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Support for Pensioners
12 February 2025
Lead MP
Blake Stephenson
Mid Bedfordshire
Con
Responding Minister
Torsten Bell
Tags
NHSEconomy
Word Count: 14258
Other Contributors: 13
At a Glance
Blake Stephenson raised concerns about support for pensioners in Westminster Hall. A government minister responded.
Key Requests to Government:
The Government needs to ensure that pensioners receive the support they need, including restoring the cuts to winter fuel payments and maintaining the triple lock for pensions.
How the Debate Unfolded
MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said:
Lead Contributor
Pensioners represent over 10 million people and the cuts to support, such as winter fuel payments, have left many struggling. An estimated 9.2 million pensioners lost their winter fuel payment this winter, leading to difficulties in choosing between heating and eating.
Clive Jones
LD
Wokingham
Declared interest as a governor of the Royal Berkshire hospital. Stressed pensioners are vulnerable and have been mistreated by both Labour and Conservative Governments, noting the withdrawal of winter fuel payment under this Government and previous failures like the triple lock betrayal.
Harriett Baldwin
Con
West Worcestershire
A constituent in West Worcestershire on an income of £13,500 lost his winter fuel allowance and is living in only one heated room. The hon. Member for West Worcestershire mentioned the impact of increased national insurance contributions on third-sector organisations, citing an example where Marie Curie cancer care is losing several million pounds annually. Requested interventions from the Minister, but was not given the floor.
Gregory Stafford
Con
Farnham and Bordon
Responded briefly to the MP's rhetorical question, denying the unfairness claim. Stafford criticized the lack of Labour presence in the debate and expressed disappointment with the removal of the winter fuel payment, calling for a credible defence from the Government.
Epsom and Ewell
Asked if she could intervene, but was reminded by the Chair that interventions should be made from the start of the debate.
Jim Shannon
DUP
Strangford
Disappointed no Labour Back Benchers are present, noting that Government Members withdrew winter fuel allowances from pensioners. Mentioned high poverty among older people and the impact of oil prices in Northern Ireland. Suggested a campaign to inform pensioners about their benefits entitlement, including attendance allowance.
Joe Robertson
Con
Isle of Wight East
Concerned about dementia care and the removal of targets for diagnosing dementia by NHS England.
John Lamont
Con
Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk
Points out the absence of Labour Back Benchers to defend the Government’s record on pensioner support despite campaign promises. Highlighted the role of the voluntary sector in supporting pensioners due to government shortcomings. Mentioned local initiatives such as warm-ups and dementia cafés.
Rebecca Smith
Con
South West Devon
Acknowledged the debate's focus on Government support for pensioners, highlighted the lack of notice given about changes to winter fuel payments and their impact on health and social care systems. Discussed the importance of getting pensioners into work and increasing awareness about pension credit uptake. Highlighted disparities in household support fund distribution across regions. Asked the Minister about the reduction in absolute poverty for pensioners since 2010.
Robbie Moore
Con
Keighley and Ilkley
Raises concerns about broken promises regarding council tax increases and winter fuel allowance cuts impacting pensioners.
Seamus Logan
SNP
Aberdeenshire North and Moray East
Critiques Labour MPs for voting against winter fuel payment support, highlighting confusion over trade-offs between revenue from cuts and pension credit uptake. The hon. Member for Glasgow South agreed with the concern about terminally ill pensioners and highlighted that Chest Heart & Stroke Scotland might lose £250,000 due to employer national insurance changes. Agreed with concerns about food bank usage growth as a source of shame for the country, highlighting detrimental coping mechanisms like skipping meals due to energy costs.
Steve Barclay
Con
North East Cambridgeshire
Discussed the chief medical officer's report on cold homes driving hospital admissions, noting that social care reform is delayed despite election promises. Highlighted hypocrisy in addressing urgent and emergency care pressures. Barclay highlighted the speed and targeting issues of the policy, criticizing the Government's choice to fund other priorities while pensioners faced hardships. Asked how many people would need to take up pension credit to offset the fiscal benefits of removing winter fuel payments.
Discussed lessons from the last decade and a half regarding pensioner poverty, acknowledged community groups' importance, and addressed opposition to winter fuel payments targeting lower-income pensioners. Acknowledged the importance of attendance allowance and mentioned the Government's commitment to increasing pension credit take-up. Highlighted ongoing reforms in the pensions landscape, including the upcoming pension schemes Bill.
Wendy Morton
Con
Aldridge-Brownhills
Highlights the unfairness and lack of certainty in recent policy decisions regarding pensioners’ financial support. Comments that the Government is not listening to concerns raised by constituents. The hon. Member for Aldridge-Brownhills highlighted the immediate impact of cutting winter fuel payments on pensioners, noting that £300 can be crucial to heating and eating for those with fixed or low incomes. Asked if removing winter fuel allowance removes incentive for working people to save and do well. Questioned the effectiveness of the pension credit form simplification efforts and highlighted potential issues for those unable or too proud to apply for pension credit.
Government Response
Torsten Bell
The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Work and Pensions
Government Response
Responded to challenges posed by the cost of living crisis, acknowledged concerns about winter fuel allowance changes, discussed current Government support measures for pensioners, and outlined future priorities including lessons from past policies. Addressed opposition to winter fuel payments targeting lower-income pensioners, announced the largest ever pension credit take-up campaign, mentioned simplification of the pension credit form, and promised updates on the impact of the campaign. Emphasized commitments to maintain the triple lock on state pensions. Discussed the Government's commitment to increasing pension credit take-up and acknowledged ongoing reforms in the pensions landscape. Mentioned the upcoming pension schemes Bill and highlighted the £22 billion investment in the English NHS.
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