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House of Commons · Ministers' Questions

Topical Questions

Monday 19 February 2024 · 16 questions

Summarised by AI from the official record, so it can contain mistakes.

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Answered 8 Partly answered 6 Not answered 0

Key points

  • Greg Smith (Conservative) asked about progress at the NATO Defence Ministers meeting and support for Ukraine; the Minister highlighted the Ukraine defence contact group involving 52 countries and the announcement of 200 million for drones.
  • John Healey (Labour) inquired about the Defence Secretary's efforts to help Israel accept a permanent ceasefire in Gaza; the Minister responded by emphasizing the interest in seeing an immediate cessation followed by a permanent ceasefire.
  • Elliot Colburn asked about steps the Government is taking to provide better support for veterans; the Minister highlighted the armed forces covenant and the Ministry of Defence's responsibility for several services for veterans, supporting around 50,000 veterans annually.

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Questions & Answers

Q1 Greg Smith Con Mid Buckinghamshire
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The MP notes that the Defence Secretary has engaged in multiple international meetings. He specifically references visits to the United States, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Cyprus, and Brussels.

Question

If he will make a statement on his departmental responsibilities. This year I visited the United States—the White House and Capitol Hill—to lobby on behalf of Ukraine; Saudi Arabia and Egypt, given the crisis in the middle east; HMS Diamond, to thank the ship's crew; and our sovereign base at Akrotiri, to thank the Typhoon pilots. Cyprus itself was also visited. Last week I was in Brussels for the NATO meeting and in Munich for the security conference.

Answer from Grant Shapps

Alongside the NATO meeting, there was the Ukraine defence contact group—a group of 52 countries, all of which support Ukraine. The big concern is ensuring that Ukraine has the things it needs now and planning to ensure it can sustain the fight and push back against the enemy in 2024. That is why I have announced £200 million for drones and a 15-nation coalition for MPI—the multinational procurement initiative. Australia was welcomed to the international fund for Ukraine with its commitment of 50 million Australian dollars, making the fund worth £900 million.

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Q2 Greg Smith Con Mid Buckinghamshire
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The MP follows up on the previous question regarding NATO meetings, focusing specifically on progress in supporting Ukraine.

Question

Will my right hon. Friend update the House on progress made at the NATO Defence Ministers meeting, particularly with regard to support for Ukraine?

Answer from Grant Shapps

Alongside the NATO meeting, there was the Ukraine defence contact group—a group of 52 countries supporting Ukraine. The concern is ensuring that Ukraine has what it needs now and planning for sustaining the fight against the enemy in 2024. £200 million for drones has been announced, alongside a 15-nation coalition for MPI—the multinational procurement initiative. Australia was welcomed to the international fund for Ukraine with its commitment of 50 million Australian dollars, making the fund worth £900 million.

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Q3 John Healey Lab Rawmarsh and Conisbrough
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The MP discusses the dire situation for Palestinians, particularly regarding hostages in Gaza and the need for an immediate ceasefire.

Question

The agonies of the Palestinian people are extreme. We all want the fighting to stop now, for hostages to be returned now, for aid to be ramped up now, and a ceasefire that lasts permanently. What is the Defence Secretary doing to help his Israeli counterpart accept that their threatened offensive against Rafah just cannot happen?

Answer from Grant Shapps

I agree about the seriousness of the situation. I visited Israel before the new year and had those conversations directly. We believe it is in Israel's interest, Gaza's interest, and the world's interest to see an immediate cessation followed by a permanent ceasefire. We are doing everything we can to persuade the Israelis of this necessity and putting pressure on Hamas. We are also helping by ensuring plans for what happens in the north of the country and southern Lebanon.

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The MP highlights the number of veterans in his constituency and asks about steps being taken to provide better support.

Question

Carshalton and Wallington is home to more than 1,700 veterans who have provided, and continue to provide, amazing service to our great nation. What steps are we taking as a Government to provide better support for veterans in our country?

Answer from Andrew Murrison

Since 2011, the armed forces covenant and its consequentials have been the absolute lynchpin of public commitment to those who have served. The Ministry of Defence is responsible for several services for veterans. The Veterans Welfare Service supports around 50,000 veterans every year, and the Office for Veterans' Affairs co-ordinates across Government to advance support for veterans and their families.

