<-- Back to proposed bills

Victims and Prisoners Bill - Sitting 11

06 July 2023

Proposing MP
Dundee East
Type
Public Bill Committee

At a Glance

Issue Summary

Stewart Hosie discusses amendments related to the appointment of an independent public advocate for victims of major incidents. The statement addresses the need for a public advocate appointed by the Secretary of State in cases of major incidents or disasters. The statement discusses the Victims and Prisoners Bill, focusing on the appointment of an independent public advocate (IPA) following a major incident. The statement addresses the proposed amendments to clause 24 of the Victims and Prisoners Bill, focusing on ensuring that the Secretary of State must consider the views of bereaved families and consult with them when appointing an independent public advocate. The statement discusses the importance of regaining and maintaining trust between bereaved families and government officials during public inquiries following disasters. Edward Argar is discussing amendments related to providing agency and influence for bereaved families in decisions about support following a major incident or public disaster. Stewart Hosie is addressing the Victims and Prisoners Bill, specifically proposing to define 'close family members' for the purposes of identifying victims in major incidents. Maria Eagle is questioning the clarity and scope of definitions related to victims and their close family members or friends under the Victims and Prisoners Bill. Stewart Hosie is proposing new clause 15 which would require the Secretary of State to appoint an independent public advocate for victims of major incidents. Maria Eagle is proposing new clause 15 to amend the Victims and Prisoners Bill by requiring the Secretary of State to appoint an individual as a public advocate for victims of major incidents. The MP discusses the importance of having a standing independent public advocate rather than an ad hoc appointment in cases of major incidents or disasters. The discussion centres on the Victims and Prisoners Bill and the establishment of an Independent Public Advocate (IPA) mechanism to address issues arising from major incidents. Edward Argar is addressing concerns raised by the right hon. Member for Garston and Halewood regarding the Victims and Prisoners Bill, specifically discussing the role of a standing advocate and the definition of major incidents.

Action Requested

Hosie proposes amendment 21, which would alter the definition of a major incident so that it automatically applies if a significant number of individuals are killed or seriously harmed. This aims to limit the Secretary of State's discretion in declaring and appointing an independent public advocate for such incidents.

Key Facts

  • Amendment 20 by Anna McMorrin seeks to require the Secretary of State to appoint an individual as an independent public advocate.
  • Amendment 21 would change the definition of 'major incident' so that it automatically applies if a significant number of individuals are killed or seriously harmed, rather than being at the discretion of the Secretary of State.
  • Lord Wills and others have criticized the current proposals for giving too much unfettered discretion to the Secretary of State.
  • The statement references the Hillsborough disaster where cover-up by authorities led to trauma for survivors and families.
  • Amendment 20 proposes removing the Secretary of State's discretion in appointing an advocate.
  • There are other disasters mentioned like MV Derbyshire, Alder Hey organ scandal, and Manchester Arena bombing.
  • The amendments focus on removing the Secretary of State's discretion to decide whether an event qualifies as a major incident for IPA appointment.
  • Major incidents include events like Hillsborough, Grenfell Tower fire, and Manchester Arena bombing.
  • The Government believes in maintaining flexibility by using 'may' instead of 'must' for appointing an IPA.
  • Amendment 65 aims to add provisions requiring the Secretary of State to consider bereaved families' views when deciding on the appointment of an Independent Public Advocate.
  • Amendment 66 ensures that the Secretary of State must consult victims before appointing a public advocate for a major incident.
  • Clause 24 grants the Secretary of State discretion in appointing independent public advocates without current obligations to consider victim input.
  • When Jack Straw became Home Secretary in 1997, he established the Stuart-Smith scrutiny following the drama-documentary “Hillsborough”.
  • Lord Justice Stuart-Smith's initial comment was perceived as insensitive by the families of victims, leading to a loss of trust and credibility for his inquiry.
  • Amendment 65 requires the Secretary of State to consider the views of bereaved families when deciding on the appointment of an independent public advocate.
  • The amendments seek to give bereaved families agency over who is appointed as an advocate.
  • The Minister acknowledges the need for trust and appropriate language in supporting victims after a disaster.
  • Concerns are raised about potential delays in support reaching victims due to immediate consultations.
  • Amendment 68 aims to define 'close family member'.
  • The definition includes specific relatives like spouse, child, parent, sibling, cohabitant.
  • It also specifies the executor of the deceased’s will as a close family member.
  • Amendment 67 and 68 are probing amendments.
  • Clause 24(7)(a) defines victims as individuals harmed by an incident.
  • Clause 24(7)(b) includes close family members or friends of those who died or suffered serious harm.
  • Clause 24 enables the Secretary of State to appoint independent public advocates for victims of major incidents.
  • A 'major incident' includes an event causing death or serious harm to a significant number of individuals involving health and safety issues, regulatory failures, or events of serious concern.
  • The advocate may be appointed when both requirements—one is the occurrence of a major incident in the advocate’s opinion, and two is that 50% plus one of those affected have requested an advocate—are met.
  • New clause 15 sets out roles and functions for a public advocate.
  • The role is intended to support victims of major incidents with efficient means of support.
  • It would ensure reasonable costs, remuneration, and appropriate qualifications for the appointee.
  • The MP supports a standing appointment over an ad hoc one.
  • Bishop James Jones highlighted the importance of independence through a standing appointment.
  • Lord Wills introduced a Bill in the Lords advocating for a standing independent public advocate.
  • Maria Eagle calls for more ambitious measures to prevent cover-ups and ensure transparency from the start.
  • Edward Argar acknowledges the new clause 15 proposed by Maria Eagle but maintains that a permanent IPA is not necessary due to the rarity of major incidents.
  • The Minister believes it is right for the Secretary of State, accountable to Parliament, to decide on the deployment of an IPA.
  • The Ministry of Justice has allocated funding for a permanent secretariat to support the IPA.
  • Clause 25 provides for a secretariat and remuneration for the IPA's support system.
  • Argar believes that defining major incidents broadly allows for flexibility in responding to various scenarios.
Assessment & feedback
Summary accuracy