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Covid-19 Update
20 October 2020
Lead MP
Matthew Hancock
Debate Type
Ministerial Statement
Tags
EmploymentCulture, Media & SportBusiness & TradeBenefits & WelfareLocal Government
Other Contributors: 40
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Matthew Hancock raised concerns about covid-19 update in the House of Commons. A government minister responded. Other MPs also contributed.
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MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said:
Government Statement
EmploymentCulture, Media & SportBusiness & TradeBenefits & WelfareLocal Government
Government Statement
Yesterday, Europe recorded its 7 millionth coronavirus case, with deaths in Germany and Italy doubling within a week. The Office for National Statistics figures show weekly deaths linked to coronavirus have risen to their highest level since the start of July. In Greater Manchester, there are more coronavirus infections already in October than in July, August, and September combined, with daily hospital admissions higher than on 26 March. There are now more covid-19 patients in Greater Manchester hospitals than in the whole of the south-west and south-east combined.
As a result, we have placed Greater Manchester into the very high local covid alert level starting at midnight on Friday. This means pubs and bars must close unless they serve substantial meals; households cannot mix indoors or in most outdoor settings; groups are limited to six in public outdoor spaces; and travel into and out of the area is strongly advised against. Additionally, casinos, bingo halls, betting shops, adult gaming centres, and soft play areas must also close.
A comprehensive package of support includes the job support scheme, ensuring those affected by business closures receive at least 80% of their normal income when topped up with universal credit. Up to £465 million is available for local authorities to implement and enforce restrictions, including Greater Manchester receiving £22 million. We are working closely with local leadership and have made a generous offer to support Manchester’s businesses, though the Mayor rejected it; our door remains open for further discussions.
Peter Bottomley
Con
Worthing West
Question
I think it is fair to say that the shadow Secretary of State has been moderate. He has not repeated his party leader’s call for a national lockdown, and people in areas where the virus has not jumped up very high will be grateful for that.
My father’s family came from Greater Manchester, and were they there now I think they would ask that the Mayor make an agreement with the Government, because public help and public health go together. If it is a proportionate offer, we have not heard the reason why it is inadequate in one place. If we want employment in the future, we need to have employers, and help is going to be needed for those who need and are struggling to keep their businesses going.
I also want to make one more point: down in Worthing, we are not getting our test results back all the time very fast. It is important that we do because a father or mother who has a child who may have symptoms may not be able to go to work as a teacher, and that ends up penalising all the children in the class.
Minister reply
I strongly agree with my hon. Friend, who puts it very clearly: the people of Greater Manchester would expect their local leaders to come to the table. That offer of support for local businesses remains there, alongside the support for strengthening test and trace and enforcement in Greater Manchester. I urge all the leaders of the nine boroughs of Greater Manchester to pick up the phone and work with us to make sure we can deliver this. Of course, that offer remains open for the Mayor if he wants to return to the table.
On the point about the testing in Worthing, I will absolutely look into whether there was a specific problem. The test turnaround times have come down as the capacity has rapidly expanded, and I will make sure I get back to my hon. Friend as soon as possible.
Question
While there may be a small minority who do not think of those around them, the majority of people try to follow the advice to reduce the spread of covid. We know that the virus spreads where people are in close contact. This is about not just pubs and nightclubs; it includes those in overcrowded housing, those in exposed jobs where working from home is not an option, and those on zero-hours contracts who simply will not get paid if they are not working. Does the Secretary of State not think it is a bit inappropriate for politicians with well-paid and secure jobs to suggest that rising covid cases in certain areas are just due to some form of misbehaviour requiring tougher penalties?
People want to do the right thing, whether due to restrictions or because they are infected themselves, but sometimes they feel that they have no option but to continue going out of the house. Although in general surveys the vast majority of people say that they would isolate if they caught covid, a study from King’s College London shows that less than 20% of those who develop symptoms go on to isolate. That was associated with financial hardship, social deprivation, having dependent children and working in key jobs that cannot be carried out from home.
Why is the Chancellor not continuing the full furlough scheme when we are heading into a second wave and the hardest winter that the NHS will ever have faced? There are still millions of people who have not received any support since March. Does the Secretary of State not recognise that, for those on low wages and in insecure work, the choice between staying at home and feeding their family just does not feel like a choice at all?
