Commons Sense

House of Commons · Westminster Hall

Use of Drones in Defence

03 September 2025 · 13 other contributors · 14,628 words

Opened by Peter Fortune Con Bromley and Biggin Hill

Responding minister: Al Carns

Summarised by AI from the official record, so it can contain mistakes.

At a glance

Peter Fortune raised concerns about use of drones in defence in Westminster Hall. A government minister responded.

Key points

  • UK drones are transforming modern warfare, causing up to 80% of casualties in conflicts like Ukraine.
  • The government is urged to support private enterprises for innovation and scaling of drone technologies.
  • Investment in an integrated targeting web of 1 billion is mentioned to enhance national security.

Key requests to Government

The UK must develop an ecosystem of private enterprises that can innovate, test and build drone models at scale, help commercial drone enterprises thrive for military purposes, and start training our forces to utilise drones more effectively in modern warfare. Additionally, the country needs solutions to counter cheaply purchased drones with a grenade attached.

How the debate unfolded

MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said.

Opened the debate

Peter Fortune Con Bromley and Biggin Hill

Drones are not a new tool but their use is now revolutionising warfare. Up to 80% of Russian and Ukrainian casualties are due to drones, which have transformed combat on the frontline, making moving positions and supplies a deadly task. Drones threaten infantrymen, fortified positions and vehicles up to 9 miles from contact lines.

Other contributors (13)
  • Agreed with the need for high-low mix capabilities, combining sophisticated fifth generation capability with relatively low-end hardware. Noted false lessons from Ukraine's Black sea experience and discussed implications of data and AI in warfare. Discussed the integration of drones at various levels within the armed forces and mentioned a 20:40:40 capability mix for the British Army. Discussed the £1 billion investment in an integrated targeting web and highlighted the importance of software being interchangeable. Mentioned the establishment of the uncrewed centre of excellence by February, which will help develop skills and regulatory frameworks.

  • Apsana Begum Ind Poplar and Limehouse

    Asked whether drones should be used to kill children, and if UK-made drones exported to Israel before licences were suspended are being used against children in Gaza.

  • Agreed that the weak spots of tanks are probably underneath or to the rear, suggesting protection for tracks and mobility infrastructure to prevent immobilisation. The hon. Member expresses concerns about the control of AI-capable drones and the potential for them to switch targets, suggesting careful consideration is needed when employing drones. He also points out that the application of a two-stage warhead to an FPV drone will become an increasingly potent threat. Asked about redesigning military logistical supply to accommodate new drone systems. Asked about advancing civilian licences for autonomous maritime capability to enhance drone development more quickly.

  • Edward Morello Lab Bolton South East

    The hon. Member highlights the rapid change in drone technology and the deployment of artificial intelligence, suggesting that UK innovation in AI needs to be supported more in our technology sector and universities.

  • Gregory Campbell DUP East Londonderry

    Congratulates Mr Fortune on securing the debate and agrees that Ukraine's soldiers need more support against Russian drone attacks. Also expresses concern about the global threat of cheap drones and their impact.

  • Gregory Stafford Con Farnham and Bordon

    Supports Mr Fortune's call for innovation in drone warfare, mentioning that compartmentalised and bitty innovations within the armed forces need to expand into the private sector. Emphasises the importance of learning from military links with Ukraine.

  • Helen Maguire Con Epsom and Ewell

    Drones have transformed modern warfare, allowing for real-time battlefield intelligence without risking soldiers' lives. However, they face ethical concerns and technical vulnerabilities. Talked about the reality of warfare and how drones can be used to keep soldiers safe, especially with developing AI technologies.

  • James Cartlidge Con South Suffolk

    Emphasises the importance of people over technology, praising the rapid procurement and deployment for Ukraine. Highlights a shift towards embracing drone technology for UK's armed forces modernisation. Discussed the importance of uncrewed systems in naval warfare and mentioned a Ukrainian naval drone downing a Russian Su-30. Asked about the need for a C2 system and mentioned ACCS, which was not fit for purpose.

  • Jamie Stone LD Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross

    Discussed the potential of drones, using HMS Queen Elizabeth as an example. Highlighted the vulnerability of tanks to drone attacks and questioned whether we are at a 'Dreadnought moment' where we need to rethink how we design and deploy armour.

  • Jim Shannon DUP Strangford

    The MP highlighted the benefits and future potential of drones in defence, citing examples from popular culture and current technological advancements. He noted the UK's investment of £40 million in radio frequency-directed weapons research. Discussed the pace of change in modern warfare, comparing it to science fiction themes like 'Star Wars'.

  • Wendy Morton Con Aldridge-Brownhills

    The MP discussed the integrated procurement model and its challenges, highlighting a current procurement freeze and delays in drone acquisition.

  • Peter Fortune Con Bromley and Chislehurst

    Through conflicts at the beginning of last century, we saw huge innovation and people learning not to fight the previous conflict. We must consider how we get ready for unknown future conflicts.

  • An unspecified speaker noted that only three drones have been ordered since the general election, expressing concern over this number.

Government Response

Al Carns

The Minister for Veterans and People

The Minister expresses passion for the issue due to his combat experience and highlights the importance of technological advancement in warfare, particularly noting the revolution in Ukraine. He emphasizes the need for uncrewed systems to enhance national security and supports faster adoption of technologies like drones. Discussed the need for integration and a C2 system, highlighting the importance of software interoperability. Mentioned the £1 billion investment in an integrated targeting web and the establishment of an uncrewed centre of excellence by February to develop skills and regulatory frameworks. Emphasised the immediate and decisive response to evolving drone warfare capabilities.

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