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Counter-Terrorism and Sentencing Bill

07 July 2020

Proposing MP
Tewkesbury
Type
Public Bill Committee

At a Glance

Issue Summary

Laurence Robertson is discussing amendments to Clause 37 of the Counter-Terrorism and Sentencing Bill regarding the standard of proof for imposing Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures (TPIMs). The debate centres around the Counter-Terrorism and Sentencing Bill, specifically addressing the amendment related to lowering the standard of proof for Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures (TPIMs). MP Laurence Robertson discusses concerns about the Counter-Terrorism and Sentencing Bill, specifically regarding the lowering of the standard of proof for TPIMs ( Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures). Laurence Robertson is discussing concerns about reducing the standard of proof for TPIMs (Temporary Prevention and Investigation Measures) in the Counter-Terrorism and Sentencing Bill. The statement addresses the Counter-Terrorism and Sentencing Bill, emphasizing its importance for protecting public safety. The discussion centres around clause 37 of the Counter-Terrorism and Sentencing Bill which seeks to lower the standard of proof for TPIM notices from 'beyond reasonable doubt' to 'reasonable grounds for suspecting'. The statement addresses concerns about the justification for lowering the burden of proof in terrorism prevention and investigation measures (TPIMs). Laurence Robertson is discussing the Counter-Terrorism and Sentencing Bill, specifically addressing testimonies related to TPIMs (Control Orders) and the standard of proof. Laurence Robertson is discussing the proposed amendments to TPIMs, specifically regarding the extension of time limits and judicial oversight. Laurence Robertson interrupts Conor McGinn's discussion on amendments to Temporary Prevention and Restriction Orders (TPIMs) in the Counter-Terrorism and Sentencing Bill. Laurence Robertson is discussing the Counter-Terrorism and Sentencing Bill, specifically addressing the issue of Temporary Prevention and Investigation Measures (TPIMs) and their renewal process. Laurence Robertson is discussing amendment 61 which aims to change the standard of proof for renewing a TPIM notice beyond two years. Laurence Robertson discusses the Counter-Terrorism and Sentencing Bill, specifically addressing the extension of Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures (TPIM) beyond two years. Chris Philp addresses concerns about TPIMs and their duration, emphasizing that current review mechanisms and exit strategies are already in place and validated. Laurence Robertson is proposing an amendment that would require a detailed report from the chief officer of the relevant police force on terrorism prevention and investigation measures (TPIMs) at the two-year mark, addressing current evidence and investigative steps. The amendment proposes a requirement for an assessment of suitability when individuals are required to reside together under TPIM measures. Laurence Robertson is proposing new clause 12 to require a counsellor's presence during polygraph sessions for individuals aged between 18 and 25. The statement discusses amendments to the TPIM Act 2011 and other related acts to strengthen counter-terrorism measures.

Action Requested

Robertson proposes changing 'suspecting' to 'believing' in TPIM provisions, raising the standard of proof from reasonable suspicion to a higher bar. He seeks clarification on why the Government wants to lower this standard when it has historically been raised.

