop Willie Walsh from threatening to fire and rehire 10,000 air stewards at British Airways. Also questioned if the extra 25% deterrent was enough given that it might save businesses more money in the long run than adhering to the code.

  • Christine Jardine Lib Dem Edinburgh West

    Expressed concern that the code looks optimistic and may be toothless in dealing with companies operating outside of normal practice, questioning its effectiveness in addressing poor practices.

  • Justin Madders Lab Ellesmere Port and Bromborough

    We welcome the order but argue it does not go far enough to address fire and rehire. Since the P&O Ferries case, there has been a significant rise in employers using fire and rehire as a tactic. The Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development found that between August 2021 and March 2023, instances nearly doubled. ACAS advised that penalties may not always be strong deterrents for egregious breaches. We propose uncapped sanctions based on the facts to discourage law-breaking employers from pricing in the cost of legal violations. Smaller transgressions should still allow for proportional consequences, but serious abuses must face potentially higher costs than compliance. The current 25% uplift is insufficient and may not deter bad actors who can afford to break the law. The order’s scope leaves out smaller establishments and certain worker categories. Tribunal fees will inhibit enforcement of rights. We oppose provisions reducing compensation when employees unreasonably fail to comply with codes.

  • John Hayes Con South Holland and The Deepings

    Emphasises that large businesses can absorb costs small firms cannot, suggesting the regulations need to address this disparity for effective deterrence.

  • Chris Stephens SNP Glasgow South West

    Stephens refers to the Register of Members’ Financial Interests and expresses disappointment that a long-awaited Employment Bill has not materialised. He discusses the persistence of fire and rehire practices despite the Taylor review recommendations, highlighting its detrimental impact on workers' dignity and fairness in the labour market. Stephens supports private Member's Bills tabled by his colleague to outlaw fire and rehire and raises concerns about potential employer evasion of penalties through financial calculation, urging for greater transparency and enforcement measures.

  • Kevin Hollinrake Con Thirsk and Malton

    Hollinrake addresses the debate by acknowledging the Labour Party's position but counters with examples suggesting that dismissal and re-engagement can be necessary for business survival. He criticises the language used to describe fire and rehire as overly negative, arguing that most employers act honourably towards their employees. Hollinrake explains that the order will increase penalties for non-compliance with collective consultation requirements and emphasises the importance of balance between labour market flexibility and safeguarding workers' rights.

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