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Overseas Operations (Service Personnel and Veterans) Bill - Sitting 5
14 October 2020
Type
Public Bill Committee
At a Glance
Issue Summary
MP Chris Evans moves an amendment to include unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) or remotely piloted aerial systems operated from the British Isles in support of overseas operations under the Overseas Operations Bill. The statement discusses the inclusion of drone operators in the Overseas Operations (Service Personnel and Veterans) Bill. The MP discusses the legal framework and ethical considerations surrounding the use of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) in military operations. The MP is discussing the Overseas Operations (Service Personnel and Veterans) Bill and addressing concerns about legal protections for UK-based drone operators involved in overseas operations. Graham Stringer (Labour) discusses amendments to the Overseas Operations Bill, specifically addressing changes to time limitations for legal proceedings against service personnel. Stephen Morgan is discussing amendments to the Overseas Operations (Service Personnel and Veterans) Bill, focusing on the five-year limit for prosecution of alleged offences committed by armed forces personnel overseas. The statement addresses concerns about the Overseas Operations Bill's inadequacy in protecting armed forces personnel from lengthy investigations. Graham Stringer is addressing the debate on new clauses in the Overseas Operations (Service Personnel and Veterans) Bill, specifically focusing on new clause 8 which deals with limitations on time for minor offences. The statement discusses the Overseas Operations Bill and proposes changes to the timeline for prosecution of service personnel involved in overseas operations. Graham Stringer discusses amendments to the Overseas Operations (Service Personnel and Veterans) Bill aimed at improving judicial oversight of investigations into alleged conduct during overseas operations. The statement discusses the Overseas Operations (Service Personnel and Veterans) Bill and debates around specific amendments. Graham Stringer is addressing procedural issues and misunderstandings regarding the debate and voting on amendments in the committee meeting. The statement discusses concerns about the Overseas Operations (Service Personnel and Veterans) Bill's omission of provisions related to investigations into misconduct. The statement discusses the Overseas Operations (Service Personnel and Veterans) Bill and its implications for military investigations. MP Martin Docherty questions whether the Bill addresses concerns raised by General Sir Nick Parker about balancing speedy and effective processes for handling allegations against service personnel with ensuring that those who have behaved badly are held accountable.
Action Requested
The MP requests that the Government consider including UAVs and RPAS in the Bill to ensure it is comprehensive and addresses future warfare scenarios where drones are increasingly used. The amendment aims to align the legal scrutiny with the growing reliance on unmanned systems in military operations.
Key Facts
- Amendment 23 calls for inclusion of UAVs or RPAS operated from British Isles in support of overseas operations.
- Since 2007, about 3,700 RAF drone missions have killed 1,000 terrorists in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria.
- The UK Government approved the drone acquisition programme at a cost of £816 million in 2016, with an additional estimated £325 million added earlier this year.
- Drone operators face a high risk of developing post-traumatic stress disorder.
- General Sir Mark Carleton-Smith envisions future combat as an integration of 'boots and bots'.
- The UK government is funding research into unmanned combat aircraft with France, aiming to replace Typhoon from 2030.
- Drone operators are often deployed year-round without breaks, exacerbating psychological stress.
- The use of UAVs is governed by a legal framework including rules of engagement.
- Ministers sign off on airstrikes with legal justification before they occur.
- Missions can be aborted at the last minute based on new information or changes in situational awareness.
- The principle is that part 1 should cover personnel who may come under attack or threat of attack in overseas operations.
- The UK-based drone pilots are considered part of an overseas operation but would not face personal risk of attack or violence.
- The amendment seeks to provide additional protection for these operators, which the MP argues is unnecessary based on the current circumstances.
- The amendments aim to change '5' year limits to '10' years in various clauses.
- Amendments include changes to clause 1, page 2, line 2; clause 1, page 2, line 4; clause 5, page 3, line 19; and clause 5, page 3, line 36.
- Stringer emphasizes the need for the Bill to address root causes of stress faced by armed forces personnel.
- The Bill proposes a five-year limit on prosecution of alleged offences committed overseas.
- Originally, the Government proposed a ten-year deadline for prosecutions.
- Countries like France and the US do not give military personnel special status in criminal law.
- In July 2020, the Defence Committee Chair sent a letter to the Secretary of State raising concerns about the Bill's five-year limit on prosecutions.
- The Labour party aims to stop vexatious claims against armed forces personnel but finds flaws in the Bill's approach.
- The Bill does not help cases like Major Bob Campbell's.
- Professor Richard Ekins testified that the Bill places no obstacle on continuing investigations.
- Dr Jonathan Morgan stated that Major Campbell’s case would not be addressed by the proposals.
- New clause 8 is about limiting the investigation period for minor offences.
- The debate should focus on new clause 8 and its three amendments, as per Stringer's ruling.
- Judge Blackett was not consulted during the drafting of this Bill.
- The proposal seeks to change the time at which the presumption comes into effect from five to 10 years.
- Public consultation showed support for a 10-year timeframe but also concern that it was too long.
- Five years is suggested as an alternative based on public feedback.
- Amendments 14, 2, and 56 aim to improve the investigative process.
- New clause 6 proposes setting a six-month deadline for preliminary findings by judge advocates.
- Judge advocates have powers to cease investigations based on lack of serious harm or insufficient evidence.
- The statement is part of a Public Bill Committee discussion on the Overseas Operations (Service Personnel and Veterans) Bill.
- Amendments 14, 2 and 56, as well as new clauses 6 and 7 were debated but not formally discussed beyond initial mention.
- Graham Stringer states that voting can proceed to amendment 26.
- The committee was debating amendments related to clause 1 of the Bill.
- There was a misunderstanding about whether amendments could be formally moved after initial debates.
- Graham Stringer will consult with the Clerk to clarify procedural issues.
- The statement refers to Major Campbell's experience of 17 years of investigations.
- General Nick Parker’s evidence is cited, emphasizing the importance of investigating misconduct promptly and efficiently.
- The Defence Secretary announced a review on October 13, 2020, to ensure proper handling of complex and serious allegations against UK forces overseas.
- The statement criticises the exclusion of key military figures like the Judge Advocate General from early stages of the Bill's development.
- Mr Stringer references the service justice system review and its recommendations which should have been incorporated into the current Bill.
- He mentions concern over political motivations behind pushing this legislation rather than addressing issues comprehensively in a future armed forces bill.
- General Sir Nick Parker stated nobody wants people who behave badly on the frontline to get away with it.
- He also noted that the process has to be quick, efficient and effective in removing suspicion of malicious allegations as quickly as possible.
- The MP agrees with the notion that the impression some try to give of armed forces wanting to be above the law is incorrect.
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