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National Security Bill - Sitting 1

07 July 2022

Proposing MP
Bethnal Green and Stepney
Type
Public Bill Committee

At a Glance

Issue Summary

Rushanara Ali provides updates on the National Security Bill committee proceedings and prepares for hearing oral evidence from Jonathan Hall QC, independent reviewer of terrorism legislation. The discussion revolves around the National Security Bill and the role of an independent reviewer for state threat prevention and investigation measures (STPIMs). Rushanara Ali is discussing concerns about part 3 of the National Security Bill, particularly regarding legal aid and its impact on individuals convicted of terrorism offences. Rushanara Ali (Bethnal Green and Stepney) chairs a session for oral evidence from Sir Alex Younger and Professor Sir David Omand regarding the National Security Bill. Sir Alex Younger discusses the need for updating UK security legislation in light of new geopolitical threats and the importance of criminalizing actions that undermine democracy. The statement addresses concerns over the risks faced by UK intelligence officers when sharing data internationally and proposes a legal framework to manage these risks appropriately. The speakers discuss the National Security Bill and its implications on intelligence exchange, criminalization of actions, and threats posed by digital technology and state-based criminal activity. The discussion revolves around the National Security Bill, particularly focusing on clause 23 and the new offence of preparatory conduct. Rushanara Ali is chairing a session on the National Security Bill, focusing on questions related to online targeting by hostile states, the adequacy of current legislation, and public education. Rushanara Ali discusses the need for enhanced national security measures in response to cyber threats and sabotage. Rushanara Ali concludes a session of the Public Bill Committee discussing the National Security Bill. The statement does not address a specific issue or policy.

Action Requested

The statement is informational, outlining scheduling details and procedures for the Committee's work. No specific action or announcement is proposed beyond these procedural arrangements.

Key Facts

  • The Committee will meet on specified dates between July and September.
  • Oral evidence sessions with multiple witnesses are scheduled for Thursday, July 7.
  • Copies of written evidence received by the Committee will be made available in the Committee Room and circulated to Members by email.
  • The independent reviewer can provide transparency about how TPIMs are operating.
  • Legal aid has not been made available in all cases for TPIMs, leading to fewer court cases and less information on the use of TPIMs.
  • Jonathan Hall expects STPIMs to be effective as agencies and the Home Secretary will only impose them when necessary.
  • The changes in part 3 are seen as entirely symbolic rather than addressing an operational need.
  • Removing legal aid affects a wide range of individuals beyond just convicted terrorists, including those with minor offences or no custodial sentences.
  • Exceptional case funding is difficult to obtain and not guaranteed for urgent cases.
  • Rushanara Ali chairs a session with Sir Alex Younger (former chief of SIS) and Professor Sir David Omand from King’s College London.
  • The session runs until 12:40 pm.
  • Sir Alex discusses the erosion of boundaries between peace and war, domestic and international, covert and overt, virtual and real in security threats.
  • Younger acknowledges the rise of state threats, especially with Russia's actions, including attempts to murder people on UK soil.
  • He supports the National Security Bill for its efforts to clarify ambiguous threats and criminalize activities that harm democracy.
  • He mentions that many allies have similar measures in place, viewing them as uncontentious and overdue.
  • The UK intelligence services rely heavily on international partnerships to combat terrorism and digital threats.
  • Sharing large bulk datasets involves unavoidable risks despite safeguards.
  • Sir Alex Younger served in Afghanistan, illustrating his perspective on risk management.
  • The Serious Crime Act (SCA) captures intelligence exchange, potentially criminalizing it unintentionally.
  • GCHQ and the role of security and intelligence coordinator are mentioned as historical contexts.
  • CESSPIT acronym coined by Professor Sir David Omand refers to crime, espionage, sabotage, subversion perverting internet technology.
  • North Korean Lazarus group took over $0.5 billion-worth of Ethereum currency from an exchange in March.
  • Clause 13 of the Bill deals with engaging in conduct intending negative effects on the UK for or on behalf of a foreign power.
  • Sir Alex Younger clarifies that 'carve-out' does not mean granting immunity for any criminal behavior.
  • The UK's intelligence officers face a risk of facing criminal sanction for doing their job without a carve-out.
  • Professor Sir David Omand supports the power in the Bill to address preparation for serious espionage or sabotage activity.
  • The National Security Bill aims to address threats from foreign states that are not necessarily at war with the UK.
  • Trade secrets and theft of intellectual property are well covered in the Bill, but online targeting presents challenges.
  • An amendment would require an independent annual review of disinformation pushed online by hostile states.
  • The Official Secrets Act was considered insufficient compared to terrorism powers.
  • State actors are increasingly using advanced persistent threats (APT) techniques against UK institutions.
  • During the covid pandemic, there were intrusions into networks of healthcare organizations like WHO by state-backed APTs.
  • There is a need for new legislation to create a coherent framework for addressing sabotage and cyber-security issues.
  • The session discusses challenges related to online harm, sabotage, misinformation, and disinformation.
  • There are concerns about protecting intellectual property and economic value from state threats.
  • The Bill criminalises trade secrets to protect against espionage.
  • The session was ordered to be adjourned at 12:40 by Scott Mann.
  • The session will reconvene on the same day at Two o'clock.
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