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18 October 2016
Lead MP
Karen Bradley
Debate Type
General Debate
Tags
Culture, Media & SportStandards & Ethics
Other Contributors: 90
At a Glance
Karen Bradley raised concerns about broadcasting in the House of Commons. A government minister responded. Other MPs also contributed.
How the Debate Unfolded
MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said:
Lead Contributor
Opened the debate
Welcomes the debate and the hon. Member for West Bromwich East to his place. Stresses that the BBC is widely recognised as one of the world's best broadcasters, and highlights the importance of the consultation process involving over 190,000 submissions. Emphasises that the Government's changes will strengthen the BBC, secure its funding, decouple the charter from electoral cycles, and ensure its survival and thriving.
Karen Bradley
Con
Staffordshire Moorlands
Defends the funding settlement as a strong one that puts the BBC on a sustainable footing with an inflationary increase in the licence fee. Rejects criticisms about imposing costs of free licences for over-75s and overseas monitoring, arguing these were agreed through negotiations.
Kelvin Hopkins
Lab
Lincoln
Questions whether the Government's actions have provided appropriate funding for the BBC while also imposing inappropriate costs on it, such as free licences for over-75s and overseas monitoring expenses.
Chris Bryant
Lab
Rhondda and Ogmore
Critiques the idea of suddenly forcing the BBC to pay for free television licences as a complete disgrace. Questions the Secretary of State about why this funding mechanism exists.
Helen Goodman
Lab
Bishop Auckland
Points out that paragraph 4 of the draft agreement suggests that by entering into it, the BBC has assumed obligations restricting its future freedom of action. Questions how this is consistent with increased independence for the BBC.
Maria Eagle
Lab
Liverpool Garston
Questions whether the Secretary of State understands the difference between appointments to a unitary board that has overall editorial control over the BBC and appointments to trustees or governors who do not have such control. Suggests this could impact independence.
Andrew Bridgen
Con
North West Norfolk
Asks if the Secretary of State will consider decriminalising non-payment of TV licence fees for iPlayer viewing, given changing viewing habits over the charter renewal period. This would be widely supported and welcomed.
Alistair Carmichael
Lib Dem
Orkney and Shetland
The BBC's distinctive advantage is its ability to support minority language broadcasting, but concerns exist about the current framework agreement's fairness towards initiatives like BBC Alba. The funding source should continue from the BBC UK pot as part of a commitment to minority languages across the UK.
Henry Smith
Constituency not specified
BBC local radio is one of the most distinctive forms of BBC output, providing valuable and often unique service to communities up and down the United Kingdom. It closely meets public service requirements by offering focused content tailored to specific areas.
Ian Lucas
Constituency not specified
Asked whether it is unfortunate that there are no local radio services in Wales, reflecting on how other parts of the UK have more diverse coverage compared to BBC Radio Wales and Radio Cymru which represent the entire country.
Kelvin Hopkins
Lab
Luton North
Congratulated Tom Watson for his new role but questioned whether duress was involved in making the BBC accept the cost of licences for over-75s during negotiations, suggesting a lack of transparency and meaningful public consultation.
Tom Watson
Lab
West Bromwich East
Welcomed the charter providing funding and security to the BBC but expressed concerns about the Government’s decision to force the BBC to cover the cost of free TV licences for over-75s without proper consultation or parliamentary debate. Emphasised the need for transparency, public scrutiny, and clear timetables in future negotiations.
Ed Vaizey
Con
Oxford West and Abingdon
Pointed out that the surplus from Labour’s digital switchover programme was used for broadband, underspending its budget.
Tom Watson
Lab
West Bromwich East
Noted potential underspending of £60 million on the BBC and suggested returning it to the organisation for diverse broadcasting; paid tribute to campaigners who helped secure the future of the BBC; welcomed the Government's U-turn in their consultation on the BBC’s future; emphasised the importance of the BBC reflecting Britain's diversity.
Sammy Wilson
DUP
East Antrim
Suggested that it is reasonable for the BBC to make efficiency savings, pointing out instances where the organisation overspent on programme making and staffing costs.
