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BBC WHITE PAPER
08 June 2016
Lead MP
Maria Eagle
Debate Type
General Debate
Tags
Culture, Media & Sport
Other Contributors: 54
At a Glance
Maria Eagle raised concerns about bbc white paper in the House of Commons. A government minister responded. Other MPs also contributed.
How the Debate Unfolded
MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said:
Lead Contributor
Opened the debate
The new BBC charter will form one of the legacies of the Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport. The BBC is a revered, trusted national institution to which we all contribute, of which we can all be proud, and on which we all rely for much of our quality programming. In addition, it is admired around the world. It enables us to project the United Kingdom’s influence and soft power across the globe. I do not believe that the White Paper produced by the Secretary of State rises to this challenge as it may undermine the BBC’s editorial and financial independence.
Pete Wishart
SNP
Perth and Kinross-shire
The results of a Government survey show that the highest levels of dissatisfaction with the BBC were found in Scotland. This suggests that we need to address this issue creatively, potentially by establishing a federal BBC throughout the United Kingdom and introducing a 'Scottish Six' service produced and directed from Scotland.
Maria Eagle
Lab
Liverpool Garston
The BBC should be better able to reflect the nations and regions of this country in the way it produces news and other programmes. However, the policy prescriptions suggested by the hon. Gentleman may not represent the right way forward. The Government must ensure that there is no question of Government influence on editorial decision-making.
Damian Green
13:29:00
The BBC does not feel undermined by the Government’s proposals and welcomed them, indicating public support for the BBC. The hon. Lady's concern is that the future of the BBC for the next 11 years will be decided by the Government of the day.
Maria Eagle
Lab
Liverpool Garston
The proposed new unitary board will run the BBC, with responsibility for setting the overall editorial direction and framework. The Secretary of State plans to enable Ministers to appoint up to half the new board members, including the chair and deputy chair. This creates an unprecedented power for the Government directly to influence those responsible for editorial matters at the BBC.
Nigel Huddleston
Con
Droitwich and Evesham
The appointment of the board members, including the chair, will be subject to a confirmatory hearing before the Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee. The appointments of other members of the board will be subject to discussions with the Governments of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
Maria Eagle
Lab
Liverpool Garston
Ms Eagle argues against the Secretary of State’s proposals, highlighting concerns over public appointments integrity, editorial independence, regulatory influence on programming, financial autonomy, and a proposed contestable pot. She advocates for an independent process to appoint new board members and opposes any interference that might undermine BBC's mission.
John Pugh
Lib Dem
Hazel Grove
Mr Pugh inquires about the level of parliamentary accountability regarding the BBC, questioning whether increased transparency is necessary. He seeks clarification on Maria Eagle’s stance towards improving parliamentary scrutiny over the organisation.
Sammy Wilson
DUP
East Antrim
Wilson questions if ITV has valid concerns about the BBC’s advantage in acquiring programmes due to its licence fee funding, suggesting this may impact competition and ratings.
Maria Eagle
Lab
Liverpool Garston
Eagle argues that high-quality programming benefits all sectors of broadcasting and criticises the Secretary of State for micromanaging the BBC. She also highlights public support for the BBC, emphasising the need to address concerns about the Government's proposals.
Dawn Butler
Lab
Brent East
Butler supports her colleague’s assertion that the Secretary of State should focus on enhancing diversity within the BBC rather than micromanaging it.
Maldon
Whittingdale moves an amendment to note the positive response from the BBC and outlines extensive consultations held during the charter review process, emphasising the diversity of stakeholders involved. He dismisses criticisms as unfounded.
Pete Wishart
SNP
Perth and Kinross-shire
Wishart raises concerns about the BBC’s representation of Scotland and inquires what measures will be taken to address lower satisfaction levels among Scottish viewers.
Maldon
Whittingdale acknowledges dissatisfaction with the BBC's coverage of Scotland but argues against a federal structure for the BBC, emphasising its role as a UK-wide broadcaster. He outlines plans for representation on the board and new service licences to address concerns.
