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BBC: DIVERSITY
14 April 2016
Lead MP
David Lammy
Debate Type
General Debate
Tags
EmploymentCulture, Media & Sport
Other Contributors: 44
At a Glance
David Lammy raised concerns about bbc: diversity in the House of Commons. A government minister responded. Other MPs also contributed.
How the Debate Unfolded
MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said:
Lead Contributor
Opened the debate
The motion notes the cultural role of the BBC, expresses concern over a decline in ethnic diversity in the UK creative media sector since 2012, and calls for a more ambitious target than 14.2% for representation by black, Asian and minority ethnic people. It urges the government to ensure that the BBC charter renewal reflects these concerns and supports equal opportunities for workforce diversification.
David Lammy
Lab
Tottenham
He acknowledges the importance of diversity in the creative industries, highlights the decline in ethnic representation since 2012, pays tribute to individuals advocating for diversity such as Lenny Henry and Idris Elba, and notes that the issue extends beyond ethnicity to include gender, LGBTQ+, disability, and class. He cites statistics from City University's survey showing a decrease in BAME representation, with directors UK highlighting critically low numbers of BAME directors in TV production.
Supports the argument for greater diversity by citing an example where 60,000 Gaelic speakers produced significant talent and programmes when given opportunity. He implies that similar results would be seen if such opportunities were extended to other underrepresented groups.
David Lammy
Lab
Tottenham
The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right... The talent exists. Can we now bring it forward and get the change that is required?... Since its inception at Alexandra Palace in Haringey, my home borough, the BBC has time and again proved its worth as a national broadcaster in the quality, depth and breadth of its output.
Gareth Thomas
Lab Co-op
Harrow West
Given the lack of diversity at the very top of the BBC, on its board, is it not now time to think about having a radical reorganisation of the BBC’s top management, potentially with elected directors for the board?
David Lammy
Lab
Tottenham
My hon. Friend is good at radical ideas—he is known for them—and that is certainly one... Clearly we have come to a point—perhaps that is why the issue is on the Floor of the House for the first time—where we want step change.
David Lammy
Lab
Tottenham
Critiques the BBC's diversity targets and compares them with those of other broadcasters like Sky. Highlights Channel 4’s more stringent guidelines for diversity in programming and production teams. Points out that the BBC is less transparent regarding its agreements with independent production companies and the specifics of its diversity requirements, citing a FOI request rejection as an example. Advocates for clearer inclusion of diversity requirements in the new BBC charter, proposing specific commitments to reflect the UK's diverse population accurately. Suggests structural changes, similar to those made for regional representation, are necessary to address under-representation. Emphasises that funding mechanisms should be implemented to drive real change.
Raises concerns about transparency and openness in the BBC's representation of political parties on programmes like “Question Time” and “Any Questions”. Compares SNP's current representation with historical Liberal Democrat participation, suggesting a lack of clear data or answers from broadcasters.
Gareth Thomas
Lab Co-op
Harrow West
Thomas suggests that ordinary licence fee payers should have a direct say in who runs the BBC, especially regarding accountability questions on diversity.
Clive Lewis
Lab
Norwich South
Lewis proposes redacting not only names but also schools and universities from job applications to mitigate the impact of prestigious education backgrounds on recruitment.
Julie Elliott
Lab
Sunderland Central
I congratulate my right hon. Friend on securing this debate and acknowledge the issues raised about diversity at the BBC, but I feel strongly that the organisation needs to do better in terms of regional diversity and fair funding. The north of England contributes significantly to the licence fee yet receives less funding compared to other regions such as Wales and London. The BBC must develop a commissioning strategy that encourages production across all parts of the country. Additionally, representation of diverse experiences on television, radio, and online is crucial for fostering shared experiences in British society.
Andrew Turner
Con
Isle of Wight
I congratulate the right hon. Member for Tottenham on securing this debate but I am concerned about the lack of impartiality at the BBC, especially regarding political opinions. The three safeguards intended to ensure impartiality—editorial guidelines, impartiality reviews, and public feedback—are insufficient as they fail to identify systematic bias effectively. For instance, the UK Independence party's representation dropped by 50% over five years but was justified as being covered by the Conservative party. This undermines trust in BBC output.
Chuka Umunna
Lab
Stockton South
I congratulate my right hon. Friend on initiating the debate and question whether the Daily Mail is a reliable arbiter of impartiality at the BBC, considering its political leanings.
Dawn Butler
Lab
Brent East
The importance of representation on television is paramount for diverse audiences to see themselves reflected accurately. There needs to be a focus on hiring more diverse staff, including commissioners and producers, to ensure accurate portrayal of different communities.
Chuka Umunna
Lab
Streatham
Diverse representation in the media is crucial for reflecting society accurately. The lack of diversity among commissioning editors and producers leads to stereotyping and inadequate portrayal of various communities, particularly Muslim communities.
