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House of Commons · Ministerial Statement

Public Health England Review: Covid-19 Disparities

04 June 2020 · 42 other contributors

Opened by Kemi Badenoch Con North West Essex

Summarised by AI from the official record, so it can contain mistakes.

At a glance

Kemi Badenoch raised concerns about public health england review: covid-19 disparities in the House of Commons. A government minister responded. Other MPs also contributed.

Key points

  • The Minister discussed racial tensions and recent protests related to events in the US.
  • Public Health England completed a review on the impact of COVID-19 on BAME communities.
  • The review confirms that being from a BAME background is a risk factor for higher diagnosis rates.

How the debate unfolded

MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said.

Government Statement

The Minister of State, Department for Digital Culture Media and Sport and Equalities commented on the racial tensions due to recent events in the US and protests in London. She highlighted the importance of understanding the impact of COVID-19 on BAME communities accurately. Public Health England (PHE) has completed its review confirming that being from a BAME background is a risk factor for higher diagnosis rates, even after accounting for age, deprivation, region, and sex. The Government will be reviewing their actions to lessen disparities in infection and death rates of COVID-19 and commission further data research through the Equalities Hub to clarify the reasons for gaps in evidence highlighted by the report.

Other contributors (42)
  • Gill Furniss Lab Sheffield Brightside and Hillsborough

    Question

    The MP questioned the lack of recommendations in Public Health England's review, the absence of views on discrimination and racism from the review, the need for structural racism recognition, action to address socioeconomic inequalities, a plan for employers' BAME workforce risk assessment.

    Minister reply

    Kemi Badenoch acknowledged the importance of understanding disparities and their drivers but emphasised that recommendations would come after wider dissemination and discussion. She noted that some data needed is not routinely collected.

  • Caroline Nokes Con Romsey and Southampton North

    Question

    The MP inquired about the involvement of various departments in addressing BAME communities' issues, including Work and Pensions, Transport, and Education.

    Minister reply

    Kemi Badenoch confirmed that equalities are a cross-governmental responsibility, not confined to the Equalities Office.

  • Question

    The MP inquired about Scotland's BAME communities' assurance and asked for action on no recourse to public funds policies and lowering sick pay thresholds.

    Minister reply

    Kemi Badenoch noted different results from Public Health England's report and mentioned extensive actions taken by the UK government, such as protections against evictions, mortgage holidays, and support measures. She also clarified access to statutory sick pay for individuals with no recourse to public funds.

  • Richard Fuller Con North Bedfordshire

    Question

    Sensitivity to disproportionate risk is greater when the leadership of institutions includes representation of those most at risk. That is an issue for corporations such as Transport for London and Govia Thameslink Railway, where there has been a lack of BAME representation in leadership roles. Will my hon. Friend look into how the Government can promote diversity in the leadership of our leading institutions?

    Minister reply

    I thank my hon. Friend for that question, which makes an important point. We do want to see diversity in leadership across institutions in this country, and I will be looking into it as Equalities Minister. Professor Kevin Fenton has been asked to lead on the review.

  • Rachael Maskell Lab Co-op York Central

    Question

    In 2010, Professor Marmot published a report highlighting structural inequalities predisposing the poorest to worse health outcomes. A decade later, these inequalities have grown. The PHE report has now highlighted fatal consequences of this inequality. Even today, low-paid workers are exposed to the greatest infection risks. Will the Minister pause the easement plan until a full mitigation plan is in place to address these inequalities?

    Minister reply

    It is important to reiterate that any easing of restrictions is being made in conjunction with scientists and experts. Employers must make risk assessments for their staff so they are not unduly exposed to the virus.

  • Question

    As a former employer, I am acutely aware of my impact on employee welfare. Will my hon. Friend say how important it is to engage with employers in her work?

    Minister reply

    Engaging employers as well as employees will be essential. Professor Kevin Fenton has already undertaken extensive stakeholder engagement, and this approach will continue.

  • Fleur Anderson Lab Putney

    Question

    The Spanish flu epidemic led to huge social reforms. The report points to the need for similar action today. Almost three quarters of health and social care staff who have died due to covid-19 are from black and ethnic minorities. Why does the review fail to mention occupational discrimination faced by BME healthcare staff, which has been highlighted by the British Medical Association and the Royal College of Nursing?