Kelvin Hopkins
Lab
Luton North
Clarified the distinction between public spending funded by taxation and licence fee spending as a form of regressive taxation but not public funding in the same sense.
Nigel Huddleston
Con
Droitwich and Evesham
Acknowledged effective campaigning but criticised unnecessary scaremongering regarding the future of the BBC.
Gloria De Piero
Lab
Ashfield
Suggested that the BBC should engage with schools to offer work experience opportunities for students, reflecting their parents’ contribution through licence fees.
Helen Grant
Con
Maidstone and Malling
Asked whether there is agreement that Ofcom’s new diversity obligations require better representation in the UK population within personnel and senior management at the BBC.
Tom Watson
Lab
West Bromwich East
Welcomes the Minister’s reassurance about diversity in the BBC. Discusses concerns over extending the NAO’s role to scrutinise parts of the BBC not directly funded by the licence fee, and calls for an independent dispute resolution process. Emphasises the importance of Ofcom monitoring distinctiveness and consulting Parliament and the public.
Maldon
Welcomes the publication of both the draft charter and the agreement, highlighting the wide-ranging response to the consultation paper on the future of the BBC. Acknowledges the support from luminaries in the creative industries.
Karen Bradley
Con
Staffordshire Moorlands
Expresses thanks for the work done by her predecessor as Secretary of State, praising the comprehensive and technically excellent work on the charter that puts the BBC on an excellent footing.
Maldon
The charter and agreement reflect the White Paper, which was welcomed by the BBC. The governance structure of the BBC has been reformed to address previous failures such as confusion in management roles leading to issues like severance payments and wasted money. Changes include a strong unitary board with external governance from Ofcom. The Government's role is limited to appointing independent directors for certain positions, while other appointments are made by the BBC itself. Concerns were raised about potential political interference due to the appointment of James Purnell as director of radio and education, despite no direct involvement in editorial decision-making.
Helen Goodman
Lab
Bishop Auckland
Critiques the new board structure for not being sufficiently independent, citing an example where previous appointments lacked transparency. Argues that more appointments should be made through independent processes to ensure impartiality.
David Lammy
Lab
Tottenham
Defends James Purnell's career in media and his performance as a Member of Parliament, questioning if the lack of advertisement or competition for positions is more about ensuring diversity rather than personal background.
Highlights the importance of transparency and competition in the appointment process for senior BBC roles, particularly regarding James Purnell's new position. Emphasises the need for editorial independence in these appointments.
Points out that Rona Fairhead was appointed as chair of the new BBC board without competition when John Whittingdale was Secretary of State, questioning the consistency of criticisms regarding political interference.
Maria Eagle
Lab
Liverpool Garston
Suggests that concerns about political interference arise from attempts to control appointments and governance rather than allowing the BBC to make its own decisions. Questions whether controlling board member appointments is beneficial for editorial independence.
Sammy Wilson
DUP
East Antrim
Questions John Whittingdale about the political connotations of the appointment and raises concerns regarding additional management posts with high salaries despite claims of financial constraints.
Agrees on the distinctiveness point but argues for it to be spread across all channels, not just certain niches.
Asks if John Whittingdale ever looked into the disproportionate distribution of money to regions compared to London and expresses concern regarding underserved areas like the west midlands.
Questions the potential creation of an onerous bureaucracy with the public service content fund, raises concerns about cost implications for licence payers, and inquires about the £60 million one-off pot of money from underspend.
Ian Murray
Lab
Edinburgh South
Defends the BBC against accusations of blame for secret licence fee negotiations, arguing that the Government was to blame.
Sammy Wilson
DUP
East Antrim
Questions whether the BBC should have accepted a deal as lightly and suggests they are benefiting from an increased licence fee despite criticism of the over-75s deal.
Supports John Nicolson's argument about testing market salaries outside the BBC, emphasising that this is standard practice in any business or local government setting.
Chris Bryant
Lab
Rhondda and Ogmore
Criticises Rona Fairhead for not being independent enough during negotiations over the licence fee deal, suggesting she should have resisted Government pressure more strongly.
