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Apprenticeships and Teacher Training
19 October 2022
Lead MP
Richard Holden
Basildon and Billericay
Con
Responding Minister
Jonathan Gullis
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EducationEmploymentChildren & Families
Word Count: 9980
Other Contributors: 7
At a Glance
Richard Holden raised concerns about apprenticeships and teacher training in Westminster Hall. A government minister responded.
Key Requests to Government:
The MP calls on the government to create an undergraduate apprenticeship route into teaching. He suggests that this would help address staffing shortages, benefit disadvantaged young people, and improve perceptions of apprenticeships as a viable alternative to traditional university routes.
How the Debate Unfolded
MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said:
Lead Contributor
The speaker is concerned about the underutilisation of apprenticeships, especially in constituencies outside London. He highlights that young people often leave their communities to go to university and may end up back where they started after accumulating student loans. The traditional route for becoming a teacher excludes many who need to start earning immediately and limits progression paths for those with level 2 or 3 qualifications. This restricts access to the teaching profession, particularly in early years and primary education.
Anthony Mangnall
Con
Totnes
My hon. Friend is making an excellent speech that I wholeheartedly agree with. It is deeply disappointing not to see a single Member of the Labour party, other than the shadow Minister, or of the Lib Dems in the Chamber. My hon. Friend is talking about the aspirational element of what apprenticeships can offer. Does he agree that it is essential that we ensure that local places of education are linked up with local businesses so that we can offer, present and platform those opportunities? I apologise for having two bites of the cherry, but just two weeks ago I held my own careers fair at a local further education college—South Devon College—in my constituency of Totnes and south Devon. It was a fantastic example of how to join up local apprenticeships and local businesses and explore the opportunities in the area. Will my hon. Friend come down and see what we are doing in the south-west—a sometimes overlooked area—so that, across the whole country, we might join up this idea of linking up apprenticeships, colleges and businesses?
Ben Bradley
Con
Mansfield
Mr Bradley highlighted the importance of diversity in teaching and called for more flexible entry routes into education, such as through apprenticeships and on-the-job training. He pointed out that limiting qualifications to degrees reduces workforce diversity and can hinder career development for individuals from disadvantaged backgrounds. Additionally, he stressed the need for male role models in primary education due to a significant gender imbalance in schools across the east Midlands. Discussed the challenges faced by teachers in disadvantaged communities, suggesting that teachers often act as social workers. He proposed that individuals from care and early years settings might be well-suited for primary teaching roles.
Flick Drummond
Con
Welwyn Hatfield
Concerned about the number of ways to qualify as a teacher and whether they guarantee preparedness. Raised issues with the proposed level 5 associate teacher apprenticeship, suggesting it could undermine the distinction between different pathways. Cited statistics showing high early career teacher attrition rates: 12.5% leave within one year, 17% within two years, and after five years, a third have left.
Jim Shannon
DUP
Strangford
Jim Shannon highlighted the challenges of teaching in Northern Ireland, noting a significant increase in pupils with special needs and funding pressures. He cited statistics showing a rise in pupils accessing placements in special schools and those requiring educational support. Shannon emphasised the importance of classroom assistants and argued for increased funding to reduce class sizes and improve teacher conditions.
Tobias Ellwood
Con
Bournemouth East
Acknowledged the lead MP's point about difficulties in accessing information on apprenticeship opportunities. Emphasised the importance of apprenticeships for long-term growth and improved productivity, particularly in the education sector.
Peter Gibson
Con
Darlington
I can provide an example from personal experience in respect of the solicitor apprenticeship route. In my previous business, I recruited a young lady at the age of 18 who did not want to go to university. I am delighted to report that she is about to qualify as a solicitor, having gone through all the necessary steps. Highlighted concerns about the reduction in teacher training places in the north east, noting that 92% of teachers come from within the region. Mentioned Carmel College's loss of accreditation and its impact on local schools. Supported apprenticeships for non-teaching employees but noted limitations in funding for teacher training costs.
Toby Perkins
Lab
Chesterfield
The hon. Gentleman raises an innovative idea. Will he expand on it a little? Previously, when we were looking at maths teachers, people who had a maths degree would be seen as suitable to do the maths part but would have to go away to do a PGCE in order to learn the teaching part. How does he foresee that we would ensure that people who had not done a degree were capable of providing that technical knowledge? Emphasised the importance of apprenticeships for learners from deprived communities, expressed concern over the decrease in apprentice numbers and the expansion of higher-level apprenticeships by middle-class individuals. Highlighted issues with teacher retention and the workload pressures faced by teachers due to rising pupil numbers and social work demands. Asked the Minister whether there was insufficient demand from people wanting to study and pursue an apprenticeship route or from schools willing to take on apprentices.
Government Response
Jonathan Gullis
Government Response
Responded to concerns about apprenticeships leading to qualified teacher status by discussing the prohibitive costs and duration required. Noted the Department's willingness to listen to sector demands for new apprenticeship routes and is exploring a level 5 apprenticeship standard that could enhance training opportunities for existing teaching assistants. Emphasised support for bursaries worth up to £27,000 for teacher training in key subjects and mentioned a pledge to ensure a starting salary of over £30,000 by the next academic year.
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