Ways and Means

Nigel Evans DUP

South Antrim

Noted that Mr Speaker has selected an amendment from the official Opposition to be moved formally at the end of debate.

Jesse Norman Con

Hereford and South Herefordshire

Supported health and social care improvements post-pandemic, emphasising a long-term basis for future generations. The Government's plan is an honour to open this debate with due recognition of the challenges it presents.

Jake Berry

Asked about how much the 1.25% increase in national insurance will cost the NHS on top of its current payroll.

John Redwood

Inquired about the reduction in waiting lists and the plan for using this money to cut them.

Chris Bryant Lab

Rhondda and Ogmore

Asked if the Minister would give way, likely to inquire further into the debate's points.

Rachael Maskell Lab Co-op

York Central

Highlighted the burden placed on small businesses due to the extra levy, questioning why a fairer taxation system wasn't implemented instead.

Clive Betts Lab

Sheffield South East

Asked how much money is going to local authorities for frontline social care delivery and questioned whether pressures on social care will be funded from further rises in council tax.

Meg Hillier Lab Co-op

Hackney South and Shoreditch

Requested the Minister to put on record the consequentials for public bodies that are employers, noting some mitigations might apply.

Philippa Whitford

Questioned why the Government is not using tax powers controlled by the Scottish Government and why Scottish taxpayers are being hit again, taking power away from devolved authorities.

Rachel Reeves Lab

Leeds West

Critiqued the package announced as broken promises on taxes and unfair funding, emphasising it is a tax on jobs. Referred to the Prime Minister's promise not to raise taxes during the general election.

Paul Holmes Con

Hamble Valley

Asked the Labour party for their plan to fix social care, as they had heard nothing from them so far.

Angela Eagle Lab

Wallasey

Agreed with her colleague's points and reminded that Government Members must listen to criticisms. Questioned the Prime Minister's contradictory statements about a tax lock and social care reform.

Kevin Hollinrake Con

Thirsk and Malton

Asked why the Labour party now says national insurance-based solutions are wrong, given their previous support for such measures in Committee inquiries.

Jesse Norman Con

Hereford and South Herefordshire

Responded to the hon. Lady's point about geographic impact, pointing out that the Government have published a Build Back Better plan with specific case studies of the measure's impact.

Chris Bryant Lab

Rhondda and Ogmore

Asked if it is fair that constituents on lower than average wages will need to find £86,000 out of their £98,000 house price to fund inheritance for millionaires in south-east England.

Peter Kyle Lab

Hove and Portslade

Questioned the Minister about how the money will be spent without a clear plan from the Government. Criticised it as an irresponsible request to pay without knowing how they would spend it.

Catherine McKinnell Lab

Newcastle upon Tyne North

Stated that there is a significant crisis in the social care system but criticised the Government for not building consensus and broadening the gap with their measures on poorest working people.

Catherine West Lab

Hornsey and Friern Barnet

Asked when crucial operations will happen, pointing out that Health Secretary is unable to answer questions about waiting times for operations.

Katherine Fletcher

Questioned Labour's unfunded promises during the 2019 general election and asked if they would continue to borrow from the market or kick social care problems down the road.

Clive Betts Lab

Sheffield South East

Asked about paragraph 36 of the Government's plan, questioning whether working families can expect an above-inflation rise in their council tax next year to pay for social care.

Alex Sobel Lab Co-op

Leeds Central and Headingley

Discussed people at the start of their working lives paying nearly 50% in tax after changes and having very high rents, destroying dreams of ever owning a home.

Laura Trott Con

Sevenoaks

Asked if Labour was wrong to raise national insurance for the NHS in 2003 as a precedent for current proposals.

Mel Stride Con

Central Devon

Welcomes the motion on social care funding and national insurance levy, criticising the opposition for not providing an alternative plan. Argues that raising national insurance is a necessary measure given economic challenges posed by the pandemic and fiscal constraints. Highlights complexities of other options like cutting expenditure or borrowing more money. Emphasises the need to raise taxes fairly, advocating for the current approach due to its progressive nature compared to alternatives.

Chris Bryant Lab

Rhondda and Ogmore

Intervened to question why practically everyone in his constituency would have to sell their home to meet the cost of the national insurance levy, whereas those in other areas might not face such a burden.

Peter Grant

Asked if spreading the tax burden across different taxes rather than relying solely on the national insurance levy could be more fair and equitable.

