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Overseas Operations (Service Personnel and Veterans) Bill - Sitting 1
06 October 2020
Type
Public Bill Committee
At a Glance
Issue Summary
The minister is managing the proceedings of the Committee meeting and ensuring that witnesses can be heard clearly during the session. MPs discuss the Overseas Operations (Service Personnel and Veterans) Bill, focusing on the five-year rule and its implications for service personnel. The statement addresses concerns about the impact of investigations on service personnel and veterans, particularly regarding the six-year time limit for civil cases. The discussion revolves around the Overseas Operations (Service Personnel and Veterans) Bill and its potential impact on service personnel and veterans. The statement discusses the impact of potential legal investigations on the mental health of service personnel and veterans, and whether the proposed Overseas Operations Bill will help mitigate these issues. The statement discusses logistical challenges and the schedule for questioning witnesses during a parliamentary session. The statement discusses the concerns regarding the Overseas Operations Bill, focusing on issues related to criminal and civil proceedings against service personnel. The statement addresses concerns about the investigation processes and time limits proposed in part 2 of the Overseas Operations (Service Personnel and Veterans) Bill. The statement discusses issues surrounding the prosecution of armed forces personnel and veterans in civil and criminal cases involving human rights abuses. David Mundell, MP for Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale, is chairing a session with Major Bob Campbell regarding investigations involving military personnel. Major Campbell discusses challenges faced by veterans in obtaining information and seeking support during investigations. Major Campbell discusses the reception of the Overseas Operations Bill among veterans and addresses concerns about international criminal court involvement. David Mundell is concluding the session of the Committee on the Overseas Operations (Service Personnel and Veterans) Bill.
Action Requested
The minister proposes to start with Chris Evans asking questions and pauses if there are audio issues. The minister also reminds members to stick to the timings set in the programme motion and declares relevant interests if applicable.
Key Facts
- The Committee is hearing evidence from Douglas Young of the British Armed Forces Federation and Michael Sutcliff of the Armed Forces Support Group.
- Proceedings are scheduled until 10:30 am.
- Witnesses will introduce themselves for the record.
- The five-year rule is being debated as too short or too long.
- Some MPs suggest a cut-off period of 10 years to ensure proper investigation and recording.
- There are concerns about the fading of memories over longer periods, affecting case outcomes.
- Six-year time limit for civil cases against the MOD.
- Concerns that the absolute longstop may disadvantage armed forces personnel compared with civilians.
- Douglas Young suggests a robust administrative payment system operating during conflict or post-conflict periods.
- The Bill aims to address industrial levels of claims against service personnel.
- There are concerns about potential negative impacts on genuine claimants seeking compensation for legitimate grievances.
- Mental health issues among service personnel and veterans, including those related to combat operations, are highlighted.
- Investigations under IHAT have been criticized for excessive actions by non-police investigators.
- Some individuals barricaded themselves due to fear of investigations.
- The Bill does not directly affect how investigators approach potential witnesses or suspects.
- There is concern that the exemption for torture from time limits may be politically motivated.
- The session is scheduled until 11 am.
- Emma Lewell-Buck and Carol Monaghan are set to question Hilary Meredith.
- Stuart Anderson expressed a desire to participate in every question.
- Criminal and civil proceedings against service personnel are raised as concerns.
- Many criminal allegations arose out of civil compensation claims, indicating potential issues with the process.
- Hilary Meredith is critical of investigations being shambolic over a period of up to 17 years for the same incident.
- Robert Campbell faced 11 repeated investigations over 17 years for one incident.
- There were 4,000 vexatious criminal claims under IHAT with no prosecutions.
- Concerns raised about the six-year longstop in part 2 of the Bill.
- Suggestion to scrap the six-year longstop for criminal allegations.
- Proposal for an independent advocate system during investigations.
- Questioning MOD compensation payments made, amounting up to £145,000 in some cases, when there is no guilt involved.
- Emphasis on the need for a speedy trial under the Human Rights Act.
- The Human Rights Act cases were brought by Iraqi civilians against the Ministry of Defence.
- IHAT team investigated over 4,000 accusations of crime but there was not a single prosecution.
- Of the 4,000 accusations, only around five were worth investigation and insufficient evidence was found to prove any issues.
- Major Bob Campbell is a former Army officer giving evidence remotely.
- The MOD did not provide meaningful support to Major Campbell during eight investigations.
- In 2015, Major Campbell sought to defer his course at staff college due to pending allegations but received unhelpful advice from his colonel.
- Major Campbell faced multiple investigations without proper support from military chain of command.
- An officer at least of colonel rank should be set up to serve as a one-stop shop for soldiers under investigation.
- Major Campbell fully supports the Bill but has minor concerns regarding its legal aspects and the role of previous Attorneys General.
- Major Campbell conducted an unscientific survey among veterans in his orbit regarding the Bill.
- The Ministry of Defence (MOD) is blamed for repeated investigations into allegations against veterans.
- Major Campbell wrote to the International Criminal Court's chief prosecutor, Fatou Bensouda, about surrendering himself and others to avoid prolonged legal battles with the MOD.
- The Committee adjourned without further questions according to Standing Order No. 88.
- The next sitting of the Committee is scheduled for the same day at Two o'clock.
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