Julian Knight
Con
West Bromwich West
Knight points out that Scotland has greater representation compared to some regions in England, such as the west midlands, under the proposed arrangement.
Maldon
Whittingdale explains that while there will be a non-executive member for England on the BBC board, specific regions like the west midlands do not have dedicated representation. He stresses the importance of the BBC reflecting every part of the country in its programming and investment.
Deidre Brock
SNP
Glasgow North West
Brock asks for further details on the composition and selection process of sub-committees for each nation under the new arrangement proposed by the White Paper.
Sammy Wilson
DUP
East Antrim
Wilson questioned whether there would be opportunities to reconsider the licence fee or impose greater financial controls if after five years no reform had taken place, highlighting inefficiencies at the BBC.
Maldon
Responding to Wilson's concern, Whittingdale explained that stronger financial controls are already being put in place through increased oversight by the National Audit Office to ensure maximum value for money for licence fee payers.
Knight asked about the mid-term review and whether it would assess progress on access for independent producers as outlined in the White Paper. Whittingdale responded affirmatively, stating that the targets are already set out in the charter and any non-compliance could be addressed before the health check.
Dawn Butler
Lab
Brent East
Butler thanked the Minister for Culture and the Digital Economy for securing recordings of “The Real McCoy” and invited him along with Whittingdale to a special screening in Parliament with a Q&A session.
Maldon
Whittingdale expressed delight at Butler's praise for the Minister and addressed concerns about transparency, stating that while the initial publication limit was set at £450,000, he hoped the BBC would consider going further in terms of transparency.
Dodds questioned why the threshold for publishing pay packages had been raised to £450,000 and expressed hope that more transparency could be achieved. Whittingdale acknowledged public concerns but noted that this was a compromise between government and BBC.
Goodman suggested reviewing the publication threshold downwards at the five-year point. Whittingdale indicated support for greater transparency, encouraging the BBC to consider this feedback.
Helen Grant
Con
Maidstone and Malling
The contestable pot's diversity figures are about 6% at senior management level. The make-up of Ofcom needs to better reflect the population of the United Kingdom, especially with its regulatory requirements on diversity.
Sammy Wilson
DUP
East Antrim
Asked if one of the benefits for the BBC will be access to databases from Sky and other broadcasters so that it can identify non-licence fee payers, which would help enforce the licence fee requirement.
Welcomed the opportunity to speak about the BBC after the publication of the Government’s White Paper on charter renewal. Criticised some proposals that were wild and impractical during the process, mentioning newspaper fabrications and government kite-flying tactics.
Asked if John Nicolson had any constructive criticisms of the BBC despite being a cheerleader for it at its best times. The BBC is not unsurpassed 90% of the time.
Sammy Wilson
DUP
East Antrim
Suggests that the BBC will continue its current bias, even with new board members chosen by a public appointments committee.
Expresses concern over political pressure on non-executive board members and emphasises the need for independent board members to ensure editorial independence. He also raises concerns about low satisfaction ratings in Scotland (48%) and calls for a separate Scottish BBC board, more relevant content, and fairer news coverage during the referendum.
Maldon
Questions whether John Nicolson's stance is against political influence on non-executive directors or opposes giving the Scottish Government a say in appointments.
Argues for a board that reflects society, suggesting it should include those who are centrist or even slightly to the right.
Raises concerns about budget cuts to BBC Alba by the Chancellor and questions the Government's motives towards the BBC.
John Nicolson
SNP
East Dunbartonshire
There have been rumours of political interference in the BBC's Scottish output, specifically regarding the 'Scottish Six'. The Secretary of State has stated previously that he does not want to interfere with decisions made by the BBC. However, recent statements suggest otherwise. This could undermine the independence of the BBC and its editorial integrity. It is important for the Government to respect the constituent nations' views on this matter.
Maldon
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Order was given to limit speeches to 10 minutes so that the debate can conclude by 4.30 pm.