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The MP raises concerns about the rising number of veterans claiming welfare benefits, expressing doubt over whether this trend should be celebrated or seen as a problem.

Question

The number of veterans claiming welfare benefits is rising steadily, and more than 52,000 are now in receipt of universal credit. Does the Minister find that a cause for celebration or concern?

Answer from Andrew Murrison

I am a veteran, and I talk to veterans all the time. Since 2011, we have materially improved the lived experience of our veteran community and their families. We will continue to do so—of that, he can be absolutely sure.

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Not addressed: specific concern over rising welfare benefits claims among veterans

How: We Are Committed To

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The MP questions whether the community benefit criteria for UK defence contracts apply equally to overseas companies.

Question

When defence contracts are awarded, a 10% to 20% weighting is given to social value, which is the benefit that the contract would have for the local and wider community. Does that community benefit apply entirely for the UK, or are overseas companies and their communities considered equally?

Answer from James Cartlidge

That is a very good question. The distinction is between the Cabinet Office social value rules, which are applied across Government and are irrespective, and the rules that the Ministry of Defence applies to our procurement. When the new medium helicopter comes out, we will be clear about incentivising a strong commitment to the UK industrial base.

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The MP references the MOD's recent publication of findings from an inquiry into a fatal Scimitar vehicle accident on Salisbury Plain and asks whether a full formal government response is necessary.

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The MOD recently published the findings of the inquiry into the fatal accident involving a Scimitar fighting vehicle on Salisbury plain, in which a young soldier tragically lost his life. One of my constituents was a witness to the accident, which has inevitably had a profound impact on him. The Government have said that they do not plan to make a formal response to the inquiry report, but they have accepted all 52 recommendations. Does the Minister not think that the report requires a full and formal response from the Government, with a detailed action plan for adopting the 52 recommendations?

Answer from Grant Shapps

Very simply, I read that report and accepted all its findings. We do not usually take it further, but I will certainly be happy to take a look at the case she has raised.

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Not addressed: necessity of formal government response

How: We Are Committed

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Q8 Mark Francois Con Rayleigh and Wickford
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The MP highlights remarks from the Chief of the General Staff about recruitment challenges and suggests that Capita's performance is poor.

Question

On the subject of recruitment and retention, on 7 November the Chief of the General Staff, Patrick Sanders—arguably the best general of his generation—told the Defence Committee: “We are taking 400 soldiers out of the field army to put them alongside recruiters, because—guess what?—it takes a soldier to recruit a soldier.” Never was a truer word spoken. So when are we finally going to sack Capita?

Answer from Andrew Murrison

I thank my right hon. Friend for his question—I knew he would get Capita in there somewhere. He is familiar with the Engage to Recruit programme, which is currently underway and having some success in getting soldiers to recruit soldiers. We are now seeing extremely promising recruiting figures, including in January—the best figures for six years.

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Not addressed: termination of Capita contract

How: Working With Partners

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Q9 Clive Betts Lab Sheffield South East
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Israel has been criticized for ignoring international appeals regarding its military actions in Gaza and Rafah, raising concerns about the ethical implications of arms sales.

Question

So far, Israel has ignored international appeals to not indiscriminately attack civilians and not take steps that are basically razing Gaza to the ground. It now looks as though it is going to ignore international opinion about entering Rafah, so has the time not now come for us to consider not selling to Israel arms that can be used in those totally unacceptable ways?

Answer from Grant Shapps

Arms deals and export licences are dealt with in the normal way, but not many arms sales take place to Israel. Last year, it was just £42 million for mostly protective equipment.

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Not addressed: The question about stopping arms sales due to unacceptable actions was not directly addressed.

How: Not Many Arms Sales Take Place, £42 Million Last Year

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Q10 Danny Kruger Reform East Wiltshire
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There was a diesel contamination incident in the water supply of the Trenchard Lines camp near Upavon. Families have been on temporary water supplies since.

Question

Late last year, diesel got into the water supply at the Trenchard Lines camp near Upavon in my constituency. I commend the resilience of the families who live there, and also of the MOD, which acted very quickly to ensure that there was a temporary supply of water. Those families are still living on that temporary supply, so can the Minister assure me that attention is being given to sorting out this problem and ensuring a permanent supply of clean water?