Alison Thewliss SNP

Glasgow Central

The UK Government's policy of raising national insurance is a blunt tool that disproportionately hits young people and lower earners. The SNP amendment would force the government to disclose the distributional impact, but we are limited in our ability to amend the motion due to procedural constraints.

Joanna Cherry SNP

Edinburgh South West

An anonymous Cabinet member is quoted as saying that those who receive income from investments and property do not pay a penny, but if one works for minimum wage they get clobbered. The policy targets hard-working individuals while benefiting the wealthy.

Philippa Whitford SNP

Central Ayrshire

Social care staff will lose £1,000 a year due to universal credit cuts and face an additional cost from the national insurance hike. This is unfair on those who have struggled during the pandemic.

John Lamont Con

Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk

The hon. Lady's argument does not account for the fact that over the past 10 years, health spend in Scotland has grown by 1.2% while in England it has grown by 3.6%. The extra £1 billion investment is necessary for Scotland’s NHS.

Lloyd Russell-Moyle Lab

Bilston and Wolverhampton South West

The policy could have been made more progressive, such as adjusting the upper threshold for national insurance. A young graduate will now face a higher marginal tax rate than a wealthy Conservative.

Steven Baker Con

Wycombe

The Government's distributional analysis shows that the impact of the policy across income deciles is not as detrimental as claimed by the hon. Lady.

Angela Eagle Lab

Wallasey

Concerned about the timing of tax increases, which occur at an earlier stage of economic recovery compared to similar economies.

Matt Rodda Lab

Reading Central

The policy disproportionately affects key workers and those with small businesses while failing to address fundamental social care issues.

Jonathan Edwards PC

Carmarthen East and Dinefwr

Has concerns about the use of a UK-wide tax to fund English priorities without discussions between Treasury Ministers and SNP or Labour Welsh Government Ministers.

Richard Holden Con

Basildon and Billericay

N/A - No substantial contribution recorded.

Andrew Bowie Con

West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine

The real reason SNP Members oppose the motion is that they would rather Scotland’s NHS were poorer than benefit from being a part of this United Kingdom. The policy will deliver more than £1 billion to Scotland’s national health service.

Jake Berry Con

Rossendale and Darwen

Mr. Berry congratulated the Government on addressing an ageing population issue but criticised their proposal to fund social care through national insurance contributions, arguing that it would disproportionately affect low-income areas like his constituency. He highlighted three main points: 1) Lower income earners pay a higher proportion of their income in NICs; 2) Property values in lower-value areas mean people may have paid half the value of their property by the time they hit the asset floor; and 3) The proposal acts as a jobs tax, disincentivising job creation. He suggested that increasing income tax or considering an Amazon tax might be fairer alternatives.

Dehenna Davison Con

Barking

Ms. Davison thanked Mr. Berry for raising important issues and asked whether the Government would consider regional disparities in house prices when setting the asset floor, similar to Mr. Berry's suggestion.

Miriam Cates Con

Penistone and Stocksbridge

Ms. Cates agreed with Mr. Berry’s concerns about her constituency's high property prices and low wages but argued that national insurance contributions provide a fairer way to share costs between workers and businesses, which would affect lower earners less than an income tax increase.

Sammy Wilson DUP

East Antrim

Mr. Wilson sought to intervene on Mr. Berry’s speech but his contribution is incomplete in the given text.

Angela Eagle Lab

Wallasey

Critiques the Government's National Insurance contribution increase, arguing it is unfair and exacerbates inequality. She highlights the lack of clarity in how funds will be used for social care improvements and criticises the failure to address current needs.

Paul Bristow

Supports the measure, emphasising the need for funding to address NHS backlogs and improve social care. Argues that innovation is key in overcoming challenges but expresses reservations about the tax increase while acknowledging its necessity given recent events like the pandemic.

Clive Betts Lab

Sheffield South East

Local government has faced severe funding cuts over the past decade, resulting in real-term reductions across various services. Social care remains a priority but even here, there are significant gaps with 1 million elderly individuals not receiving the care they need due to budget constraints. The proposed levy of £5.5 billion over three years is insufficient to cover the current gap let alone provide for future needs and improvements.

Imran Hussain Lab

Bradford East

Local government budgets have been slashed by up to 50% under ideological austerity measures, contributing directly to the crisis in social care. The lack of funding has led to devastating cuts to essential services while constituents still face challenges accessing necessary care.