Alberto Costa
Con
South Leicestershire
Costa questioned whether more coverage of Scottish politics was needed on UK news, suggesting that a separate bulletin might not be the best approach.
Dwyfor Meirionnydd
Saville-Roberts highlighted issues of equality in broadcasting for Welsh speakers, comparing it to potential Scottish news programmes and noting disparities in coverage.
Watson questioned whether Nicolson's position had changed over time regarding the responsibility for a separate 'Scottish Six', prompting a clarification from Nicolson about political interference in broadcasting decisions.
Helen Grant
Con
Maidstone and Malling
She discussed her experience at a 'Black and British' season launch, expressing pride in the BBC's commitment to diversity. She highlighted areas requiring clarification from the Secretary of State or the Minister for Digital and Culture regarding the draft charter's application to suppliers and effectiveness of equality arrangements.
Helen Goodman
15:14:00
She agreed with Helen Grant on the importance of home-grown capacity in children’s programmes reflecting diverse communities, suggesting it is especially important for younger audiences.
Maria Eagle
Lab
Liverpool Garston
Maria Eagle welcomed the new Ministers and their role in completing the charter renewal process. She acknowledged the high approval ratings of the BBC among the public and its significance to the UK's creative industries, advocating for a future-fit BBC that continues its current successful operations.
Maria Eagle
Lab
Liverpool Garston
I agree with the importance of BBC’s impartiality and its judgment on it, but emphasises that the BBC’s editorial independence must be protected. She highlights the stability provided by a 11-year charter length while expressing concerns about potential mid-term reviews which might destabilise the organisation if there is political will to exploit this process. Eagle questions whether these mid-term checks could strip Ofcom of its regulatory function and calls for reassurance regarding the nature of such reviews from the Minister.
Andrew Bridgen
15:22:00
Responds to Maria Eagle by suggesting that if a health check reveals problems, action should be taken. He employs a medical metaphor to illustrate his point about governance and regulation of the BBC.
Maria Eagle
Lab
Liverpool Garston
Continues her argument regarding mid-term reviews, questioning their necessity and purpose. She discusses concerns over potential changes in governance, especially with regard to the appointment of a new chair for the BBC Board through competition.
Sammy Wilson
DUP
East Antrim
Raises the point that the vast amount of money the BBC acquires from licence fee payers gives it an unfair advantage over commercial operators and suggests measures to prevent abuse of this advantage.
Maria Eagle
Lab
Liverpool Garston
Expresses concerns about the £60 million contestable pot of licence fee payers’ money, arguing that such a fund could be used as a raid on the BBC’s resources and might establish a principle that licence fee payers’ money should be handed to commercial rivals. She questions whether this requirement is truly about transparency or punitive measures for those working at the BBC.
Kwasi Kwarteng
15:22:00
The hon. Lady must recognise the distinction between public sector and private sector workers. The salaries of all Members in the House are publicly known, making it legitimate for the public to know where their money is going regarding salaries.
Maria Eagle
Lab
Liverpool Garston
The proposal could lead to unintended consequences such as increased costs and loss of talent. It also provides inconsistency in transparency for front-of-camera and off-screen talent, which does not help the BBC's mission or protect it from commercial rivals.
Damian Collins
15:45:00
The BBC should continue to apply a threshold of asking if it is being true to its creative values and distinctive enough. The new unitary board creation and the role of the National Audit Office as principal auditor are positive steps towards greater transparency. BBC Studios proposals aim to make the BBC more competitive and attract talent, enhancing its future revenue and success.
Andrew Bridgen
15:45:00
Inquires about the appointment of James Purnell as head of radio, questioning the lack of competition and apparent bias in the selection process given current diversity quotas at the BBC.
Damian Collins
Con
Epping Forest
Critiques the appointment process for James Purnell, emphasising the need for transparency in senior executive appointments. Discusses BBC Talent's potential tax avoidance and calls for a mid-point review of the matter. Advocates for editorial independence for Scottish Six news. Proposes the use of PINs to access iPlayer to ensure licence fee compliance, suggesting complementary subscription services for additional content.
