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Overseas Operations (Service Personnel and Veterans) Bill - Sitting 10

22 October 2020

Proposing MP
North Durham
Type
Public Bill Committee

At a Glance

Issue Summary

Kevan Jones discusses the duty to consider derogation from the European Convention on Human Rights in relation to overseas operations under the Overseas Operations Bill. Kevan Jones discusses the limitations and implications of derogations from the European Convention on Human Rights in relation to the Overseas Operations Bill. Kevan Jones is discussing concerns about clauses in the Overseas Operations Bill that relate to derogation from the Human Rights Act for military operations. Kevan Jones is questioning the clarity and potential future issues related to clause 15 of the Overseas Operations Bill. The statement discusses new clauses aimed at ensuring service personnel have access to legal advice, aid, and justice in various types of proceedings related to overseas operations. Kevan Jones is proposing a new clause that requires the Ministry of Defence to establish a duty of care standard for legal, pastoral, and mental health support for service personnel involved in investigations or litigation from overseas operations. The MP discusses issues related to military personnel's access to legal support and pastoral care during overseas operations. Kevan Jones is speaking about new clause 9 to ensure proper support for service personnel and veterans who face unique challenges due to their roles. Kevan Jones discusses the need for a representative body for armed forces members and improved access to justice, particularly in relation to investigations like IHAT. Kevan Jones discusses the complexities and challenges faced by service personnel in investigations and legal proceedings, particularly regarding mental health and disciplinary issues. Kevan Jones discusses issues related to military investigations and the mental health impacts on service personnel. Kevan Jones is addressing the issue of legal support and funding for military personnel and veterans involved in legal proceedings. The statement discusses the legal aid system for military personnel and veterans, addressing concerns about its adequacy compared to the national legal aid system. Kevan Jones is addressing concerns about the comparison between prisoner rights and veteran support under the Overseas Operations Bill.

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Jones emphasizes the importance of the Human Rights Act and highlights that derogations must be clear and justified, arguing against a blanket derogation approach. He also mentions specific articles of the convention, such as the right to life (Article 2), freedom from torture (Article 3), and freedom from slavery (Article 4).

Key Facts

  • The Human Rights Act 1998 covers all 47 states that have signed the European Convention on Human Rights.
  • Winston Churchill championed the creation of the convention in 1950, influenced by issues arising from World War II.
  • Article 2 of the convention relates to the right to life and is widely regarded as fundamental.
  • The Bill is removing veterans and armed forces personnel from section 33 of the Limitation Act 1980.
  • Article 2 protects the right to life, except in respect of deaths resulting from lawful acts of war.
  • Article 3 prohibits torture.
  • Article 4 prohibits slavery and forced labour.
  • Article 7 guarantees no punishment without law.
  • The last time the UK requested derogation was post-9/11 and during the troubles in Northern Ireland.
  • A case involving the detention of suspected terrorists under section 12 of the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act 1984 was challenged as a breach of convention obligations.
  • The Overseas Operations Bill includes provisions that require consideration of derogation from the ECHR for military operations.
  • The Bill does not actually implement derogations but requires future Governments to consider them.
  • There is a one-year limit on Human Rights Act cases, which Jones argues should be separated and covered by the six-year longstop under the Limitation Act 1980.
  • Kevan Jones seeks to understand how clause 15 of the Bill will apply.
  • He raises concerns about past cases related to Iraq and Afghanistan not being covered by the Bill.
  • The MP is asking for clarity on which cases will fall within the Bill's scope.
  • New Clause 3 aims to evaluate access to impartial and independent legal advice.
  • New Clause 4 focuses on evaluating access to legal aid in criminal proceedings.
  • New Clause 5 evaluates access to legal aid in civil proceedings.
  • New Clause 9 compares access to justice for service personnel with that of asylum seekers and prisoners.
  • The new clause requires establishing a duty of care standard for service personnel involved in investigations or litigation from overseas operations.
  • The Secretary of State must lay a copy of the standard before Parliament within six months after receiving Royal Assent.
  • Annual duty of care reports are to be prepared and laid before Parliament each year thereafter.
  • Major Bob Campbell's testimony highlights lack of support from MOD during investigations.
  • APIL representative argues that MOD needs to inform service personnel about their rights for civil claims.
  • Hilary Meredith discusses conflict of interest in legal services provided by Army.
  • Kevan Jones is speaking about new clause 9.
  • The Bill focuses on foreign combat but misses other areas where service members can be injured or affected.
  • Service personnel should be allowed to join trade unions and get independent legal redress like civilians.
  • Examples include Dutch armed forces with staff associations and US Marine Corps with strong representation.
  • Jones is not in favor of a trade union but supports a representative body.
  • The Service Complaints Ombudsman's annual report highlights progress but identifies ongoing issues.
  • IHAT investigation led to delays and lack of representation for accused personnel.
  • New clause 9 would compare access to justice for service personnel with asylum seekers and prisoners within 12 months of the Act coming into force.
  • The Armed Forces Act 2006 attempted to simplify the legal system but faces issues with time delays in disciplinary cases.
  • Kevan Jones corrected Chris Evans' figure for veterans in prison due to mental health reasons from 4% to 5% to 3%.
  • There is a misunderstanding that 25% of the prison population are veterans, which Kevan Jones describes as 'nonsense.'
  • Early service leavers are identified as a significant group facing social exclusion and homelessness.
  • Jones mentions the importance of rapid and effective investigations to relieve pressure on accused individuals.
  • The MP references new clauses he proposed that are missing from the Bill, suggesting judicial oversight after a certain period.
  • Jones notes that some recruits have low reading ages when joining the forces but highlights efforts by institutions like Darlington College at Catterick to improve literacy.
  • The MOD provides full public funding for legal support and pastoral support for service personnel and veterans involved in criminal allegations from their duty.
  • The legal aid scheme covers defendants and appellants in summary hearings, appeals against findings and sentences, and referrals to the Director of Service Prosecutions.
  • It also applies to civilians subject to service discipline at the time of an alleged incident.
  • The armed forces legal aid scheme is bespoke but based on the same principles as civilian criminal legal aid.
  • Support is available for service personnel and veterans in military justice system cases, not in civil proceedings against the MOD due to conflict of interest.
  • Law firms and the Royal British Legion may support cases with merit if they arise.
  • New clause 9 is described as a probing amendment.
  • Jones argues that prisoners will have more rights than veterans under the proposed legislation.
  • The statement is made during the Public Bill Committee discussion on the Overseas Operations (Service Personnel and Veterans) Bill.
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