Edward Leigh Con

Gainsborough

Edward Leigh criticises the Government's decision to increase National Insurance Contributions (NICs), arguing that it is easy to attack but difficult to provide an alternative. He discusses the fairness of taxing pensioners who have already stopped paying NICs and highlights disparities between property values in different regions. Edward also mentions the need for innovative solutions, such as a state-backed private insurance system proposed by Lord Lilley and the Dilnot commission, which would offer peace of mind without burdening individuals. He emphasises the importance of controlling public spending and improving productivity within the NHS.

Wera Hobhouse Lib Dem

Bath

Intervenes to question the Government's handling of NHS funding, pointing out that despite promises made in 2016 to allocate £350 million per week from EU exit savings to the NHS, there has been no clear accounting for where this money went after leaving the EU.

Jake Berry

Intervenes to suggest that asking pensioners who are not working to contribute in some way could be fairer, particularly when compared to workers struggling with basic expenses like school shoes and mortgages.

Meg Hillier Lab Co-op

Hackney South and Shoreditch

The Labour MP criticises the Government's proposal, arguing it lacks detail and fails to address care workers' issues. She emphasises the need for plans on skills development, market stability, domiciliary care support, and targets for NHS funding effectiveness.

Mike Penning

The Conservative MP argues that addressing social care is long overdue and acknowledges previous Governments' failures to solve the issue. He supports the Government's efforts despite imperfections, criticising opposition parties for merely throwing issues back and forth without offering solutions.

Bim Afolami

Disagrees with Labour's criticism, supporting the Government's plan as it tackles a difficult problem. National insurance is broader-based compared to income tax and benefits everyone equally. Wealth taxes alone cannot solve the £12 billion issue. The levy addresses both health and social care needs. A flat system is fairer than one based on fluctuating house prices. The measure is progressive, with smaller businesses paying less or nothing extra while high earners contribute more. Outcomes like better pay for carers and reforms are important but not immediate issues.

Steve McCabe Lab

Birmingham Selly Oak

The measure is built on deception and broken promises. It raises taxes for young workers, the self-employed, employers struggling to recover from the pandemic, and low-paid individuals. The Government's claim of raising the national insurance threshold was false. The proposed tax rise will only partially fund social care and fails to address the needs of 1.5 million people who require help with daily living. It is a penalty for those who voted Tory at the last election.

John Lamont Con

Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk

Welcomes the Government's action to properly fund social care and the NHS in Scotland. Proposes that Scotland’s NHS will benefit from an additional £1 billion each year due to increased funding, addressing issues such as treatment backlogs, GP shortages, and more. Criticises the SNP for opposing this extra funding despite their previous calls for increased investment in social care.

Clive Efford Lab

Eltham

The national insurance increase is a significant tax rise that will impact low-income earners and those on modest incomes disproportionately. It undermines the idea of fair taxation, as higher earners are not being asked to contribute more. Moreover, this policy goes against previous promises made by the Government regarding social care funding and poses challenges for local economies.

Julie Marson

The national insurance increase is a necessary step towards addressing long-term problems affecting health and social care services. While it requires hard decisions, it aligns with Conservative principles of low taxation and minimal state intervention where possible. The government's approach aims to ensure efficient use of resources through innovation and restructuring.

Mohammad Yasin Lab

Bedford

Many voters feel betrayed by the national insurance increase, which contradicts previous promises made by the Government regarding social care reform. The policy is regressive, affecting low-income workers disproportionately while wealthy individuals are shielded from additional taxes. This approach exacerbates existing issues in health and social care provision, including workforce shortages.

Lucy Allan Con

Telford

Thanked the Prime Minister, Chancellor and Secretary of State for Health and Social Care for their proposal to fund NHS. Initially sceptical but supportive due to the need to address challenges created by covid, particularly in her constituency where health services are struggling with high waiting times and poor management. Emphasised the importance of incentivising hard work and allowing people to keep more of their money. Supported the plan as a necessary step towards better healthcare provision while cautioning against removing local services.

Lloyd Russell-Moyle Lab

Barnsley East

Expressed initial consideration but ultimately disappointment with the Government's proposal, viewing it as a tax hike disguised to address health and social care. Criticised the plan for exacerbating intergenerational justice issues by hitting young people hardest while benefiting wealthier individuals. Suggested alternative solutions like raising national insurance rates for higher earners or implementing a wealth tax, arguing these would raise more money without burdening low-income workers.