Gareth Thomas
Lab Co-op
Harrow West
Proposed an idea for electing the BBC board members independently to ensure genuine independence from government influence.
Dawn Butler
Lab
Brent East
Proposes an advisory board modelled after Ofcom’s committees to provide detailed expert insight into challenges facing citizens and consumers in different parts of the UK. Emphasises that Black, Asian and minority ethnic interests would be represented on Ofcom's content board and Communications Consumer Panel, noting that the BAME community currently represents a larger proportion of the population than any specific nation apart from England but often makes up less than 12% of advisory boards.
Angus MacNeil
SNP
Supports Dawn Butler's ambitions for ethnic minority representation, encouraging that their voice should be stronger than those of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
Lindsay Hoyle
Speaker
Chorley
Reminds Members of the informal 10-minute limit to allow intervening members to speak.
Dawn Butler
Lab
Brent East
Calls for an investigation into whether the BBC has lost the archive of 'The Real McCoy', a popular show, and expresses concern that online media may take over if the BBC does not adapt to new platforms. She emphasises the importance of diverse representation in the BBC's output.
Gareth Thomas
Lab Co-op
Harrow West
Advocates for a mutual form of governance at the top, where licence fee payers elect board directors to ensure more diverse and representative BBC output. Criticises the current system's accountability gap and ownership deficit. Suggests that elected representatives would have to secure election by taking into account the need for diverse output.
Angus MacNeil
SNP
Na h-Eileanan an Iar
Diversity in broadcasting, especially the representation of different languages and cultures within the BBC. Emphasised the importance of reflecting Scotland's diverse linguistic heritage on television and radio, highlighting examples like BBC Alba and the impact of reducing its funding. Also mentioned issues with the BBC weather map's geographical accuracy for Scotland.
Drew Hendry
SNP
Inverness Nigg And Ross
Supported his colleague by criticising the Department for Culture, Media and Sport for cutting £1 million from BBC Alba’s budget while allocating £150 million to museums in London. He stressed the need for diverse funding across UK broadcasting.
Kirsten Oswald
SNP
Inverclyde
She comments on the BBC's close identification with London and its lack of representation for diverse communities. She highlights how BBC governors have been predominantly from political backgrounds, often members or ex-members of the House of Lords, which has limited diversity within the organisation. Oswald also criticises the BBC’s approach to Scotland’s expenditure quota and advocates for more local commissioning in Scotland. She emphasises the importance of reflecting diverse voices on screen and expresses concern about diminishing support for public service broadcasting due to the BBC's resistance to demands from different communities.
Rupa Huq
Lab
Ealing Central and Acton
She reflects on her early experiences with television, noting that even during her childhood in the 1970s, there was a lack of representation for ethnic minorities. She welcomes the debate initiated by Mr Lammy and acknowledges that while progress has been made since then, both TV and politics still have room to improve regarding diversity.
Kwasi Kwarteng
15:43:00
I am sorry to interrupt the hon. Lady’s speech, but I have sat through 45 minutes of this debate—I apologise that I was not here at the beginning, Mr Deputy Speaker—and must point out that this is an issue across the media. I suggest to the hon. Lady that the situation in this House, though bad, is considerably better than that across a large portion of the print media. This is a broader problem, not just one at the BBC, and it is a much more acute problem at newspapers, magazines and across the print media.
Rupa Huq
Lab
Ealing Central and Acton
I completely agree with the hon. Gentleman. I think that at The Guardian newspaper, they have all been to one of the two greatest—sorry, oldest—universities in this nation. I went to one of them myself, so perhaps I should not say that—pot calling kettle and all that... That is a hazard for people with a name like mine or the hon. Gentleman’s. The sooner we take steps to acknowledge and address this situation, as we are doing today, the better. He is right that this is a sector-wide issue across the media.
Kwasi Kwarteng
15:43:00
Indeed, I was. The Guardian is the only newspaper that consistently misspells my name. I just wanted to get that out.
Rupa Huq
Lab
Ealing Central and Acton
That is a hazard for people with a name like mine or the hon. Gentleman’s. The sooner we take steps to acknowledge and address this situation, as we are doing today, the better. He is right that this is a sector-wide issue across the media... A current programme I would cite, which has been going since 2012, is “Citizen Khan”. If I did not know what the year was—I do not know if people know that programme. It is the everyday tale of a Birmingham family of Muslims, but they are really quite backward.
Helen Grant
Con
Maidstone and Malling
I just want to give a contrast to the terrible programmes the hon. Lady has recalled, which I remember too. I want to mention one positive and diverse story that I saw this morning on “BBC Breakfast”. It was about the 276 girls from Chibok in Nigeria who were abducted by Boko Haram. It was a brilliant story that was well done and well produced.