Sammy Wilson
DUP
East Antrim
Questions whether transparency in top salaries should extend to contracts that enable tax avoidance. Asks if BBC executives are avoiding taxes via independent production companies and tax schemes.
David Lammy
Lab
Tottenham
Highlights the challenges facing public service broadcasters due to competition from streaming services. Emphasises the importance of reflecting diverse communities in BBC programming, highlighting concerns about lack of diversity among senior executives and in coverage beyond London.
Julian Lewis
Con
New Forest East
Endorses Lammy's points on BBC’s responsibility to reflect society. Questions if the BBC has maintained a fair balance since the referendum.
John Nicolson
SNP
Nairn, Caithness and Sutherland
Points out that unpaid work experience positions at the BBC discourage people from entering due to financial constraints.
David Lammy
Lab
Tottenham
Critiques the BBC for not setting high enough standards regarding diversity, and highlights Channel 4's success in this area. Emphasises the need for clear targets and guidelines for independent production companies to improve representation.
Bob Stewart
Con
Beckenham
Suggests that identifying potential leaders is a common practice in large organisations, including the BBC, but agrees with the need for diversity.
Ed Vaizey
Con
Oxford East
Welcomes the publication of the draft charter, praises previous Secretary of State for supporting the BBC and not having an agenda to bury it. Highlights sustainable licence fee as a key issue given intense competition from Netflix, Amazon etc., mentions importance of radio, supports digital radio over internet streaming for future medium. Advocates for mid-term review in light of rapid technological changes, endorses Ofcom regulation with caveats on avoiding press regulation via backdoor methods. Emphasises the moral and economic necessity of diversity, praises progress but warns against backlash. Criticises competitive content fund as insufficient and counterproductive.
Julian Lewis
Con
New Forest East
Expresses concern over decision to move responsibility for free licence fee for the over-75s from Government to BBC. Appeals to Secretary of State through Minister, requests delay in implementation of recommendation to close Caversham Park and reduce funding for BBC Monitoring until Defence and Foreign Affairs Committees have visited the site.
Julian Lewis
Con
New Forest East
Lewis interjected briefly in response to Vaizey's comments, but did not provide substantial contribution.
Eleanor Laing
Con
Epping Forest
Laing advised Members on the structure of the debate and urged them to respect a 10-minute speaking limit for everyone to participate equally.
Helen Goodman
Labour Co-operative
Bishop Auckland
Goodman criticised the proposed changes to the BBC charter, arguing that they undermine its independence and reflect Lord Reith's original vision. She pointed out specific concerns regarding the impact on competition, censorship possibilities, radio programme production outsourcing, and the composition of the new governing body for the BBC.
Kelly Tolhurst
Con
Rochester and Strood
The BBC is one of Britain's most beloved cultural institutions, playing a significant role in education, inspiration, entertainment, and promoting Britain globally. However, changes are necessary to address governance issues and changing viewing habits. The new charter and agreement will maintain the BBC’s independence and ensure it adapts to modern broadcasting and digital environments, enhancing its distinctiveness of content while also improving financial oversight through expanded roles for the National Audit Office and Ofcom.
Chris Evans
Lab Co-op
Caerphilly
The BBC is sometimes used as a political football. It's crucial to protect its independence from Government influence, especially in terms of editorial freedom and cultural integrity. The BBC must be given the best chance to compete in a rapidly changing technological landscape while ensuring it retains impartiality and continues to provide high-quality public service broadcasting.
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Winchester
The BBC receives £3.7 billion of public money annually, and it is capable of funding free TV licences for over-75s due to the additional £18 billion in income up to 2021 provided by the licence fee settlement. There is significant agreement between the Government and the BBC on key issues like the funding of free licences for over-75s, with the corporation supporting this deal. The BBC should be more open about its spending, especially regarding top talent salaries, as it does not disclose these figures to taxpayers. Local radio services are undervalued within the BBC, yet they provide crucial local journalism and news coverage that no other organisation can match. The Government's decision to make Ofcom the external regulator of the BBC is a fairer and more transparent arrangement.
