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Health and Care Bill - Sitting 14

19 October 2021

Proposing MP
Sunderland Central
Type
Public Bill Committee

At a Glance

Issue Summary

The amendments propose changes to clauses in the Health and Care Bill to ensure UK Ministers consult and obtain consent from devolved governments before exercising certain powers. The statement discusses amendments related to the Health and Care Bill, focusing on clause 87 which allows the Secretary of State to transfer functions between relevant bodies in order to improve efficiency. The statement discusses concerns about the Health and Care Bill's impact on devolved health systems, particularly regarding data management and regulatory bodies. The MP discusses concerns about clauses in the Health and Care Bill related to transferring functions between organisations. Julie Elliott is leading a vote on multiple clauses in the Health and Care Bill. Julie Elliott is proposing amendments to Schedule 13 of the Health and Care Bill, focusing on changing the powers from the Secretary of State to other roles within NHS England. Julie Elliott is addressing procedural issues related to voting on specific clauses in the Health and Care Bill. The Minister discusses amendments related to the Health and Social Care Safety Investigations Bill (HSSIB) regarding board member removal powers, the role of a chief finance officer, and remuneration control. The MP discusses the establishment of HSSIB under the Health and Care Bill, addressing concerns about its independence and effectiveness. Karin Smyth addresses concerns about the accountability and integrity of HSSIB, a new body under the Health and Care Bill. Julie Elliott is addressing the Health and Care Bill's amendments regarding the pre-appointment process for HSSIB. The discussion revolves around the Health and Care Bill's clause regarding HSSIB's role in investigating incidents with safety implications. The statement discusses amendments to Clause 95 of the Health and Care Bill concerning HSSIB's independence in investigations directed by the Secretary of State. The discussion revolves around an amendment to require HSSIB to establish a process for challenging decisions not to investigate qualifying incidents. The speaker discusses clause 95 of the Health and Care Bill which outlines the powers given to the Secretary of State to direct HSSIB (Health Service Safety Investigations Body) to investigate specific incidents or issue reports. The amendment aims to require HSSIB to consult trade unions and patients when considering or reviewing criteria, principles, and processes. The amendment proposes changes to Clause 97 of the Health and Care Bill to ensure that all final reports by HSSIB are sent to the Secretary of State and that a report is laid before Parliament within 12 months outlining steps taken as a result. The statement discusses Clause 97 of the Health and Care Bill, which sets out requirements for HSSIB's final reports following investigations. The statement discusses clauses related to Health and Social Care Systems and Healthcare Act Independent Reconfiguration (HSSIB) reports, including provisions for interim reports, sharing draft reports with stakeholders, mandatory responses to HSSIB recommendations, and the admissibility of these reports in legal proceedings. MP Julie Elliott is addressing clauses related to powers of entry, inspection and seizure in the Health and Care Bill. The MP is discussing clause 102 of the Health and Care Bill, which deals with power of entry, and amendment 125 aiming to qualify certain powers. The MP also raises concerns about clauses 103-105 regarding compulsory cooperation. The statement addresses the Health and Social Care Bill's provisions for the Healthcare Safety Investigation Branch (HSSIB) regarding its powers of entry, inspection, seizure, and information requirements. The statement addresses the withdrawal of an amendment and the progression of clauses in the Health and Care Bill.

Action Requested

These amendments would require the Secretary of State for Health and Social Care to seek legislative consent from Scottish, Welsh, and Northern Irish ministers before implementing specific regulations under reserved areas.