Answer from James Cartlidge

I am very grateful to my hon. Friend for raising this matter—he is a champion of the defence community in his constituency, and I thank him for his early engagement on it. The local authority regulator has confirmed that the water quality at Trenchard Lines is acceptable, and it is now safe for personnel working and living there to use the mains supply.

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Q11 Jeff Smith Lab Manchester Withington
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There was a serious attack on a commercial vessel in the Gulf of Aden, raising concerns about ongoing threats to merchant shipping.

Question

Today we have seen news of another serious attack by the Houthis on a commercial vessel in the gulf of Aden. Do Ministers think that more Royal Navy ships will need to be deployed to the region, given the ongoing threat to merchant shipping?

Answer from Grant Shapps

We will always look at what is happening in the Red sea based on the reality on the ground. There is now input from a conglomeration of EU countries joining Prosperity Guardian.

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Not addressed: No direct confirmation or denial about additional ship deployment was provided.

How: Based On The Reality On The Ground

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Q12 Julian Lewis Con New Forest East
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There was a previous statement that HMS Albion and HMS Bulwark would not be scrapped or mothballed, but recent information suggests this may have changed.

Question

In the debate on the Red sea on 24 January, I asked for confirmation that HMS Albion and HMS Bulwark would not only not be scrapped, but would not be mothballed. However, a journalist was subsequently told by the Ministry of Defence that nothing had changed, so are those ships going to be mothballed or not?

Answer from Grant Shapps

My right hon. Friend can rest easy: I have been down to visit HMS Albion since those questions, and I can confirm that one of those ships will always be being made ready to sail.

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Q13 Liz Twist Lab Blaydon and Consett
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Suicide rates among veterans under the age of 24 are significantly higher than in the civilian population, but these individuals are less likely to access mental health services.

Question

Suicide rates among veterans under the age of 24 are two to four times higher than in the civilian population, but figures show that this group is less likely to be in touch with mental health services. How will the Minister ensure that young veterans can access the support they need?

Answer from Andrew Murrison

I am grateful to the hon. Lady for her question—she has been consistent in her inquiry into this matter. She will be reassured to know that across the service community, the rate of suicide is lower than we would expect in the civilian population. There is a subset of young men within the serving population for whom there is an excess, and we are looking very closely at that.

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Not addressed: The specific measures to ensure access to mental health support were not detailed.

How: We Are Looking Very Closely At That

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Context

There was a reported pause in MOD capital spending, which raised concerns about its impact on the armed forces recruitment programme and Army centralised training scheme.

Question

The whole House would like to see a larger Army, Navy and Air Force—there is unanimity on that point. Central to that must be not only the armed forces recruitment programme, but the Army centralised training scheme. Will my right hon. Friend confirm that the pause in capital spending by the MOD, which was announced last week in the press, will not affect those two schemes, and that they will continue in as full-blooded a way as they are at the moment?

Answer from Grant Shapps

My hon. Friend will be pleased to know that there is no pause. The approvals are flowing.

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Context

HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales entered service significantly late with costs far exceeding initial estimates. There are concerns about their effectiveness.

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The Royal Navy carriers HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales entered service six and seven years late respectively, with their cost rocketing to over £8,000 million—more than 20 times that of Scotland's ferries—while being plagued with problems and a lack of aircraft. What assurances can we have that these hugely expensive carriers will provide the defence capability for which they were designed?

Answer from Grant Shapps

The whole House recognises the irony of an SNP Member talking about ships being delivered late. The whole House will want to welcome the extraordinary work done by those on HMS Prince of Wales who got the ship ready to leave not at 30 days' readiness, which is what they were ranked for, but in eight days.

Not addressed: The question about effectiveness and capability was entirely sidestepped.

How: Irony Of An Snp Member, Extraordinary Work Done

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There is a historical context where the British Army was a significant trainer of young men and women in the country.

Question

Does the Secretary of State remember that the British Army used to be the biggest trainer of young men and women in the country and that we produced so many skilled people? When can he take us back to those balmy days?

Answer from Grant Shapps

Since 2014, we have been training 60,000 Ukrainian troops, proving that we know how to get troops trained. We still train extraordinary numbers.

Not addressed: The question about the scale of youth training was not directly addressed; instead, a different training program was highlighted.

How: Training 60,000 Ukrainian Troops

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