Minister reply
I agree with the hon. Lady that the majority of people try to follow the advice, and that the vast majority of people want to do the right thing. We introduced the £500 payment for those on low incomes precisely to support people to do that. We introduced it right across the UK, working with the Scottish Government, and there are signs that the uptake of that has allowed people to complete isolation when they need to, in order to keep others safe.
Jacob Young
Lib Dem
Richmond Park
Question
My right hon. Friend and his Department have engaged with me and my Tees Valley colleagues a number of times in recent weeks, and I thank him for that. He is well aware of my deep reservations about further restrictions on my constituents’ lives, liberties and livelihoods, particularly due to the mental health impact of these restrictions. Can he confirm that, while discussions are ongoing, there are no current plans to move Redcar and Cleveland into tier 3 restrictions? Will he also commit to working with me, Redcar and Cleveland Council, my Tees Valley colleagues and the Tees Valley Mayor, Ben Houchen, on any future changes?
Minister reply
Yes, we have been working very closely with the Tees Valley. The level 2 restrictions there were not something that we put into place lightly, but we followed the data. We will continue to follow the data and take the action that is needed—but only the action that is needed—and to engage with my hon. Friend and with the Mayor of Tees Valley, who is rising above party politics to do the right thing for the Tees Valley.
Pat McFadden
Lab
Wolverhampton South East
Question
Today marks a low point in the handling of this situation. Instead of reuniting people behind their approach, the Government have imposed this decision, leaving a bitter taste. There are other decisions still to come, and other regions are watching what has happened today, including my own in the west midlands. Can the Secretary of State assure the House that, as significant economic support is withdrawn at the end of this month, any decision on whether national restrictions are required will not be taken because that is cheaper and a means of avoiding adequate support for the businesses and workers concerned, because if that is the case, the public health measures and the economic measures will be pulling in two different directions?
Minister reply
Yes, absolutely. The extra support that we put into areas that go into tier 3 is a reflection of the need to ensure that that support is there when action has to be taken for public health reasons in order to control the virus.
Tom Hunt
Lab
City of Nottingham
Question
Today, Jonathan Van-Tam said in answer to a question that a national lockdown right now would be inappropriate for places such as East Anglia. Does my right hon. Friend therefore disagree with the decision of the Labour party and Ipswich Labour that now is the time to close down the entire hospitality sector in somewhere like Ipswich with low levels of covid, which employs thousands of my constituents?
Minister reply
I agree, of course, with what Professor Jonathan Van-Tam said. He is a very fine scientist and a brilliant man. Right now, no one is looking for political differences for politics’ sake. What people are looking for is for people to come together to make the right decisions in the national interest or the local interest.
Liz Twist
Lab
Blaydon
Question
Earlier, the Prime Minister said that he was still talking to the north-east. May I reiterate that, in the north-east, we believe that we should remain in tier 2 and are working hard to that end? What we do need is financial support for the test and trace work already being carried out effectively locally and financial support for our hospitality, leisure and retail sectors, which are taking the strain of current restrictions. Will the Secretary of State now fund the test and trace work being done so effectively locally, and urge the Chancellor to provide a financial support package for our hospitality, leisure and retail sectors within tier 2 to support our economy and local people?
Minister reply
We are working very closely with the local leadership in the north-east and with colleagues. It was very good to see the hon. Lady on a Zoom call recently to discuss this. It is important that we take the action if it is necessary, but there are early signs that the number of cases in the north-east is starting to flatten.
Sara Britcliffe
Con
Hyndburn
Question
In the last four weeks, the number of covid patients admitted to intensive care units in hospitals in some parts of the country has increased sevenfold. I agree with my right hon. Friend that we must act now to control the spread of the virus, but can he assure me that the Government are doing all that they can to keep cancer treatments, elective surgeries and other vital diagnostic services going?
Minister reply
I absolutely can give my hon. Friend that assurance. I had a meeting on this with the NHS only this week. The good news is that the backlog from the initial lockdown has been reduced: the number of very long waiters for cancer treatment—those waiting more than 104 days—has been reduced by 63%. We are working to keep that coming down.
Mike Hill
Con
Bolton West
Question
I, too, am working hard with Tees Valley colleagues to keep the area out of tier 3, but my constituents in Hartlepool are confused and seething with anger. They are concerned about moving to tier 3 with all the health and economic impacts that that will bring. We are not in tier 3 yet, but if we get there what exit strategy does the Secretary of State have for ending lockdown?