Key Facts

  • Amendments 69, 70, and 71 aim to include provisions that mandate UK Minister consultation with devolved government ministers.
  • Amendment 72 specifically outlines the requirement for legislative consent from Scottish Ministers, Welsh Ministers, and Northern Ireland Ministers before repealing or amending certain Acts and Measures.
  • Clause 87 confers power on the Secretary of State to transfer functions between relevant bodies listed in clause 86.
  • Amendment 69 seeks to ensure Scottish Ministers are consulted before a transfer of functions in reserved areas is carried out.
  • The power allows moving existing functions around within the current landscape for greater flexibility, without removing services currently provided by ALBs.
  • Clause 87 sets conditions that aim to improve efficiency, effectiveness, and patient outcomes.
  • The statement addresses issues related to data, consultation, and consent.
  • NHS Digital is being transformed into the Health and Social Care Information Centre.
  • Clause 89(6) of the Bill is described as merely consequential but increases anxiety about potential regulatory changes without consultation or consent.
  • Clause 86 specifies organisations that the Secretary of State can delegate or transfer functions to.
  • Clause 87 allows for moving functions between organisations.
  • Clause 88 provides for the Secretary of State to permit organisations to exercise functions on their behalf.
  • Julie Elliott leads the discussion on multiple clauses in the Health and Care Bill.
  • Clauses 89 to 92 are voted upon collectively.
  • The vote results in 10 Ayes and 5 Noes.
  • Amendment 127 replaces “Secretary of State” with “Chief Executive of NHS England”.
  • Amendments 130 and 131 give a majority of non-executive members the power to remove a person from office, removing the Secretary of State's authority in this regard.
  • Amendments 132 through 135 grant powers over remuneration for HSSIB non-executive members to the Chief Finance Officer of HSSIB.
  • Clauses 90, 91, and 92 were not previously voted on.
  • Voting is taking place to ensure all clauses are properly addressed in the Bill.
  • Amendments 127 to 135 are considered.
  • The Bill mandates safeguards for removing non-executive board members when necessary.
  • Paragraphs of schedule 13 outline HSSIB's financial management responsibilities.
  • The Healthcare Safety Investigation Branch was established in 2016 but lacks statutory backing.
  • The Health Service Safety Investigations Bill was introduced in the House of Lords in 2019 but did not proceed due to a general election call.
  • HSSIB’s work has been limited by funding pressures and lack of legal enforcement.
  • Recommendations from HSSIB have sometimes not been acted upon due to cost considerations.
  • The issue of accountability is close to Smyth's heart.
  • The Health and Social Care Committee recommended Baroness Harding relinquish her Conservative whip in the House of Lords and gain professional experience before taking up her post.
  • The appointment process for Executive agencies falls outside the purview of the Commissioner for Public Appointments, leading to concerns about scrutiny and accountability.
  • Amendments 127 to 135 have just been debated.
  • Justin Madders will move amendments 130 and 131.
  • Amendments 127 to 129 and amendments 132 to 135 will not be pressed.
  • Clause 94 covers investigations of incidents with safety implications in England during healthcare service provision.
  • HSSIB's investigative function is not for assessing blame or civil/criminal liability.
  • Recommendations are monitored informally by NHS Improvement, but there are concerns about the lack of a formal follow-up mechanism.
  • HSSIB can request additional funding for investigations directed by the Secretary of State.
  • The chief investigator may decline to carry out such investigations.
  • The Secretary of State has no role once an investigation starts.
  • Amendment 122 seeks to require a process for challenging HSSIB decisions not to investigate.
  • The amendment aims to protect the independence of HSSIB while ensuring transparency.
  • Edward Argar believes HSSIB should have autonomy to determine which incidents to investigate without formal challenge processes.
  • Clause 95 gives the Secretary of State powers to direct HSSIB to carry out investigations.
  • HSSIB can decide on its own priorities for investigating incidents based on referrals and intelligence.
  • HSSIB is not bound to follow instructions but must explain if it deems them unnecessary.
  • Amendment 123 seeks to insert provisions requiring HSSIB to consult specific groups.
  • Edward Argar argues that leaving consultation decisions to HSSIB preserves its independence and flexibility.
  • The amendment is withdrawn after discussion.
  • The amendment would add a requirement for all final reports to be sent to the Secretary of State.
  • A report must be laid before Parliament within 12 months after receiving each final report.
  • The Joint Committee on the Draft Health Service Safety Investigations Bill recommended parliamentary accountability for HSSIB.
  • Clause 97 deals with HSSIB’s final report following an investigation.
  • The clause sets out what a report should include such as overall findings and analysis of what has happened.
  • If the Secretary of State directed the HSSIB to undertake an investigation, HSSIB will be required to send a copy of the report to the Secretary of State.
  • Clause 98 allows HSSIB to publish interim reports addressing urgent risks.
  • Clause 99 requires HSSIB to share draft reports with those likely to be affected by the findings.
  • Clause 100 mandates recipients of HSSIB reports to provide written responses within a specified timeframe.
  • Amendment 125 is being moved to leave out subsection (6) of clause 102.
  • Clauses 103 to 105 are discussed for their proposed inclusion in the Bill.
  • Clause 102 deals with power of entry.
  • Amendment 125 aims to modify the powers granted in clause 102(6).
  • Clauses 103-105 provide compulsion for individuals to cooperate.
  • The MP questions the need and application of these powers, especially concerning national security issues.
  • Clauses 102-105 relate to HSSIB's investigatory powers.
  • Clause 102 gives HSSIB power to enter and inspect premises in England if consent is not given, similar to other safety-critical industry bodies.
  • The power of entry does not apply to private dwellings without consent.
  • The Secretary of State can restrict the powers if deemed necessary for national security or operational needs.
  • Amendment withdrawn.
  • Clauses 102 to 105 ordered to stand part of the Bill.
  • Further consideration adjourned till Thursday 21 October.
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