    Minister reply

    This is not the end of the process; it is the beginning. We will continue to look at other factors such as age, sex, geography and deprivation in future work.

  • Helen Hayes Lab Dulwich and West Norwood

    Question

    Belly Mujinga died tragically from coronavirus after being spat at while at work. She was at increased risk due to her ethnicity and underlying health conditions. Thousands of BAME frontline workers recognise the risks that Belly faced as similar to their own. When will the Government instruct employers to put in place comprehensive protections for all BAME staff and other vulnerable workers?

    Minister reply

    I am extremely saddened by what I have read about Ms Mujinga’s death. The British Transport police are not taking further action because they are confident that the incident at Victoria station did not lead to her contracting covid. However, we will continue to ensure employers risk-assess their employees before putting them out to work.

  • Question

    The report identified age as the greatest disparity. Can the Minister assure me that she is conscious of the sacrifices that older people are making and that she will do what she can to ensure that older people are treated equally?

    Minister reply

    People diagnosed who were 80 or older were 70 times more likely to die than those under 40. I agree with my hon. Friend and will be doing all I can.

  • Question

    No recourse to public funds is a racist policy that forces black people and BAME backgrounds out to work due to lack of choice. Will the Minister abolish it now?

    Minister reply

    It is wrong to conflate all black people with recent immigrants who have to pay a surcharge. We must not try to merge issues for traction in the press but instead calm down racial tensions.

  • Question

    This Public Health England analysis is based on incomplete data due to missing factors such as occupation and comorbidities. Why is this, given the undertakings from the Office for National Statistics two years ago regarding discrepancies in the way data was collected?

    Minister reply

    Public Health England did not have all the data it needed, including comorbidities, population density, public transport use, household composition and housing conditions. We will be looking at these factors in future stages.

  • Rupa Huq Lab Ealing Central and Acton

    Question

    The Black Lives Matter protest highlighted the issue that being black should not be a death sentence. Can we really look into our sons’ eyes and say we acknowledged it? Surely we need action, not just statements.

    Minister reply

    We cannot be seen to do box-ticking exercises but must address disparities and factors that can make outcomes worse for BAME individuals.

  • Question

    How will the Minister ensure that everybody is treated equally, regardless of ethnicity?

    Minister reply

    All parts of the Government must take care to pay due regard to the equalities impacts of policy decisions in line with the public sector equalities duty and our commitment to promoting equalities.

  • Jason McCartney Con Colne Valley

    Question

    The MP joins in condemning the murder of George Floyd and recognises the contributions made by BAME workers during the crisis. He asks for immediate actions the Minister is taking to address these disparities.

    Minister reply

    The Minister agrees on the importance of acknowledging contributions from diverse communities but emphasises that rushed decisions might be wrong steps. She commits to a proper programme and a comprehensive review considering various studies.

  • Dawn Butler Lab Brent East

    Question

    The MP questions the completeness of the Public Health England report, criticising the Government's handling of structural racism reports previously. She raises concerns about delays in addressing social injustices.

    Minister reply

    The Minister rejects the criticism and clarifies that a review was commissioned to analyse factors affecting health outcomes from COVID-19, separate from stakeholder engagement which is ongoing.

  • Flick Drummond Con Stroud

    Question

    The MP asks if the report has gone far enough in examining issues such as age and ethnicity, comorbidities, socioeconomic factors, and multi-generational living.

    Minister reply

    The Minister acknowledges that the report is a first step but not comprehensive. She commits to further examination.

  • Zarah Sultana Lab Coventry South

    Question

    The MP argues for justice and demands a race equality strategy covering all Whitehall Departments to address underlying inequalities highlighted by the pandemic.

    Minister reply

    The Minister states that the Government is committed to eliminating disparities caused by the disease, addressing impacts across age and gender groups.

  • Sara Britcliffe Con Hyndburn

    Question

    The MP asks for assurances regarding recording of COVID-related deaths based on ethnic data and steps to ensure positive health outcomes for BAME communities.

    Minister reply

    The Minister commits to ensuring consistency in the collection of data across different boards.