Steven Baker Con

Wycombe

Mr. Baker argues that Labour would raise national insurance contributions to fund health and social care, similar to the current government's plan. He criticises the reliance on transaction taxes like stamp duty as insufficient for raising necessary funds. Mr. Baker also highlights the unsustainability of future debt trajectories outlined by the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR), indicating a long-term crisis in funding age-related spending promises. He calls for radical reform and a return to free market principles, emphasising that higher taxes are not sustainable in the long run.

Peter Grant SNP

Glenrothes

The Government's proposal for social care reform falls short of promised improvements and is regressive, benefiting higher-income individuals more than those with average incomes. It discriminates against younger people in favour of older people with higher incomes. The proposal also appears to be designed to centralise power over health and social care funding decisions in England, disregarding the democratic mandates of other UK nations.

Laura Trott Con

Sevenoaks

The current model for social care reform is the Dilnot model which has cross-party support. National insurance is being raised as a means to fund necessary reforms, despite its imperfections. The proposal aims to protect people's life savings when it comes to funding social care and ensures that local government is held accountable for standards of care provided. These are difficult but necessary steps towards improving the quality and integration of social care services.

Karin Smyth Lab

Bristol South

Successive Governments have failed to address social care reform adequately, especially since the burden falls on women. The Prime Minister's current plan does not represent a sustainable solution and lacks thorough scrutiny. There is an urgent need for a universal system based on NHS principles of fair taxation and according to need, rather than focusing solely on tax rises or generational warfare. Reform should start moving people towards this long-term solution without pitting different generations against each other.

Jane Hunt

The social care problem has been neglected for too long. The Government's proposals aim to raise funds for the social care workforce, strengthen the adult social care system, and tackle NHS backlogs post-pandemic. The Prime Minister's plan includes a cap on lifetime social care costs at £86,000 and no contributions from those with assets under £20,000. These measures have widespread support across the country.

Richard Thomson

The Conservative Government's tax plans disproportionately affect young people and low-income earners to address social care issues in England. The lack of a detailed plan for how funds will be distributed raises concerns about effectiveness and fairness. Scotland has been more progressive with health and social care integration, suggesting the current debate is still at an early stage.

Gagan Mohindra Con

South West Hertfordshire

Welcomes the Government’s solution to social care, acknowledging its direct experience and challenges. Emphasises the need for a long-term plan addressing social care funding, recognising the NHS's efforts during the pandemic and supporting the new health and social care levy to increase hospital capacity and create more appointments. Acknowledges the necessity of additional resources despite being a low-tax Conservative.

Christine Jardine Lib Dem

Edinburgh West

Expresses disappointment with the Government’s plan, criticising it as a tax hike for low earners and small businesses. Calls for cross-party talks to find consensus on fixing social care and NHS backlog. Criticises the lack of detail in the funding plan, highlighting its impact on frontline workers and small businesses struggling post-pandemic.

Natalie Elphicke

Welcomes Government investment in addressing the NHS backlog and social care, acknowledging the long-term neglect of these issues. Criticises Opposition for opposing proposed solutions, emphasising the need to pay for additional funding through tax rises while pledging to reduce overall taxes over time.

Gareth Johnson Con

Dartford

Welcomes extra funding for tackling NHS backlogs but criticises the Labour party for opposing measures that mirror their own previous policies on social care levies. Argues that working-class people have aspirations to save money and avoid losing assets due to social care needs, suggesting this approach resonates more with them than traditional Labour policies.

Philippa Whitford SNP

Central Scotland

Welcomes the debate on finding solutions but criticises the proposal as regressive and impacting lower-paid workers. Proposes income tax as a fairer method, highlighting Scotland's existing approach to free personal care and integration of health and social services since 2013. Emphasises the importance of developing social care as a career path.

Robert Syms Con

Epsom and Ewell

The Government have been pragmatic in responding to the pandemic, implementing measures such as furlough and grants despite not being part of their manifesto. The current situation requires tough decisions due to higher debt levels caused by the pandemic. The Government is addressing NHS backlogs and care issues through sensible policies. While the proposal may not be a silver bullet for all problems, it is an effort to tackle constituents' concerns.