Minister reply
I agree with the hon. Gentleman on his assessment: Hartlepool is in tier 2 at the moment and I hope that we can keep it there, but we will keep it under review. The best exit strategy for anywhere that wants to go into a lower tier is for everybody to follow the rules, respect social distancing and try to get the case rate coming down.
Graham Brady
Con
Altrincham and Sale West
Question
Greater Manchester has lived under harsh additional restrictions for three months. May I put it to my right hon. Friend that lockdowns themselves cost lives as well as livelihoods, and that they take a terrible toll on mental health, particularly of the young? Does he accept that it is better to do these things, if they must be done, by consent? In that regard, will he confirm that these measures will be brought to the House for approval, and that in any case they will end with the sunset after 28 days?
Minister reply
I agree with my hon. Friend that these things are better done by consent, and in the parts of the country where the whole local area has supported the measures, through getting the right messages out to people about their personal responsibility, we do tend to get a better response and see the case rate starting to come down.
Christine Jardine
Lib Dem
Edinburgh West
Question
None of us doubts the grave threat to public health and the difficulty of dealing with it, but there is also now a widespread real threat of poverty, so whether the £60 million is on the table or off the table is immaterial; it is not what the elected representatives of Greater Manchester say they need. Do the Secretary of State and his Government appreciate that the people of Greater Manchester feel tonight that they have been abandoned by this Government, and that my constituents in Edinburgh West and people up and down the country will be wondering whether they will be abandoned next?
Minister reply
No. On the contrary, we are putting extra support into Greater Manchester, and we are willing to continue with the support akin to the support that we agreed with the leadership of the Liverpool city region and with Lancashire.
John Redwood
Con
Wokingham
Question
More action is needed to help livelihoods and save incomes, so will the Government share and, if necessary, develop their work with the commercial and public sectors on how air-conditioning systems, ventilation systems, heating systems and air-extraction systems can be adapted or improved so that more commercial and public buildings can be kept open for proper use?
Minister reply
Yes, absolutely; that is an incredibly important strand of work. It is being led by the Business Department, but I keep a close eye on it and, in fact, had an update on it this week.
Jim Shannon
DUP
Strangford
Question
Asked the Secretary of State for all that he is doing. There are many underlying health conditions, including respiratory illnesses; declared an interest as chair of the APPG on respiratory health. Given that respiratory illnesses are one of the leading causes of death in the UK—covid-19 included—what reassurances can he offer me and those people who suffer from them that referrals for severe asthma, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease and other respiratory illnesses will not be forgotten but will be maintained, and that further unnecessary deaths will be avoided?
Minister reply
Responded by saying they work very hard on this point. Answered both the question and a previous one from his hon. Friend about taking into account the overall health impacts: direct covid deaths; impact of measures on other conditions; NHS being open for all other conditions.
Question
Understood that talks are ongoing about South Yorkshire, which includes Rother Valley, going into a stricter lockdown. Before any decision is made, will my right hon. Friend agree to get agreement between councils and local MPs, so that local views, concerns and support can be agreed in advance, especially around mental health and local businesses?
Minister reply
Agreed with his hon. Friend. They were discussing on Sunday morning the challenges in South Yorkshire, where cases are going up fast and action needs to be taken; talks ongoing in a highly collegiate and constructive way.
Question
In lockdown, people need financial support to do the right thing and stay at home to stop the virus. In Wales, £300 million was provided by the Labour Government, which is £100 per person; in Manchester, the Prime Minister has provided £22 million, which is £8 per person instead of £100 per person in Wales. How can that be right? Will the Secretary of State and the Chancellor ensure that wherever people live across the United Kingdom they have enough money to stay at home to beat the virus without inflicting massive poverty?
Minister reply
Responded by saying they put substantial funding into Greater Manchester and Wales, which goes directly to businesses affected and individuals through various schemes; urged local leadership in Greater Manchester to come back to table.
Question
Warrington finds itself as a tier 2 island in the north-west with stubbornly high infection rate and admissions to Warrington Hospital exceeding peak of first wave in April. Does my right hon. Friend agree that any further measures for Warrington should protect NHS and save lives but also support local livelihoods and economy?
Minister reply
Agreed; worried about number of cases in Warrington and impact on Warrington Hospital, but said it is not an island as Cheshire has seen case rates rise. Working with local leadership to take appropriate measures.