  • Christine Jardine Lib Dem Edinburgh West

    Question

    The MP questions if there are reasons why certain individuals and stakeholder groups should not be included in the report, demanding full unredacted evidence from those involved.

    Minister reply

    The Minister reiterates that a quantitative review was commissioned to focus on key drivers of disparities. She assures future inclusion of stakeholder engagement.

  • Liam Fox Con North Somerset

    Question

    The MP highlights significant gender disparity in COVID-19 deaths and asks for resources to understand the causes and tackle them.

    Minister reply

    The Minister agrees that understanding gender differences is crucial, noting potential factors such as behavioural and occupational risks and biological differences.

  • Ben Lake PC Ceredigion Preseli

    Question

    The MP raises concerns about racial disparities in prison populations where BAME communities are disproportionately represented.

    Minister reply

    The Minister acknowledges the concern and offers to provide more information on Welsh prisons after further discussion with officials.

  • Felicity Buchan Con North West Norfolk

    Question

    The MP discusses the concept of levelling up beyond north-south divides, focusing on inequalities within urban areas.

    Minister reply

    The Minister affirms the Government's commitment to levelling up across regions and nations, including addressing challenges posed by COVID-19.

  • Kevin Brennan Lab Cardiff West

    Question

    The MP points out overt pregnancy discrimination for self-employed women under the Chancellor’s support scheme.

    Minister reply

    The Minister acknowledges the complexity of HMRC data collection and suggests alternative schemes to help impacted individuals.

  • Nicola Richards Con Macclesfield

    Question

    The MP asks for further investigation into factors like underlying health conditions and employment types that affect disproportionate effects on BAME communities.

    Minister reply

    The Minister commits to looking into those factors.

  • Scott Benton Lab Blackpool South

    Question

    In Blackpool, the life expectancy for the poorest is 20 years below the national average. The PHE report indicates that deprived communities have been disproportionately affected by covid-19, supported by a high local infection rate. Does my hon. Friend agree it's imperative to reduce health inequalities between rich and poor?

    Minister reply

    Yes, we will closely examine the health inequalities aspects of the report as part of ongoing work.

  • Chris Bryant Lab Rhondda and Ogmore

    Question

    The Rhondda has one of the highest death rates per 100,000 people in the country. Being poor means an early death by some 20 years compared to richer parts due to low wages, unsafe labour conditions, meagre benefits and reliance on food banks. Surely we must learn from coronavirus that key workers should be paid properly.

    Minister reply

    We agree with the hon. Gentleman's point and are putting forward policies to address these issues in both short-term and long-term contexts.

  • Nusrat Ghani Con Sussex Weald

    Question

    Lack of leadership and transparency at PHE and NHS England has exposed barriers for BAME health workers, including death rates and unequal access to personal protective equipment. How will the Government hold these institutions accountable?

    Minister reply

    We are addressing these concerns sensitively without undermining frontline workers' efforts.

  • Stephen Timms Lab East Ham

    Question

    Does the Minister agree there are additional barriers for BAME communities to access key services, and will she press her colleagues to suspend the ‘no recourse to public funds’ restriction during this crisis?

    Minister reply

    We understand difficulties faced by failed asylum seekers and continue providing free accommodation to those who would otherwise be destitute.

  • Question

    The Race Disparity Unit supports Departments in driving change where disparities are found. Will the Minister ensure the unit is dedicated to understanding how to close the gap in respect of coronavirus?

    Minister reply

    Yes, we need to look at a range of areas and Members should write to us if there are specific issues they want us to address.

  • Question

    'No recourse to public funds’ reinforces structural inequalities that the Black Lives Matter campaign is trying to call out, leaving constituents destitute. Will the Government review this situation and allow people to get the support they need?

    Minister reply

    We do not conflate black people with those who do not have any recourse to public funds.

  • Question

    Many BAME people in Bolsover constituency are proud of their contribution to the health service and care system. Does the Minister agree they have made a fantastic contribution?

    Minister reply

    Absolutely, we welcome their contributions as key workers.

  • Question

    People look to this House to set an example on hand-washing and social distancing. Will Members in the House set an example for BAME communities?

    Minister reply

    Members must demonstrate that they agree with guidance and follow rules.