Julian Knight
Con
Solihull
The BBC is an important institution in the UK, but it needs reforms to ensure its long-term sustainability and relevance. The broadcasting model based on live broadcasts is outdated, and the corporation has expanded beyond its original remit, sometimes smothering independent local journalism. There is a need for genuine regional diversity and support for the private sector. The licence fee is regressive and does not fit the modern world of multi-platform working.
Liz McInnes
Lab
Heywood and Middleton
The BBC's move to Salford has improved its diversity, with more northern accents heard on radio. However, there is a need for genuine regional diversity in the English regions as well.
Deidre Brock
SNP
Glasgow North West
The BBC should be recognised as an envy of countries around the world due to its public service broadcasting role. In Australia, the Australian Broadcasting Corporation has faced budget cuts over the years, which is a negative example.
Julian Knight
Con
Solihull
We must not be reckless with the BBC. It needs to move on and transition from the licence fee, which is ultimately the only way it can wean itself off it. Opening up more production contracts to independent companies will allow them to compete for public broadcasting funding but there must be clear targets for such diversification so that Ministers and MPs can hold BBC managers to account.
Steve Pound
Lab
Wallsend
The BBC is an utterly unique institution, above logic in its structure on paper. However, it works uniquely well as a British organisation and we should be proud of this special BBC. The hon. Member for East Dunbartonshire's comments about left-leaning individuals may secure him a place on the BBC News papers review.
Graham Jones
Lab
West Lancashire
The Secretary of State’s proposals threaten to undermine the BBC’s independence, remit and purpose. The new unitary board with potentially up to half of its members appointed by Ministers could compromise impartiality. Five-year reviews are political tools that prevent long-term planning. Commercial rivals bidding for licence fee money will erode financial independence. Public opinion is against these measures which threaten UK influence abroad.
Huw Merriman
Con
Bexhill and Battle
Merriman thanked Maria Eagle for the debate, praising the BBC as a national institution that costs licence fee payers just 40p per day. He argued that the BBC is crucial for social mobility, sharing his personal experience of using it despite academic failure early on in life. Merriman stated he supported the Government's charter renewal for an 11-year period and refuted claims of bias or threat to editorial independence. He welcomed the addition of 'distinctive' to the founding mission statement but sought clarity on health checks and diversity targets.
Deidre Brock
SNP
Edinburgh North and Leith
Brock questioned Merriman's criticism of those who label the BBC as having a left-wing bias, referencing his own election result.
Graham Jones
Lab
Hyndburn
Jones inquired about the impact of 'distinctiveness' on sports broadcasting and expressed concern over potential conflicts arising from an 11-year charter renewal following a general election.
Helen Goodman
Lab
Bishop Auckland
I am very pleased to have the opportunity to speak in the debate. The BBC is a fantastic organisation for us as a country because of its exceptionally high quality and variety of output, and internationally due to the 350 million people who watch or listen to it annually. It provides financial support for the creative sector and supports journalism where there's no free media. However, I fear that the current moves will not give it the adequate financial and independence support required. Despite welcoming the five-year licence fee guarantee and extension to iPlayer watchers, concerns remain about cuts in rolling news services and convergence between the Executive and BBC trust due to Government-appointed board members. Additionally, merging world and national rolling news channels and contracting out 60% of radio content raises issues. I question whether financing local news through the licence fee is appropriate.
Graham Jones
Lab
West Lancashire
Agrees with Helen Goodman on the issue of creating a monopoly for Sky News if the BBC's resources are reduced, emphasising the role of competition provided by the BBC.
Glyn Davies
Con
Montgomeryshire
It is an important responsibility for the Government to develop and agree on the role and scope of the BBC through charter review and renewal. The huge success of the BBC means it becomes dominant in many markets, requiring a role for government to ensure positive diversity impact. Although there's widespread support for the White Paper across the House, criticism from time to time is necessary as with any successful organisation. The proposal about lowering payment package levels from £450,000 to £150,000 has some merit. Concerns are raised about the relationship between S4C and BBC given that 90% of S4C's funding now comes from the BBC through the licence fee.