Gregory Campbell
DUP
East Londonderry
Asked Peter Heaton-Jones if the BBC should consider sending fewer reporters for large sporting events when considering how to fund free TV licences for over-75s, suggesting this could be an area where the BBC can save money.
Dwyfor Meirionnydd
The BBC enjoys a unique position in Wales with higher consumption and appreciation compared to other UK nations. Between 2006-2015, there was a significant reduction in funding for English-language TV output in Wales by about 30%. The lack of distinctly Welsh content has raised concerns among stakeholders. Dr John Geraint highlighted that English-language television in Wales no longer represents the full life of the nation. There is misinformation regarding which government bodies are responsible for services in Wales, with fewer than half aware it's the Labour Welsh Government and not Westminster. The BBC should allocate investment closer to 2006/07 levels for English language programming in Wales to address this issue. A unitary board member from Wales will be appointed but there are concerns about potential political influence. There is a call for greater answerability to the National Assembly for Wales, and maintaining or enhancing external regulatory roles such as Ofcom's Welsh representation. The charter should make it explicit that the BBC has a duty to reflect the whole UK in its services by having a non-news genre commissioning editor based in each nation.
Chris Evans
Lab Co-op
Caerphilly
Asked Liz Saville-Roberts about promoting the Welsh language through selling programmes like “The Killing” and “Wallander”, and suggested an emphasis on Welsh programmes being exported with subtitles.
Dwyfor Meirionnydd
Agreed that Wales could learn from selling programmes like “The Killing” to mainstream channels. Emphasised the importance of iPlayer in presenting Welsh-medium and S4C productions to a wider audience. Advocated for decentralising commissioning arrangements so more big decisions are made in Wales, and suggested creating separate service licences for each nation to better prioritise funding. Welcomed the review into S4C’s governance and funding but regretted it would not be published until next year.
Alberto Costa
Con
South Leicestershire
Spoke against amendment (a), arguing that it is a tool for the SNP to undermine the UK, not about furthering devolution. Cited YouGov polls showing 63% of Scots want current BBC news output to continue. He argued Scottish journalists already make it onto the UK stage at the BBC and it's important for Scots to see what’s happening in other parts of the UK, especially given England is larger in terms of population.
Clarified that the Scottish Six news programme would still include news from the rest of the UK within its coverage.
Alberto Costa
Con
South Leicestershire
The arrogance of SNP Members knows no end. They say that there is editorial independence, but now they are telling us exactly what this Scottish Six will contain. It is a farce of tragic proportions. The truth is that the people of England, including my constituents, should know about the SNP’s terrible record. For example, on higher education, fewer disadvantaged students go on to higher education in Scotland than in England. I think my constituents would like to know that.
Richard Arkless
SNP
East Dunbartonshire
Free tuition fees exist in Scotland so UK citizens will be lumbered with tens of thousands of pounds of debt, whereas they would not be in Scotland. The SNP is comfortable with this position.
Alberto Costa
Con
South Leicestershire
The hon. Gentleman may be comfortable, but the higher education institutes of Scotland are not comfortable, and it is imperative that we hear that across the United Kingdom. Why are there fewer disadvantaged students going on to higher education in Scotland than in England? It is because of the SNP’s appalling track record.
Deidre Brock
SNP
Glasgow North West
The debate over the future of the BBC has become another venue for an argument rather than a consideration of the future of public service broadcasting. The SNP is in favour of high-quality public broadcasting serving the people and believes that the BBC is overly London-centric, patronising towards regions outside London, and not sufficiently reflecting Scotland’s interests.
Huw Merriman
Con
Bexhill and Battle
Argues that the BBC should be in a better place to decide objectively on where to focus rather than individual Members who are very parochial.
Deidre Brock
SNP
Glasgow North West
BBC Scotland should shout out loud if it is being underfunded and Scottish programming should be Scottish, not only reflecting Scotland but reporting the world through a Scottish vision. Additionally, she suggests giving MG Alba similar funding as S4C and placing them on an equal footing.