Key Facts

  • The amendment would create a higher bar for the standard of proof under TPIM proposals.
  • In November 2019, just five TPIMs were in force.
  • No TPIM request has been rejected on grounds of insufficient evidence to date.
  • The Bill aims to address terrorism challenges while ensuring safety across communities.
  • Joanna Cherry highlights the Scottish National Party's commitment to constructive dialogue and assistance in anti-terrorism efforts.
  • She raises concerns about human rights protections without intending to divide the committee over amendment 58.
  • The current safeguard for TPIMs can only be imposed on the balance of probabilities.
  • Jonathan Hall QC, Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation, doubts the operational case for changing TPIM regime.
  • No cogent business case or justification has been given by the Government.
  • The Government's proposal aims to change the standard of proof for TPIMs.
  • No specific case has been given where the current standard of proof has hampered public protection.
  • Previous Independent Reviewers supported a higher threshold of proof.
  • Today marks the 15th anniversary of the 7/7 London bombings.
  • Louise, a survivor from the Aldgate train bombing, will leave flowers at the site today as she does annually.
  • Some victims suffer long-term psychological and physical effects including anxiety, depression, life-changing injuries, or loss of loved ones.
  • Clause 37 proposes lowering the standard of proof for TPIM notices from 'beyond reasonable doubt' to 'reasonable grounds for suspecting'.
  • Assistant Chief Constable Tim Jacques testified that this change would make the public safer.
  • The current standard of proof has been raised twice before, in 2011 and 2015.
  • Assistant Chief Constable Tim Jacques testified on June 25, 2020.
  • The lower standard of proof is needed for rapidly changing risk profiles and individuals returning from overseas such as Syria.
  • There have been no occasions where a TPIM was desired but not obtained due to the current burden of proof.
  • The Assistant Chief Constable testified publicly for the first time about the impact of lowering the standard of proof on TPIMs.
  • Jonathan Hall gave testimony just before Assistant Chief Constable Jacques.
  • The Assistant Chief Constable stated that MI5 has not found the current standard of proof to be a blocker in any case so far.
  • Amendment would require the Secretary of State to seek permission from the High Court for any TPIM extension beyond the two-year mark.
  • The court must apply principles applicable on an application for judicial review when determining such extensions.
  • Laurence Robertson interrupts Conor McGinn's speech.
  • Only amendment 60 to clause 38 and amendment 64 are being discussed.
  • Amendment 61 is not part of the current discussion.
  • The current two-year maximum for TPIMs can result in significant gaps of up to a year or more.
  • Jonathan Hall found examples of gaps caused by renewal requirements, including one gap of a year and another of 16 months.
  • Assistant Chief Constable Jacques confirmed an increase in threat during these gaps.
  • In the old control order regime without the two-year limit, only a small number (15) lasted more than two years.
  • TPIMs are subject to quarterly reviews under section 11 of the Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Act 2011.
  • Subjects have an ongoing right to appeal any extension under section 16(1) of the same Act.
  • Amendment 61 requires the standard of proof for renewing a TPIM notice beyond two years to be 'on the balance of probabilities'.
  • TPIM measures include overnight residence requirements, relocation, police reporting, electronic monitoring tag, exclusion from specific places, limits on association and use of financial services.
  • The amendment aims to introduce additional safeguards to ensure TPIMs are applied reasonably and proportionately.
  • Amendment 61 seeks to introduce a higher standard of proof—the balance of probabilities—for TPIM extensions beyond two years.
  • The annual renewal process with a right of appeal if the subject feels the renewal is unreasonable provides adequate protection.
  • Counter-terrorism police expenditure was significantly increased earlier this year.
  • The TPIM Act requires the Secretary of State to keep under review whether there is terrorist-related activity or public protection needs.
  • A TPIM Review Group (TRG) meets quarterly.
  • Max Hill QC, in his 2018 report as Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation, validated the TRG's activities and their frequency.
  • The amendment would require a report two years after the imposition or extension of a TPIM.
  • The reports must address current evidence and investigative steps taken in relation to TPIMs.
  • The Independent Reviewer noted that there is no detailed consultation process under section 10 of the 2011 Act.
  • The amendment would also provide annual statements from the Intelligence and Security Committee on their satisfaction with these reports.
  • Conor McGinn proposes amendment 70.
  • Amendment would insert a requirement for assessments of individuals residing together under TPIM measures.
  • Evidence suggests that shared accommodation poses risks for reoffending and radicalisation.
  • New clause 12 requires a counsellor during polygraph sessions for individuals aged 18-25.
  • Counsellors can assess appropriateness and support the individual.
  • Annual reports must be laid before Parliament summarising concerns raised.
  • Clause 42 requires TPIM subjects to provide drug samples for testing.
  • Testing is limited to class A and B drugs as specified under the Criminal Justice and Court Services Act 2000.
  • Clause 43 allows the Secretary of State to require TPIM subjects to supply additional information.
  • Clause 44 adds breach of TPIM notice and temporary exclusion order offences to terrorism notification requirements.
  • Clause 45 enables direct police applications for SCPOs in terrorist-related cases, streamlining the process.
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