Jim Shannon DUP

Strangford

The health of the NHS is at risk due to historical underfunding and additional pressures from the pandemic. The increase in National Insurance contributions is necessary, but there are concerns about its impact on small businesses and whether it will be sufficient. There is a need for assurances that funds raised specifically for healthcare purposes will not be diverted elsewhere, particularly in Northern Ireland. Without ring-fencing and binding legislation to ensure proper use of funds, sacrifices made may not lead to the necessary reforms.

Andrew Murrison Con

South West Wiltshire

Congratulates the Government on dealing with unfinished business regarding health and social care funding, emphasising that excluding certain conditions is unfair. Acknowledges Labour's support for national insurance contributions in 2003 but criticises their opposition to the current measure. Highlights the progressive nature of the tax, expresses concern about it being a one-way tax, discusses potential distortions in the social care market, and emphasises the need for productivity improvements in the NHS.

Zarah Sultana Lab

Coventry South

Critiques the national insurance hike as hitting low-paid and young workers hardest while not addressing wealth inequality. Points out that the UK has seen an increase in billionaires' wealth during the pandemic, noting this contrasts with working-class struggles. Argues for a wealth tax on the super-rich to fund health and social care improvements.

Anne Marie Morris

Expresses agreement across the House that funding is necessary but emphasises the need for clear accountability and reporting mechanisms. Suggests prioritising social care alongside NHS backlog, highlights specific areas needing immediate attention such as retired doctors' re-engagement and immigration rules changes for healthcare staff recruitment.

Catherine West Lab

Hornsey and Friern Barnet

Agrees with some points made by the hon. Member for Newton Abbot about social care but expresses concern over recent debates regarding compulsory ID cards, vaccinations, and the NHS satisfaction rate decline since 2010. She also highlights concerns from various organisations like FSB and TUC about recruitment and employment prospects, as well as local government funding gaps.

Dehenna Davison

Praises NHS and care workers but expresses concern over the speed at which social care proposals have been presented. Criticises Labour's lack of viable alternatives while expressing support for Conservative efforts to tackle social care issues. Raises concerns about house prices impacting constituents' assets and proposes a state-backed optional insurance system as an alternative.

Sam Tarry

Critiques the government's decision to introduce a national insurance hike alongside universal credit cuts, arguing it disproportionately affects low-paid workers and small businesses. Expresses concerns about social care costs pushing families below poverty lines and criticises the lack of progressive taxation measures targeting wealthier individuals.

Ben Everitt Con

Dorset South

Everitt supports the policy despite its challenges, highlighting three critical aspects: revenue raising methods, quantum and period of spending, and how funds are utilized. He advocates for less disruptive taxation options than National Insurance contributions and emphasises the need to fix care home funding mechanisms.

Mike Wood Con

Kingswinford and South Staffordshire

Wood acknowledges that raising taxes is undesirable but considers it necessary due to the pressing issues in NHS backlogs and social care reform. He argues against long-term borrowing for funding, favouring a National Insurance Levy as the fairest option.

Huw Merriman Con

Bexhill and Battle

Praised the Government for taking decisive action on social care funding but expressed three concerns: about the political difficulty of moving money from health to social care, intergenerational fairness, and overall tax burden. Suggested exploring German and other models to ensure more user contribution towards social care.

Richard Fuller Con

North Bedfordshire

Supported the Government's measures despite breaking a manifesto pledge, citing fiscal responsibility due to covid costs and the urgency of social care reform. Emphasised the need for economic growth, less public spending, and better use of NHS funds. Called for reforms in social care that eliminate excessive family cost risk but stressed faith in timely implementation.

Jack Brereton

Acknowledged increasing taxes against his low-tax beliefs to address health and care system pressures. Welcomed broad-based burden sharing with protections for the lowest incomes, integration of services, reduction of waste, and investment in primary care. Suggested focusing on insurance market development to protect those with lower property values.

Kevin Hollinrake Con

Thirsk and Malton

Acknowledges the cross-party consensus on national insurance proposals to address social care funding. Criticises previous political posturing that has blocked progress.

Bridget Phillipson Lab

Houghton and Sunderland South

Indicated dissent, but no detailed contribution was provided in the given text.