Nigel Huddleston
Con
Droitwich and Evesham
Expresses sympathy with the argument that the BBC is extraordinarily London-centric. Mentions that in the midlands, probably one of the worst-served areas, the BBC licence fee spend is £12.40 per head versus £757 in London.
Deidre Brock
SNP
Glasgow North West
Welcomes the movement towards including the devolved Administrations in decisions about the future of the BBC but believes it needs to go further. She calls for editorial and financial independence for BBC Scotland.
Patrick Grady
SNP
Glasgow North
Raises concern at the tendency of the Foreign Office to start classifying some of the money spent on the World Service as ‘overseas development assistance’, which diverts funds from their intended purpose.
Alberto Costa
Con
South Leicestershire
Asked to give way during Deidre Brock's speech but did not contribute a full position.
Nigel Huddleston
Con
Droitwich and Evesham
Congratulated bodies and institutions involved in the consultation process, praised the draft charter for governance and independence changes, emphasised Ofcom's role in oversight, supported revealing talent salaries over £150k, expressed sympathy but disagreement with Scottish Six.
Kwasi Kwarteng
Con
Spelthorne
Praised the BBC as an excellent institution, discussed future technological changes and potential health checks in the charter, questioned the fairness of the licence fee, emphasised the importance of measuring diversity progress, and criticised the notion that the BBC has suffered cuts.
Alberto Costa
Con
South Leicestershire
The language being used in the debate is an example of separatist rhetoric trying to drive a wedge between the Scots and the English, or in this case, the London media.
Huw Merriman
Con
Wirral West
Welcomes the new BBC charter and the compromises made by the Government and the BBC. Emphasises the importance of the 11-year duration of the charter to prevent political interference during elections or referendums. Welcomes the licence fee guarantee for the next 11 years, the closure of the iPlayer loophole, and the phasing out of ring-fencing for broadband roll-out. Highlights the BBC's significant contribution to original British programmes despite only receiving 25% of UK TV revenues.
Louise Haigh
Lab
Sheffield Heeley
The BBC charter renewal is a chance to strengthen and adapt the organisation for its next decade. While broadly approving of this new version, there are concerns about NAO role and distinctiveness requirement interpretation by Ofcom. The commitment to diversity must be broadened, with better representation on screen and off in terms of race, sex, age, and ability. The BBC should see talent across all social classes, not just a stereotype of the white posh kid with good education and right contacts. It is important for the organisation to accurately report and portray lives of all people in all regions of the UK. The Government’s negotiation style over the last licence-fee settlement was underhand and aggressive, suggesting outsourcing welfare policy to an unaccountable entity. Labour will support a strong, independent, well-funded national broadcaster but will return to the issue during Committee stage.
Matthew Hancock
Con
Folkestone and Hythe
The debate concludes the charter review process with a positive outcome. Matthew Hancock emphasises diversity, radio content distinctiveness, appointments and governance, over-75s deal, and contestable fund as critical issues debated during this period.
Michael Gove
Con
Spelthorne
Gove addresses the apparent differences between his right hon. Friends the Members for Maldon and Wantage regarding the contestable fund, stating that while there are slight differences, their views complement each other in reinforcing the overall wisdom of the reforms introduced.
Matthew Hancock
Con
Wantage
Discussed the differences between right hon. Friends on the contestable fund, confirmed £60 million funding for two to three years with an assessment at the end of the pilot period. Supported the mid-term review process but clarified it is not a charter review. Confirmed that the National Audit Office will assess value for money and cover publicly funded areas as per Comptroller and Auditor General rules. Disagreed with concerns over listed events raised by hon. Friend, stating they would keep it under review. Advocated for salary transparency in publicly funded posts but acknowledged BBC studios’ commercial nature under the charter. Emphasised broadcasting’s national importance and rejected SNP amendment for political control of the BBC.
Government Response
Acknowledged cross-party support for the direction of travel regarding diversity in the BBC, highlighting social background as an important aspect. Discussed various aspects including contestable fund, mid-term review process, National Audit Office involvement, listed events concerns, salary transparency, and rejected SNP amendment due to concerns over political control of the BBC.
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