Tommy Sheppard
SNP
Eastinburgh and Musselburgh
The speaker emphasises the need for public service broadcasting, criticising a potential commercial approach that prioritises viewership over innovation. He supports the BBC's independence from government interference and argues against further privatisation of the organisation. Tommy highlights the importance of decentralisation within the BBC to enhance local programming quality and diversity, citing examples like 'Peaky Blinders' and regional dramas produced by decentralised production teams in Scotland and Wales. He also stresses the need for a federal structure where Scottish licence fees fund Scottish broadcasting, supporting the creative industries locally. Concerning the impartiality of BBC Scotland news programmes, he warns that any bias towards maintaining UK unity could alienate half of the population and calls for clear guidance to reflect diverse opinions.
Liz McInnes
Lab
Heywood and Middleton
I am pleased to contribute to this debate. I want to focus on just one aspect of the White Paper—the proposal to modernise the licence fee by closing the iPlayer loophole, requiring all those who access BBC on-demand content to pay the licence fee. That will have a real impact on our students. The Government consulted on adding on-demand programme services to the TV licence framework and that under the new proposals, all individuals will need to be covered by a TV licence if they stream or download TV programmes through on-demand services provided by the BBC. Yet an examination of the consultation results shows that 59.8% of responses said no change was needed, with only 15.1% supporting reform. Although significant sources were consulted, students have not been properly represented in this discussion. A petition has gathered over 17,000 signatures urging for exemptions for students to watch BBC iPlayer on demand without paying a TV licence fee. The NUS vice-president of welfare stated that the iPlayer offers access to BBC radio and archive material which could be essential academic resources, and that there is no spare cash among students to cover this proposed additional cost.
John Pugh
Lab
Southport
I congratulate the hon. Member for Heywood and Middleton on introducing a new angle to the debate. My uncle used to argue from the 1970s that the BBC was run by communists, but it is internationally respected due to its obligations and values—duties to inform, educate, foster cultural development and encourage democratic thought. The model of public sector broadcasting is paternalistic which means building challenges into the system for effectiveness. We want a broadcaster to make an effort to challenge itself internally as well as externally from other media sources.
Mhairi Black
SNP
Paisley and Renfrewshire North
We would make exactly the same point in Scotland that everything is reported from a London-centric perspective. This is part of the problem and accounts for some dissatisfaction with the BBC.
Chi Onwurah
Lab
Newcastle upon Tyne Central and West
We have had a high-quality and thoughtful debate. The Secretary of State was able to take a break from his true love—campaigning in the EU referendum—to be here. Members on all sides spoke positively about the BBC’s contribution, its cultural power around the world, and its role as one of the cornerstones of our £84 billion creative industries. I agree with the hon. Member for Bexhill and Battle (Huw Merriman) but cannot share his complacency about the review. Many Members voiced concerns about the charter renewal process, editorial independence, financial independence, and the BBC’s future mission. Several hon. Members spoke of the key role public sector broadcasters play in supporting our creative industries and the importance of cultural sector organisations like the BBC. The Secretary of State seems to aim to diminish the BBC, undermine its finances and independence, and insist that it distances itself from successful broadcasting, which is wrong. We on the Labour Benches see a flourishing BBC and think how we can support it and make it even better. A great deal of concern has been expressed about the effect of the charter on the BBC’s independence.
Julian Knight
Con
Solihull
Responded to Chi Onwurah's intervention by stating that post-production influence is perfectly right and proper, suggesting it will not have a chilling effect.
Ed Vaizey
Con
Oxford West and Abingdon
Defended the BBC's independence under the new unitary board structure, emphasised the importance of the BBC to him personally, highlighted initiatives for enhancing coverage in nations and regions such as Scotland, discussed the break clause as a mechanism for adapting to technological changes, mentioned the incorporation of diversity into the charter for the first time, acknowledged concerns about iPlayer loophole but argued it was necessary to modernise the licence fee.
Government Response
The Secretary of State presents extensive evidence supporting the Government's approach to the BBC Charter Review, emphasising public consultation and expert input. He addresses concerns about Scottish representation and reiterates that the BBC must serve all regions of the UK.
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