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National Security Bill - Sitting 13
18 October 2022
Type
Public Bill Committee
At a Glance
Issue Summary
MP James Gray is addressing points of order and discussing the National Security Bill, specifically Clause 8 - Disclosure orders. James Gray is discussing new clause 8 and schedule 1 of the National Security Bill which introduce measures for law enforcement officers to apply to courts for orders to gather information on foreign power threat activity. The statement discusses the introduction of new schedules 1, 2, and 3 in the National Security Bill aimed at enhancing capabilities to address state threats. The statement addresses concerns about the National Security Bill's new schedule and clause, focusing on how they would enable investigation of foreign threat activities. The statement discusses the introduction of customer information orders as part of investigatory measures for state threats activity. James Gray discusses new schedule 3 regarding account monitoring orders for investigations into state threats. The MP is discussing new schedule 3 of the National Security Bill regarding account monitoring orders. The statement discusses the registration requirements for arrangements involving specified persons, including foreign powers and other entities controlled by them, to carry out activities in the UK. James Gray is discussing new clauses relating to the foreign influence registration scheme proposed as part of the National Security Bill. The statement addresses the National Security Bill and its provisions related to foreign influence registration schemes. The statement discusses the National Security Bill, specifically addressing the public and private nature of registrations for political influence and other forms of influence under different schedules. The statement addresses new clause 11 of the National Security Bill, which aims to enhance registration requirements for individuals or entities engaged in activities directed by foreign powers within the UK. The statement addresses the definition and scope of 'direction' and 'control' within the National Security Bill, focusing on identifying power relationships and foreign control over entities. The statement discusses the procedural aspects and justifications for new clause 12 of the National Security Bill, which requires registration of foreign activity arrangements. James Gray brings up a scheduling conflict and proposes a change to the sitting time of the Committee. Holly Lynch discusses the foreign influence registration scheme and requests for more detailed explanatory notes. The statement discusses concerns about the National Security Bill's foreign influence registration scheme and requests clarity on its implementation details. The MP is discussing concerns regarding the effectiveness and implementation of a foreign influence registration scheme within the National Security Bill. MP Kevan Jones is discussing concerns about the National Security Bill and its implementation, particularly regarding transparency and the complexity of certain provisions. Maria Eagle expresses concerns about the complexity and potential inefficiencies of the proposed National Security Bill's registration scheme, particularly regarding its two-tier structure.
Action Requested
The speaker addresses a point of information regarding the delay in formal briefing on clause 23 examples by the Intelligence and Security Committee. No specific action or proposal for change is requested.
Key Facts
- MP Kevan Jones raised points of order concerning lack of explanatory notes on foreign agent registration.
- A commitment was given to provide the ISC with examples related to clause 23 but a formal briefing date has not been set yet.
- Clause 8 - Disclosure orders is introduced and discussed.
- New clause 8 and new schedule 1 introduce measures for law enforcement to gather information on foreign power threat activity.
- Financial investigation is important for establishing links between activities and foreign powers.
- The National Crime Agency will have access to these new financial and property investigation powers.
- Disclosure orders streamline the process of obtaining non-excluded material from multiple organisations during investigations.
- The new schedules aim to address challenges posed by modern day espionage.
- Counter Terrorism Policing submitted written evidence supporting the new schedules.
- Assistant Commissioner Matt Jukes requested financial investigation powers.
- Paragraphs 7 and 17 of new schedule 1 outline offences and evidentiary use in criminal proceedings.
- There is a suggestion to be explicit about the rank required for officers exercising certain powers within the legislation.
- New Schedule 1 provides powers to investigate foreign threat activity.
- Questions are raised about how property is linked to foreign power threat activities.
- Concerns are expressed regarding potential self-incrimination in questioning.
- Paragraph 3(4) of new schedule 1 aims to allow disclosure orders despite restrictions imposed by other enactments.
- Customer information orders are intended as a tool of discovery during early-stage investigations.
- The powers will be used by police and NCA officers trained in financial investigation.
- The provisions are modelled on similar measures under the Terrorism Act 2000 and Proceeds of Crime Act 2002.
- Account monitoring orders will provide specified information from financial institutions about an account for up to 90 days.
