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Environment Bill - Sitting 9 (Afternoon)

03 November 2020

Proposing MP
North Wiltshire
Type
Public Bill Committee

At a Glance

Issue Summary

James Gray discusses the procedure for discussing amendments in a Public Bill Committee meeting. James Gray is discussing an amendment related to removing exceptions for armed forces and defense policy in the requirement to consider environmental principles. The statement addresses the inclusion of the Ministry of Defence and armed forces within the scope of the Environment Bill. Fleur Anderson is discussing Clause 18 of the Environment Bill, which exempts the Ministry of Defence (MOD) from compliance with environmental principles. The statement addresses the exemption of the armed forces from environmental policy considerations under the Environment Bill. James Gray is discussing the exemptions for armed forces and defence policy from the requirement to have due regard to environmental principles in the Environment Bill. MP James Gray is discussing the Environment Bill and its provisions regarding environmental principles. James Gray is proposing amendments to Clause 20 of the Environment Bill to enhance transparency and accountability in reporting on international environmental protection legislation. The statement discusses the definition of 'significant' in the context of reporting on international environmental protection legislation as part of the Environment Bill. James Gray is discussing amendments related to ensuring better compliance with the Aarhus Convention and requiring the Secretary of State to make oral statements about environmental protection reports. James Gray is questioning the full implementation of the Aarhus convention in UK law post-Brexit. The statement addresses the appointment process for the Office for Environmental Protection (OEP), focusing on the independence and accountability of its members. The statement addresses the issue of parliamentary oversight and scrutiny of appointments for the Office for Environmental Protection (OEP). The discussion revolves around the scrutiny process for appointing the chair of the Office for Environmental Protection, with MPs debating whether to include this process in legislation or leave it to Select Committee discretion. James Gray addresses Alan Whitehead's amendment regarding the directions given by the Secretary of State to the interim chief executive of the Office for Environmental Protection. MP James Gray is discussing amendment 154 which seeks to remove a sub-paragraph from the Environment Bill regarding the direction given by the Secretary of State to the interim chief executive of the Office for Environmental Protection (OEP). The statement addresses the proposal to appoint an interim chief executive for the Office of Environmental Protection (OEP) during its establishment period. Alan Whitehead addresses concerns about the Office for Environmental Protection (OEP) and proposes an amendment to require the Chair's approval for civil servants or other external persons as interim chief executive of the OEP. The statement discusses the appointment of an interim chief executive for the Office for Environmental Protection (OEP) to ensure its timely establishment. The statement addresses concerns about the independence of the Office for Environmental Protection (OEP) and the process for appointing an interim chief executive. The statement discusses the amendment to ensure that when the Office for Environmental Protection (OEP) acts in Scotland, it does so with the consent of Scottish Ministers and delegates functions to a designated environmental governance body. James Gray is addressing concerns and feedback from various organisations regarding the Environment Bill.

Action Requested

James Gray requests that members catch his eye while the mover of the amendment is speaking, allowing them to speak and for the Minister to reply to their points.