  • Maria Eagle Lab Liverpool Garston

    Question

    Research shows diagnosis rates are higher in deprived, densely populated urban areas. Does the Minister accept that we must research disparities to address them effectively and allocate resources accordingly?

    Minister reply

    We distribute funds in various ways and continue looking at issues raised by mayors of combined authorities.

  • Question

    The report mentions correlations between the virus and other conditions, such as diabetes. Does the Minister agree these links with co-morbidities need thorough study?

    Minister reply

    Yes, we are looking at various reports to ensure evidence-led decisions.

  • Wendy Chamberlain Lib Dem North East Fife

    Question

    Given the lack of recommendations in the report, will the Minister commit to establishing a post-covid-19 equality strategy to tackle health inequalities?

    Minister reply

    We are planning and looking into this work but refute accusations that the Government delayed publishing the report.

  • Question

    Health inequalities related to historical work conditions, such as silicosis and chronic bronchitis among former miners. Should these inequalities be looked at in context of the outbreak?

    Minister reply

    Yes, we will consider a range of issues and are evidence-led.

  • Tan Dhesi Lab Slough

    Question

    Three quarters of healthcare staff battling this virus who died were BAME. Can the Minister explain why the PHE review failed to mention occupational discrimination faced by BAME healthcare staff, identified by both the British Medical Association and the Royal College of Nursing?

    Minister reply

    Data from different institutions is being looked at; we aim to get information out to explain gaps.

  • Mark Harper Con Fittleworth

    Question

    May I draw to my hon. Friend’s attention the information published this week by the Care Quality Commission on 2 June, which highlighted the much higher death rate among people with learning disabilities, both from covid and non-covid causes? There was a 134% increase over the past year. I ask her to talk to her Health and Social Care Department colleagues about what that implies for access to testing for working age people in the care sector.

    Minister reply

    I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for that question. He raises an interesting point. We are aware that some of the risk factors associated with poorer outcomes are more prevalent in certain groups of the population, and that does include people with learning disabilities, so he is right to raise that, and I will speak to my colleagues in the Department of Health and Social Care on that issue again.

  • Andrew Griffith Con Arundel and South Downs

    Question

    All lives matter. They matter now and they mattered in March and April, when many of my constituents could not get a test when they needed one. Will the Minister talk to her colleagues about changing the attitude of Public Health England towards working with the private sector to mobilise testing capacity?

    Minister reply

    My hon. Friend is absolutely right. We need all hands on deck on this issue, and we definitely do not want silo working where people believe that only the public sector will be able to help sort the issue. We want them to be working hand in hand with the private sector. For other key workers—in supermarkets, heavy goods vehicle drivers and so on—we have seen that the private sector has done a fantastic job in helping us weather this crisis, and I would like to see more of that happening within the health space.

  • Jo Gideon Lab Stoke-on-Trent North

    Question

    The report identifies death rates in the most deprived areas as being more than double those in the least deprived. Does the Minister agree that growing capacity in community development is essential in ensuring equality of opportunity and levelling up in cities such as Stoke-on-Trent?

    Minister reply

    Yes, I do agree with my hon. Friend. I do not think there is anything further to add. Levelling up is a priority for the Government, and I look forward to working with her on those issues.

  • Mary Foy Lab City of Durham

    Question

    In February of this year, Professor Marmot published his review of health inequalities a decade after his original report. He made several recommendations, the first being for the creation of a cross-government, cross-party strategy led by the Prime Minister to address those health inequalities. Given that covid-19 has shown how far we are from achieving a fair and equal country, will the Minister say whether the Government will incorporate that recommendation as a key part of the recovery from coronavirus?

    Minister reply

    I am afraid I am not sure I have seen the specific report that the hon. Lady is referring to, but if she writes to me, I can give a much more comprehensive response than at the Dispatch Box. Without seeing the recommendation she is referring to, I am not sure I can fully comment, but I look forward to seeing that letter, and hopefully it will have things that we can include in there.

Shadow Comment

Gill Furniss

The shadow Minister criticised Public Health England's review for failing to make recommendations on reducing inequalities, protecting front-line workers, or saving lives. She urged the Government to take action on structural racism impacting the outcomes of COVID-19 and called for a plan to address socioeconomic inequalities facing BAME communities. Gill Furniss also demanded that employers risk assess their BAME workforce.

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