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Fire Services: North-east England
23 November 2022
Lead MP
Sharon Hodgson
Washington and Gateshead South
Lab
Responding Minister
Sarah Dines
Tags
Employment
Word Count: 9150
Other Contributors: 11
At a Glance
Sharon Hodgson raised concerns about fire services: north-east england in Westminster Hall. A government minister responded.
Key Requests to Government:
Ms Hodgson calls on the Government to revise the fire funding formula to include deprivation as a risk factor, ensuring fairer distribution of funds. She urges the Home Office to address the pay dispute between firefighters and employers without resorting to industrial action or additional costs for local services.
How the Debate Unfolded
MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said:
Lead Contributor
Ms Hodgson is concerned about the significant cuts to fire services in North East England over the past decade, impacting staffing levels and budgets. She cited specific examples from Tyne and Wear Fire and Rescue Service: in 2010, there were 880 full-time firefighters and £59.4 million budget, which dropped to 624 firefighters and a £54.8 million budget by 2022. Additionally, she highlighted the strain on services due to recent heatwaves and potential for future crises without adequate funding. She also mentioned issues with arson attacks in schools and communities.
Alex Cunningham
Lab
Stockton North
Asked Liz Twist if she agreed that risk should be examined as an important factor in determining funding for Cleveland Fire Brigade, given Teesside's high fire risk compared to the formula used for income determination. Mr Cunningham highlighted issues with fire funding in Cleveland, stating it is the worst funded area. He emphasized that the current formula does not consider deprivation adequately. In an intervention, Alex Cunningham points out that there were 494 full-time firefighters in Cleveland Fire Authority in 2010 but only 330 now, a reduction of 33%. He agrees with Grahame Morris's sentiment and calls on the Minister to make changes. He pointed out that the Cleveland fire and rescue service faces an inflationary pressure of £145 million, with no room for further cuts, leading to a risk either way: public safety or financial collapse of the authority.
Grahame Morris
Lab
Easington
Grahame Morris congratulates the MP for Washington and Sunderland West on securing the debate. He criticises the Government's rhetoric of a northern powerhouse or levelling up, stating that it is accompanied by higher taxes and cuts to services in the north-east. Morris highlights that County Durham and Darlington Fire and Rescue Service has lost £10 million in funding over 12 years when adjusted for inflation. He suggests replacing council tax with a proportional property tax based on wealth and ability to pay.
Ian Lavery
Lab
Blyth and Ashington
Morale among fire service workers is low due to cuts of up to 30% since 2010, station closures, and the loss of 11,500 frontline firefighters. Wages are £4,000 lower in real terms than over a decade ago, with an offered pay increase of 5% being described as insulting given current inflation rates.
Jill Mortimer
Lab
Hartlepool
Cleveland Fire Authority faces challenges with high hazard areas, including an industrial cluster, numerous power stations, and severe deprivation leading to a tenfold increase in deliberate property fires compared to the national average. Despite this, firefighters maintain a seven-minute response time despite a 33% reduction in full-time firefighters due to disproportionate funding.
Kevan Jones
Lab
North Durham
County Durham Fire and Rescue Service is highly efficient but faces financial strain due to reduced central government grants. A 1% increase in council tax would not raise enough funds given the high proportion of band A properties, making a 5% increase unfair and insufficient to solve the funding gap. The Government took the deliberate decision to cut central government funding for fire services and push responsibility on to local taxpayers, affecting council tax and fire services since 2010.
Liz Twist
Lab
Blaydon and Consett
Commended the firefighters working at Tyne and Wear Fire and Rescue Service, highlighting two major fires in her constituency: one at Shee Recycling in Birtley with environmental hazards, and another summer fire. Mentioned budget reductions leading to the loss of a pump in Swalwell and proposed cuts to night cover in Birtley.
Mary Foy
Lab
City of Durham
Discussed the impact of cost-of-living crisis on firefighters' salaries and financial pressures faced by the fire service in her constituency, advocating for a 5% funded pay rise to prevent budget deficits. Highlighted national cuts to funding and staff since 2010, leading to fewer firefighters and slower response times.
Matt Vickers
Con
Stockton West
Paid tribute to Cleveland Fire Brigade for their commitment and bravery, highlighting the financial challenges faced by the brigade due to low council tax base and unique pressures such as arson, heavy industry risks, and chemical sector hazards. Called for a meeting with the Minister to address funding issues.
Paul Howell
Con
Sedgefield
The son of a former County Durham senior fire officer, Paul Howell acknowledges the hard work of the County Durham and Darlington Fire and Rescue Service. He highlights that the service is facing financial pressures due to inflation and staff demands, with a potential budget deficit next year. Arson, particularly vehicle arson, places heavy demand on his local area in Sedgefield. Howell suggests increasing funding by 3% or finding ways to alleviate cost pressure through changes in capital expenditure.
Peter Gibson
Con
Darlington
The County Durham and Darlington Fire and Rescue Service is recognised nationally for its high performance but faces serious funding challenges, with two thirds of its budget coming from local council tax. A 1% increase in council tax would raise only £190,000, insufficient to cover rising costs such as pay awards and inflation.
Sarah Jones
Lab
Croydon West
She highlighted the impact of arson in communities and the need for fairer funding. She mentioned a rise in fire service call-outs and fires, and criticised the Government's failure to implement recommendations from the Grenfell inquiry. She also pointed out that firefighters are facing real terms pay cuts and that over 11,000 firefighters have been lost since 2010. She praised the work to send fire services and support to Ukraine but highlighted that some equipment was too old to be sent there.
Government Response
Sarah Dines
Government Response
Responded to various concerns raised in the debate, acknowledging additional capacity and funding for protection teams with £50 million since 2019-20. Noted that firefighters deserve a decent pay system, but under current arrangements, negotiations are handled by the National Joint Council. Mentioned changes being looked at for the fire funding formula and highlighted an increase in core funding of 6.2% for standalone fire and rescue authorities. Reiterated the importance of working together to address issues like arson and criminality.
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