Key Facts

  • James Gray reminds the committee about the correct procedure for speaking during amendments.
  • He suggests standing up to catch the chair's attention while the amendment mover speaks.
  • Amendment 93 is proposed by James Gray.
  • The amendment targets Clause 18, page 11, line 19 of the Bill.
  • It seeks to remove exceptions for armed forces and defence policy from considering environmental principles.
  • The MP has submitted numerous parliamentary questions on the matter.
  • A letter from the Minister for Defence People and Veterans regarding Cape Wrath is overdue since February of that year.
  • Scientists for Global Responsibility estimate that 6% of global greenhouse gas emissions result from military-related activities.
  • Environmental assessments made by the MOD are not published.
  • The carbon footprint of UK military spending was approximately 11 million tonnes of CO2 in 2018.
  • £38 billion was spent on defence last year alone—more than 2% of GDP.
  • MOD manages 431,400 hectares of land within the UK used for training, accommodation and large bases.
  • MOD is responsible for some of Britain's most unspoilt and remote areas with statutory obligations to protect habitats and species.
  • The MOD controls approximately 431,000 hectares of land and has rights over an additional 207,400 hectares.
  • This land is the size of Essex plus half of Greater London.
  • The current legislation exempts the armed forces from environmental principles.
  • James Gray's amendment aims to remove exceptions for armed forces and defence policy from having due regard to environmental principles.
  • The amendment is defeated by a vote, with Ayes 6 and Noes 10.
  • The MOD owns or controls nearly 2% of the UK’s landmass.
  • More than a third (38%) of this area is designated as sites of special scientific interest.
  • Amendment 94 seeks to remove exceptions for tax, spending and resources from the requirement to have due regard to environmental principles.
  • The amendment aims to ensure that taxation decisions also consider environmental impacts.
  • Rebecca Pow explains that maintaining the exemption is crucial for sound economic and fiscal decision-making.
  • Amendment 195 requires consultation on criteria and thresholds for determining significance.
  • Amendment 196 mandates inclusion of an independent assessment and government's proposed response in the report.
  • Amendment 197 demands an oral statement to Parliament following the laying of the written report.
  • Amendment 195 seeks to define what is meant by “significant” in reporting on international environmental protection legislation.
  • The clause currently leaves it up to the Secretary of State's subjective judgment without any accompanying definition.
  • The Government proposes retaining flexibility and subjectivity to ensure the report covers a wide range of developments.
  • Amendments 195 to 197 are grouped together.
  • Amendment 197 would require the Secretary of State to make an oral statement about the report as soon as reasonably practicable following its laying before Parliament.
  • The amendments aim to improve transparency and accountability in environmental protection measures.
  • The UK ratified the Aarhus convention in 2005.
  • The UK remains a party to the convention independently of the EU.
  • Clause 20 requires the Government to review significant developments in international environmental protection legislation.
  • Amendment 179 would add the requirement that appointments must be with the consent of the Environmental Audit and Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committees.
  • Paragraph 2 of schedule 1 states the Secretary of State must consult the Chair before appointing other non-executive members.
  • The amendment aims to prevent a cascading lack of independence in the OEP if the chair is appointed without proper scrutiny.
  • The Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee and the Environmental Audit Committee will jointly carry out pre-appointment hearings with the Secretary of State’s preferred candidate for the OEP chair.
  • Ministers are accountable to Parliament for public appointments but retain the ability to make final determinations.
  • The OEP chair is classed as a significant appointment requiring a senior independent panel member on the advisory assessment panel.
  • The appointment of the first chair of the Office for Environmental Protection has undergone scrutiny by two Select Committees.
  • Select Committees pushed for and welcomed the opportunity to scrutinize potential chairs.
  • There is debate over whether this process should be enshrined in legislation or left as a parliamentary procedure.
  • Amendment 154 seeks to remove sub-paragraph (3).
  • The amendment targets directions given by the Secretary of State to the interim chief executive.
  • Paragraph 4(3) allows for an interim chief executive to act in accordance with any directions from the Secretary of State.
  • Amendment 154 seeks to remove sub-paragraph (3) of paragraph 4 in the Environment Bill.
  • The amendment challenges why a specific provision requiring an interim chief executive to act according to the Secretary of State's directions exists.
  • There is concern about centralising power with the Secretary of State regarding the OEP's operations.
  • The interim chief executive's role includes staff recruitment and administrative decisions.
  • The permanent chief executive will be in place by autumn 2021.
  • A team within Defra will receive and validate complaints against criteria for complaining to the OEP.
  • If a quorate board is not in place, the Secretary of State can direct the interim chief executive.
  • The amendment requires the Chair’s approval for civil servants or other external persons as interim chief executive.
  • Paragraph 4(4) of schedule 1 allows for an interim chief executive who could be a civil servant, undermining the independence intended for the OEP.
  • The current chair has the authority to act as a guardian of the OEP's independence once appointed.
  • The role of the interim chief executive is crucial for ensuring the Office for Environmental Protection (OEP) is up and running on time.
  • The Secretary of State has the power to appoint an interim chief executive if a quorate board is not in place soon enough to make necessary decisions.
  • Appointment delays could undermine the OEP's timely operation.
  • The OEP chair's appointment process is under way.
  • The interim chief executive role may be short-term but will have decision-making powers for setup purposes only.
  • The Secretary of State must legally regard protecting the OEP’s independence in making appointments as per paragraph 17 of schedule 1 to the Bill.
  • The environment in Scotland is largely a devolved matter.
  • Clause 40(2)(f) provides for information sharing between OEP and equivalent bodies in devolved Administrations.
  • Clause 24(4) places a duty on the OEP to consult its devolved equivalents on relevant matters.
  • The Law Society of Scotland provided feedback on the Environment Bill.
  • BBIA and REA submitted their concerns regarding the bill.
  • Aldersgate Group, Forest Peoples Programme, UKWIN among others have also provided input.
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