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Conversion Practices
06 December 2023
Lead MP
Christian Wakeford
Bury South
Lab
Responding Minister
Not recorded
Tags
NHSWomen & EqualitiesMental Health
Word Count: 12932
Other Contributors: 10
At a Glance
Christian Wakeford raised concerns about conversion practices in Westminster Hall. Response awaited from government.
Key Requests to Government:
The Member urged the Government to ban all forms of conversion therapy without any loopholes, ensuring no one can consent to such abuse. He called for a meaningful prohibition on this practice to protect vulnerable individuals from being preyed upon by religious zealots and hateful bigots. The MP asks the Minister to clarify whether there is a draft conversion therapy Bill ready but waiting for sign-off by the Prime Minister. She also seeks confirmation on when pre-legislative scrutiny of the future bill will begin and if it can be conducted meaningfully before the general election.
How the Debate Unfolded
MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said:
Lead Contributor
The Member expressed concern about the harmful impact of conversion therapy on individuals like Sienna and Ben, who experienced physical and emotional abuse during their youth. These experiences led to long-term mental health issues and a struggle with identity. The MP highlighted that conversion therapy is ineffective and often leads to severe psychological damage or even death. The MP is concerned about the delay in legislative action to ban conversion practices, which has persisted for over five years. She highlighted that despite multiple promises and policy shifts, no draft Bill has been introduced yet. The MP also noted the lack of psychological provision for children and young people, impacting those in gender services, an issue that did not receive adequate attention from the Government.
Florence Eshalomi
Lab Co-op
Vauxhall and Camberwell Green
I thank my hon. Friend for making such an important point, noting that religious individuals recognise the abhorrent nature of conversion practices. Ms Eshalomi emphasised the importance of religious support for LGBT individuals, stating that conversion practices have caused significant harm. She cited a study indicating that those who underwent conversion therapy were twice as likely to experience suicidal thoughts, with figures from the 2017 national LGBT survey showing one in 50 people attempted suicide after such treatment, rising to one in seven among trans respondents. She criticised the Government's delay in implementing a ban and called for immediate action. Responding to Joanna Cherry's point about life being complicated for those who are exploring issues of gender identity, Florence Eshalomi emphasized the additional challenges faced by black and minority ethnic people in coming out due to stigma and fear. She argued that conversion practices exacerbate these difficulties. I acknowledged the Minister's care about the issue and his personal experience, while also highlighting that many in the faith community welcome everyone. I discussed working with schools to protect children from parents who do not have their best interests at heart.
Gregory Campbell
DUP
East Londonderry
Asked if a proposed ban would impinge on people in faith settings wishing to talk about sexual matters without feeling restricted by the radical agenda of some activists.
Ian Paisley Jnr
UUP
North Antrim
The hon. Member raises deep points about bad parenting and questions whether parents should have a say in matters concerning puberty blockers and other related issues, suggesting the Labour party's stance on these matters. Inquired about whether parents should be excluded from knowledge regarding drugs their children are taking and the need for a lower threshold for drug distribution. Asked for clarity on the Opposition's policy regarding puberty blockers, including whether there would be a lower age limit and if parental consent would be required.
Jim Shannon
DUP
Strangford
Jim Shannon expressed concern that a ban on conversion therapy could have unintended consequences, particularly affecting children and youth's religious groups and parents' rights to make medical decisions for their children. He emphasized the importance of respecting diverse beliefs and ensuring policies do not infringe upon parental responsibilities.
Joanna Cherry
SNP
Edinburgh South West
I am concerned about the potential threat to professionals working with children and vulnerable people who are exploring issues of gender identity. About 74% of teenagers referred to the Tavistock Centre's GIDS clinic are girls, predominantly attracted to other girls or both sexes, suggesting many may be lesbian or bisexual. There has been an increase in regret among young women who have undergone medical treatments and de-transitioned later. I argue that young people should not be pressured into irreversible decisions without exploring the reasons behind their gender dysphoria. Expressed concern over statistics showing that most young girls referred to the gender identity clinic at Tavistock are same-sex attracted, questioning whether this represents a type of modern conversion therapy. I questioned what exactly would be in scope for a conversion therapy ban and asked if affirmation-only models accelerating young people onto irreversible pathways would be banned. I also enquired about the timing of setting out these details to address concerns, and whether teachers could keep secrets from parents. I inquired whether the Minister had read the interim report of the Cass review and if he agreed with waiting for the final report before framing legislation.
John Hayes
Con
South Holland and The Deepings
Men and women are characterised by unique particularities, preferences, and preoccupations. Change is a constant in life, with some changes being permanent while others are temporary. Exploring desire is a journey that can be navigated with guidance and advice. Prohibiting such guidance could lead to the prohibition of consensual conversations, which should not happen. The freedom to speak and converse freely must be protected. I expressed concern about young people going through gender dysphoria, noting an increase over time. I raised the issue of seeking counsel during confusion from family or friends or religious organizations without banning such support.
Keir Mather
Lab
Selby
Keir Mather intervened, agreeing with the need for urgency in banning conversion therapy to alleviate the suffering of young people who currently experience it as a form of living hell.
Kirsten Oswald
SNP
East Renfrewshire
Criticised the UK Government's delay in banning conversion practices, highlighting that the government has failed to act despite multiple commitments and consultations. Emphasised the harmful impact of such practices on mental health, including depression and suicidal thoughts. The MP pointed out the ongoing issues with the policy process towards developing a legislative ban on conversion practices, noting its chaotic and shambolic nature.
Neale Hanvey
SNP
Dumfries and Galloway
Legislation on conversion therapy could exacerbate the issue instead of mitigating it. The proposal rests on dangerous lies and is part of an assault on sex-based rights, affecting vulnerable children and young people who may be gender non-conforming or struggling with body dysmorphia. Asked about safeguards or principles that would prevent young gay people from being accelerated into gender services where they might experience harmful interventions.
Peter Gibson
Con
Darlington
I congratulate the hon. Member for Bury South on leading today's debate and thank supporters of banning conversion therapy abuse, including those who signed petitions in Darlington. I criticise the lack of progress despite numerous previous announcements and promises by Ministers to ban LGBT conversion therapy. Despite significant progress on LGBT rights, protection is lacking due to a lack of guidance for the police and Crown Prosecution Service regarding Offences Against the Person Act 1861. I asked whether the provisions in existing legislation such as the Offences against the Person Act 1861 are sufficient to tackle abusive practices used in conversion therapy and if the Government is providing guidance for Crown Prosecution Service and police based on current laws.
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