Afzal Khan
Lab
Manchester Rusholme
Question
Described today’s events as impossible without unparliamentary language, but settled for 'a complete shambles'. Today, this Government made a choice not to protect the poorest people in Greater Manchester through punishing reality of winter. Does Secretary of State really believe we will get through pandemic by subjecting communities to financial negotiations? Do the Government truly value lives more than pennies?
Minister reply
Contrary to how it was described, the Government have put forward same proposals in Greater Manchester that were agreed in Lancashire and Liverpool; Mayor of Greater Manchester walked away from table. Urged all local leaders to take forward offer.
Question
My right hon. Friend told the House measures are about increase in infection among over-60s, who are more vulnerable. What assessment has he made of whether that infection is being spread in community as opposed to care settings? If it is in the community, what messages should we give rest of community?
Minister reply
There is a duty for all of us to send messages to communities they serve that people need to take personal responsibility; far fewer cases in care homes recently. Actions taken and hard work by staff over summer reduced transmission.
Kerry McCarthy
Lab
Bristol East
Question
My constituents have suffered huge anxiety over past six months, worrying about health and livelihoods. Chaos today will do nothing to allay fears; angry about money wasted on personal protective equipment purchases, consultants, failing Test and Trace system. Would he answer questions raised by her hon. Friend?
Minister reply
Money proposed for Greater Manchester is exactly same as amount agreed with leadership of Liverpool and Lancashire. Support there to help people through difficult times; infections still going up after 10 days.
Question
One of the ways we can hope to pick path out of crisis is with improved and faster testing. New testing technologies being piloted with NHS staff. If technology found to be effective, what is right hon. Gentleman’s timeline for rolling that testing out to wider groups?
Minister reply
Tests will benefit everyone across whole United Kingdom.
Question
Was hugely disappointed Mayor of Greater Manchester failed to reach agreement with Government, compounding uncertainty facing constituents. We need way forward; advocated on behalf of Stockport Council and constituents in Cheadle regarding testing and tracing, hospitality sector compliance. Pressed for borough-by-borough approach that reflects lower case rate. Urged leader of Stockport Council to act on behalf of Cheadle residents and businesses; will the Minister continue to work with local leaders and her to secure fair deal?
Minister reply
Hon. Friend put case very clearly, she is right; do not want businesses in Stockport disadvantaged, offer proportionate to support for Liverpool and Lancashire on table. Will take proposal away and talk to his right hon. Friend the Secretary of State for Housing, Communities and Local Government about borough-by-borough approach.
Kevan Jones
Lab
North Durham
Question
Welcomed the Secretary of State's announcement that there are no plans to move North-East England into tier 3 and asked for more resources to local directors of public health for test and trace. Asked when local directors will receive timely information from national Test and Trace.
Minister reply
Acknowledged the importance of fast turnaround times in data, particularly in County Durham, where there are positive signs but concerns remain among over-60s.
Derek Twigg
Lab
Widnes and Halewood
Question
Asked if the Secretary of State will either use Government powers or give powers to local council leaders in Halton and Merseyside to reopen gyms, as Lancashire and Manchester are allowed to do under tier 3.
Minister reply
Offered to have a conversation about reopening gyms based on the argument presented by the hon. Member.
Andrew Jones
Con
Harrogate
Question
Asked if closing pubs in certain areas will not affect case levels in other places, and suggested that local interventions are better than a national lockdown.
Minister reply
Agreed with the hon. Member's point about localised approaches being necessary and cited France as an example.
Clive Betts
Lab
Sheffield South East
Question
Asked if discussions between Government and Sheffield city region are final, and whether the same offer made to Lancashire and Merseyside will be given elsewhere.
Minister reply
Stated that there is an overinterpretation of his comments. Discussions with local leaders in South Yorkshire continue constructively.
Question
Asked for a commitment from the Secretary of State to meet Greater Manchester council leaders and MPs to find a fair and workable agreement, following an unsuccessful attempt by the Mayor.
Minister reply
Agreed to meet anyone willing to help in Greater Manchester, including those who did not accept previous offers.
Toby Perkins
Lab
Chesterfield
Question
Critiqued the Secretary of State's attempt to divide local leaders and accused him of spending too little on support for people entering tier 3.
Minister reply
Rejected the claim, asserting that they are working across party lines for public interests.
Question
Asked if targeted action is needed in Gedling to slow virus spread, especially among over-60s where risks are higher.
Minister reply
Agreed on the importance of acting fast and praised local efforts while acknowledging ongoing discussions for more actions.