Rupa Huq
Lab
Ealing Central and Acton
The hon. Lady’s excellent point anticipates a later part of my speech, which is about the difference between black and Asian people over there, compared with the ones here... We need to know what is happening at board level. To go back to my couch potato days, Michael Buerk’s reporting on Ethiopia in the 1980s put the issues underlying what became LiveAid and BandAid on the agenda, but there is a worry that sometimes factual broadcasting can resort to clichés, showing gangs, or Muslims who are repressed.
Liz McInnes
Lab
Rochdale
Congratulates the Member for Tottenham on securing this debate and hon. Members for Maidstone and The Weald, and East Renfrewshire on their contributions. Highlights the importance of diversity in representation, focusing on disabled people's under-representation and the need to reflect 18% of the population accurately. Raises concerns about women’s under-representation as experts or commentators in news and current affairs broadcasting.
Drew Hendry
SNP
Paisley and Renfrewshire North
Congratulates the right hon. Member for Tottenham on starting the debate, mentions the need for language diversity as highlighted by his colleague, and discusses the under-representation of disabled people. Also notes the current debate regarding Scottish football rights between the SPFL chairman Ralph Topping and the BBC.
Angus MacNeil
SNP
Na h-Eileanan an Iar
Supports Ralph Topping's demands for increased funding from the BBC for Scottish football broadcasts, noting that current rights are undervalued compared to Gary Lineker’s salary and a single production of “Match of the Day”.
Angus MacNeil
SNP
Na h-Eileanan an Iar
The BBC should redress past injustice by making good the deficit in its funding for sport in Scotland, considering that Scotland pays 10% of the licence fee.
Kwasi Kwarteng
Con
Epping Forest
While the situation is concerning, the price paid for rights can be market-driven. The BBC's £68 million payment for English premiership rights might reflect market conditions. However, Drew Hendry argues that this does not justify the disparity in Scottish football funding.
John Nicolson
SNP
Dunfermline and West Fife
The BBC must reflect the diversity of UK society more accurately on screen, both through representation and off-screen employment. There is a need for greater progress in representing under-represented groups such as ethnic minorities.
John Nicolson
SNP
Nairn, Aberdeenshire and Moray
Mr Nicolson discussed the underrepresentation of women over the age of 60 in prominent roles at the BBC, citing specific examples such as Miriam O’Reilly’s case. He also highlighted the scarcity of LGBT characters on screen, particularly in serious authoritative roles, and called for decentralisation and devolution of control to better reflect diverse nations and regions.
Angus MacNeil
SNP
Na h-Eileanan an Iar
Mr MacNeil pointed out that the BBC’s network news agenda is often Anglocentric, which can be detrimental to fair political coverage in Scotland. He supported the idea of local editorial control to ensure a more balanced and relevant news perspective.
John Nicolson
SNP
Nairn, Aberdeenshire and Moray
Mr Nicolson reiterated his support for decentralisation within the BBC to better reflect diverse nations and regions. He noted that while the SNP has been a critical voice regarding the BBC’s shortcomings, they remain supportive of public service broadcasting.
Chi Onwurah
Lab
Newcastle upon Tyne Central
Ms Onwurah thanked those who initiated and supported the debate. She highlighted the importance of diversity within the creative industries, noting that the BBC is failing to adequately represent BAME communities among its audience. She stressed the need for diverse representation across all aspects of broadcasting, from on-air talent to decision-makers.
Chi Onwurah
Lab
Newcastle upon Tyne Central and West
The MP highlighted the ongoing issue of BAME representation within the BBC, despite numerous initiatives. She called for more resources, targets, incentives, and monitoring to ensure accountability throughout management levels. Additionally, she praised Channel 4's efforts in diversity and urged the BBC to be similarly ambitious.
Ed Vaizey
Con
Wantage
The Minister responded positively to the debate, acknowledging its importance and praising the passionate speeches made by Members. He commended the right hon. Member for Tottenham on his speech regarding BME representation in broadcasting.
Lindsay Hoyle
Speaker
Chorley
The Speaker provided context about a parliamentary away day, explaining why some MPs might have left early to attend it.
David Lammy
Lab
Tottenham
Lammy thanked various individuals and organisations for their contributions towards the debate. He stated that a step change is needed, calling for action rather than rhetoric, with money playing a key role in achieving this goal. He emphasised the need for diversity to be centre stage during charter renewal, arguing that until leadership roles reflect modern Britain's demographics, significant progress will not have been made.
Government Response
Acknowledged the importance of diversity in broadcasting and praised speeches made during the debate. He also addressed various points raised, including regional representation, language diversity, and the desire for more Scottish football coverage on television.
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