- Information is typically provided in the form of a bank statement every few hours.
- The process follows judicial approval similar to terrorism cases under the Proceeds of Crime Act.
- The term 'constable' refers to a generic officer rank.
- Account monitoring orders can be applied by officers of lower ranks due to less intrusive nature.
- Financial institutions include those regulated under the Proceeds of Crime Act and Terrorism Act definitions.
- Overseas territories operate under different jurisdictions, requiring specific considerations.
- A person making a foreign activity arrangement must register it with the Secretary of State within 10 days.
- A specified person can be either a foreign power or another entity controlled by one, if they are not an individual and reasonably believed to be under foreign control.
- Regulations may specify when such registration is required based on considerations of protecting UK safety and interests.
- The new clauses are part of a series announced on Second Reading.
- FARA (Foreign Agents Registration Act) in the US requires disclosure to the Department of Justice where individuals represent foreign interests.
- Australia's Foreign Influence Transparency Scheme Act was passed in 2018.
- The UK scheme will require registration for political influence activities directed by or carried out by foreign entities within the UK.
- The scheme exempts individuals to whom privileges and immunities apply under international law, legal services, domestic and international news publishers, and arrangements with Ireland.
- George Brandis, former Australian Attorney General, commented that the UK scheme should command bipartisan support for its necessity in protecting national interest.
- Tier 2 of the registration requirement will provide greater scrutiny and deter covert activities by increasing penalties for non-compliance.
- New clause 11 requires the Secretary of State to discuss specified foreign powers and entities' activities in the UK.
- Tier 1 registrations for political influence are public.
- Tier 2 enhanced registrations may be kept private initially to maintain ongoing cooperation.
- New clause 11 provides three principal benefits: understanding of scale, increased penalties for non-compliance, and earlier disruption of state threats.
- Registration is required when activity within the UK is directed by a specified foreign power or entity.
- The Secretary of State can specify foreign powers or entities if it is reasonably necessary to protect UK safety or interests.
- Formal structures, including contracts or payments from a specified foreign power or entity to a person, establish a power relationship for 'direction'.
- A generic request made through public communication is not considered a 'direction'.
- Control over an entity by a foreign power is defined as holding more than 25% of shares or voting rights or having the right to appoint/remove officers.
- The Economic Crime and Corporate Transparency Bill complements the National Security Bill in addressing control issues.
- A registration requirement applies within 10 days or before an activity pursuant to a foreign arrangement takes place.
- Offences are committed if a person fails to register and knows—or ought reasonably to know—that the arrangement is a foreign activity arrangement.
- 'Foreign power control' includes 25% shareholding, formal mechanisms like voting rights, and indirect controls such as appointing officers.
- The 1922 Committee elections for Select Committees are scheduled for 2 PM.
- The Minister is willing to move an amendment to change the sitting time of the Committee to avoid the clash.
- The proposed new sitting times are from 2:15 PM to 5:15 PM.
- The foreign influence registration scheme is a new addition to the Bill.
- Feedback from officials suggests that technical explanatory statements are only provided when amendments are published on the amendment paper.
- Detailed explanations and examples are typically found in the explanatory notes published alongside the Bill.
- The Bill's explanatory notes lack real-world examples explaining how the foreign influence registration scheme would work.
- New clause 11 requires registration of arrangements with specified persons within 10 days.
- Subsection (4) specifies conditions for a person to be controlled by a foreign power, including holding more than 25% of voting rights or shares.
- The Bill proposes a two-tier system with a broad primary political tier followed by an enhanced one.
- Designation of states or organisations for the enhanced tier will have profound implications and diplomatic challenges.
- New clause 12 does not put any obligation on people in the UK undertaking activities via intermediaries in another country.
- The Bill has taken too long to be introduced despite previous reports from 2020.
- Tier 1 provisions will be publicly available, in contrast to tier 2 which remains unclear.
- Concerns about diplomatic pressures and practical implementation of the enhanced tier are raised.
- Eagle expresses concern over the complexity of the proposed scheme.
- The proposal includes a two-tier registration system which is confusing and complex compared to having one tier applying to all countries.
- There is questioning about why certain harmful activities outside political influencing are only registrable when specified in secondary legislation involving foreign powers.
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