Question
Asked for urgent reply to Cheshire leaders' request for support, expressed disappointment in Prime Minister's response towards Greater Manchester.
Minister reply
Promised engagement with the hon. Gentleman and councils as soon as possible.
Question
Complimented the Secretary of State for his local approach, asked about providing 60-minute tests for relatives visiting vulnerable residents in care homes.
Minister reply
Agreed to use such testing as it becomes more available.
Debbie Abrahams
Lab
Oldham East and Saddleworth
Question
Described the Health Secretary's response as disappointing, stated that local lockdowns require a competent test and trace system, financial support for workers, and national Government backing.
Minister reply
Emphasised efforts to suppress the virus while supporting NHS, schools, and economy.
Desmond Swayne
Con
New Forest West
Question
Asked about the estimate of excess deaths above long-term averages in recent weeks.
Minister reply
Stated that excess deaths are currently around the level of long-term average, aiming to keep it this way.
Jeff Smith
Lab
Manchester Withington
Question
There is a pattern here, is there not? Whenever the Government cannot agree a deal, it is always somebody else’s fault. In this case, it is Andy Burnham’s fault for simply standing up for what Greater Manchester needs—not what we want; what we need.
Minister reply
The offer that was made to Greater Manchester was proportionate to the support that we have already given to and agreed with the local leadership in Liverpool and Lancashire.
Diana R. Johnson
Lab
Kingston upon Hull North and Cottingham
Question
Does the Home Secretary think that he has carried the people of the north with the Government as they watch bully boy tactics and punishment beatings being used against the legitimate concerns of local leaders from all parties to try to protect the livelihoods of the poorest people and local businesses in Greater Manchester?
Minister reply
In areas that we are already in discussions with, such as South Yorkshire, West Yorkshire, the north-east and Nottinghamshire, right across the board those discussions are constructive, positive and focused entirely on the wellbeing of people locally.
Question
It is absolutely right that the Government treat Greater Manchester fairly and equally. The Government could not give greater support to one area than to Liverpool or Lancashire because then the local leaders who are refusing to take the action necessary to lock down the virus will be given greater financial rewards.
Minister reply
This point about fairness is really important. Imagine how it would feel to be running a business or to be somebody who lives in Liverpool when there has been an agreement across party lines for the support that comes with the measures that are necessary.
Naseem Shah
Lab
Bradford West
Question
Will this Government try to play poker with the people of Bradford and their financial support, like they did with Manchester before putting it into the highest tier?
Minister reply
We work very closely with the council in Bradford. Of course I am very happy to talk to the hon. Lady about what might be necessary.
Question
I welcome the setting up of a second local national testing centre locally in Fenton Manor in my constituency. Will my right hon Friend continue to support this excellent work and continue to grow the testing capacity?
Minister reply
Yes, 100%. My hon. Friend makes a very good point.
Question
The Secretary of State talks about fairness, but today we find out that Greater Manchester is effectively getting a third of the level of financial support that the Government gave to Lancashire. It is a failure that his Government cannot negotiate a decent package of support with our Greater Manchester Mayor.
Minister reply
I think it benefits all of us to rise above the politics and try to work together.
Question
The definition of insanity is to continue to do the same thing over and over again in the hope that it will turn good. We have had three months of interventions in Greater Manchester, which have yielded very little results indeed.
Minister reply
We are starting to see some of the local action that we have already taken just starting, potentially, to work.
Lucy Powell
Lab Co-op
Manchester Central
Question
Can I say that it was not just the Mayor, but all the leaders and most of the MPs across Greater Manchester? We are a city united this evening, but should any economic support package be based on need?
Minister reply
I think it benefits all of us to rise above the politics and try to work together.
Shadow Comment
Peter Bottomley
Shadow Comment
I think it is fair to say that the shadow Secretary of State has been moderate. He has not repeated his party leader’s call for a national lockdown, and people in areas where the virus has not jumped up very high will be grateful for that. My father’s family came from Greater Manchester, and were they there now I think they would ask that the Mayor make an agreement with the Government, because public help and public health go together. If it is a proportionate offer, we have not heard the reason why it is inadequate in one place. If we want employment in the future, we need to have employers, and help is going to be needed for those who need and are struggling to keep their businesses going.
I also want to make one more point: down in Worthing, we are not getting our test results back all the time very fast. It is important that we do because a father or mother who has a child who may have symptoms may not be able to go to work as a teacher, and that ends up penalising all the children in the class.
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