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Fire Safety Bill - Sitting 1 (Morning)

25 June 2020

Proposing MP
South West Devon
Type
Public Bill Committee

At a Glance

Issue Summary

The statement is about the Fire Safety Bill and its examination during Public Bill Committee proceedings. The discussion revolves around the interaction and clarity of different pieces of legislation related to fire safety, including concerns about overlapping definitions and responsibilities. The statement addresses concerns about the clarity of definitions in the Fire Safety Bill regarding common parts of buildings and the responsibilities of property owners or managers. Gary Streeter welcomes witnesses from the Fire Sector Federation and L&Q Group to discuss fire safety measures in relation to the Bill. Gary Streeter is addressing the complexity of fire safety in buildings and the challenges related to access for maintenance and inspections. The statement discusses challenges related to enforcing fire safety standards in buildings, particularly regarding remedial work prioritisation and delays affecting leaseholders' ability to sell their properties. Gary Streeter addresses issues related to fire safety access and risk assessor training qualifications. The statement discusses the Fire Safety Bill and its implications on fire safety and maintenance access. Matt Wrack discusses the importance of a joined-up approach to fire safety within the UK's fire and rescue service, highlighting concerns over resource cuts affecting training and specialist teams. The statement discusses concerns about the Fire Safety Bill, focusing on issues beyond cladding such as the breakdown of compartmentation in buildings and the need for better fire safety regulations. MP Gary Streeter is chairing a Public Bill Committee session discussing the Fire Safety Bill and the ongoing issues related to building safety, particularly regarding cladding and insulation.

Action Requested

No specific action requested beyond facilitating the committee's work, including scheduling sessions, reviewing written evidence, and questioning witnesses on fire safety clarifications in existing buildings.

Key Facts

  • The National Fire Chiefs Council and other organisations are scheduled to give oral evidence.
  • Witness sessions will take place until no later than 1.00pm on Thursday 25 June.
  • The committee will deliberate in private before admitting witnesses.
  • The Building Act 1984 and Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 are mentioned as relevant legislation.
  • There are around 400 third-party registered fire risk assessors and potentially 400 APQC independent assessors.
  • A differentiated approach to training based on building complexity is proposed.
  • The issue of defining common parts is crucial for the success of the Fire Safety Bill.
  • External wall systems, including insulation and fixing methods, have been debated since August 2016.
  • Property owners or managers will be held responsible for ensuring compliance with fire safety regulations.
  • James Carpenter is head of fire safety at L&Q, a large housing provider managing over 110,000 homes.
  • Dennis Davis is executive officer of the Fire Sector Federation, an organisation working to improve public fire safety competency.
  • The witnesses aim to ensure amendments to the Bill are realistic and achievable for building managers and residents.
  • The built environment is complex, ranging from single-storey dwellings to multifunctional developments.
  • Access for maintenance and inspections in residential buildings with leaseholders is a significant challenge due to lack of legal mandates.
  • There are discussions about transferring ownership rights through legislation to ensure proper fire safety compliance.
  • L&Q has 191 buildings over 18 metres with an estimated £450 million cost to resolve.
  • The G15 group of housing providers in London has over 1,100 buildings with an estimated cost of up to £6.8 billion.
  • EWS1 forms have created issues by stopping the sale or movement of properties due to delays and unclear regulations.
  • James Carpenter highlights over 100,000 homes with challenges related to tenant cooperation for fire safety improvements.
  • Dennis Davis notes that there could be around 50,000 people calling themselves risk assessors but varying levels of qualification and training among them.
  • The Committee is convened until 1 pm.
  • Adrian Dobson is the executive director for professional services at RIBA.
  • Matt Wrack represents the Fire Brigades Union as general secretary since 2005.
  • There has been a 19% reduction in watch managers, 23% in station managers, and 20% overall staff reduction from 2011 to 2020.
  • Firefighter training courses have been reduced from 16 weeks to less than 10 weeks over the past two decades.
  • Specialist fire safety teams have seen cuts of up to 50% over the last decade.
  • The Central Fire Brigades Advisory Council was abolished in 2004 and has not been replaced.
  • The Bill is seen as clarifying but does not address issues such as the breakdown of compartmentation in buildings.
  • Firefighters have concerns about evacuation policies that may take years to review, while they need immediate strategies.
  • There is a call for better regulation of fire risk assessors and ensuring qualified individuals are conducting assessments.
  • The G15 needs to spend £6.8 billion on fire safety modifications.
  • The Fire Safety Bill addresses issues of cladding and insulation materials.
  • Witnesses have highlighted the need for a comprehensive review of building regulations and industry competence requirements.
  • There is concern over the scale of fire door defects, with 65% of inspected doors found to be wrong in some way.
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