Angela Richardson Con

Guildford

Supports the NHS and social care levy for funding improvements. Promises to invest heavily in upskilling the workforce, strengthening the adult social care system, tackling elective backlogs, providing a 3% pay rise for nurses, building resilience against future pandemics, ensuring resource availability for the NHS, implementing a cost-capping solution based on national insurance, and delivering significant increases in nursing staff, GP appointments, and hospital construction.

Peter Bone Con

Wellingborough

Critiques the procedure of debating a Ways and Means motion without proper context from a Social Care Bill. Argues that social care should be debated separately from NHS funding. Expresses confusion over voting intentions due to mixed messaging.

Miriam Cates Con

Luton North

Supports the levy through national insurance as a fair and pragmatic approach despite criticisms. Acknowledges the need for future innovative solutions beyond taxation, including community support and family roles in caring.

Richard Drax Con

South Dorset

The Member sympathises with the Government but expresses concern over the direction of travel, noting that taxes are at their highest in decades under a Conservative government. He emphasises the need for careful management of taxpayer funds and warns against introducing new taxes that cannot be easily repealed. Richard Drax supports calls for radical reform within both social care and the NHS to address ongoing issues. He argues for lowering taxes to stimulate economic growth, which would generate more revenue for healthcare and social services.

Tom Hunt Con

Chippenham

The Member expresses concern over public awareness of social care costs and highlights the financial strain on individuals due to unforeseen medical expenses. He points out that the pandemic has necessitated significant spending, exacerbating issues such as waiting lists for surgeries and reduced access to primary healthcare services. Tom Hunt defends the Government's policy changes as a necessary response to unprecedented circumstances, emphasising the moral importance of implementing a social care cap to protect hard-working individuals from financial ruin.

Kieran Mullan Con

Bexhill and Battle

Mr. Mullan emphasised the importance of fairness in the proposed health and social care funding, highlighting that it is not only about the better-off paying more but also about those who receive benefits from these services contributing accordingly. He argued that people on lower incomes will continue to benefit from essentially free social care, while being asked to contribute a little more. Mullan also discussed the nature of demand for health and social care, stating that spending in this area is fundamentally different from other areas due to its increasing nature as we improve healthcare services.

David Simmonds Con

Ruislip, Northwood and Pinner

Mr. Simmonds supported the proposal for raising funds but emphasised the importance of ensuring that these funds are spent effectively. He highlighted the long-standing financial crisis in social care since 2003 due to a lack of sustainable funding solutions. Mr. Simmonds also stressed the need for clarity on how additional national insurance costs will be handled, and urged Ministers to review the operation of fair access criteria and rules underpinning them. He further pointed out that about two thirds of social care costs are for working age adults and children, not just the elderly.

Bridget Phillipson Lab

Houghton and Sunderland South

The debate has been inadequate for such a significant change to the tax system. Labour Members have highlighted issues with the proposed changes, including its impact on social care workers and the NHS. The plan lacks detail and fails to address important questions raised by MPs. It is a broken promise that will hit two and a half million working households. Only 5% of the new revenue comes from taxing investments and property income, while 95% affects jobs and earnings. This approach prioritises tax rises on workers over those with broader shoulders. Labour would shift focus towards prevention in social care and support for unpaid carers. The current proposal does not provide a clear plan for addressing NHS waiting lists or the wider economic impact.

Steve Barclay Con

North East Cambridgeshire

The Government's response to the pandemic and its impacts on NHS and social care includes an investment of £36 billion over three years, addressing backlogs in elective surgery and reforming adult social care. The current number of patients waiting for treatment is at a record high of 5.5 million, which could rise to 13 million if unaddressed. The plan aims to end unpredictable and catastrophic costs faced by thousands in social care, making the system fairer through reforms like a cap on costs and an uplift in means testing that benefits lower-income households.

Jake Berry

Asked Steve Barclay for specific numbers regarding the number of people currently paying over £100,000 for care each year or period.

Peter Grant

Commented on a case study in the Government's document about Yusuf’s care home costs being £700 per week and questioned how long it would take to reach the current cap of expenditure under the existing system.

Rosie Winterton 18:48:00

Interrupted Jake Berry's intervention, requesting for him to phrase his question properly.

Richard Thomson

Asked Steve Barclay to give way.

Clive Betts Lab

Sheffield South East

Inquired about the impact on local authorities, asking how much of the £36 billion would go directly to them after accounting for costs associated with the 'cap and floor' system over three years.

Alison Thewliss

Pointed out that national insurance has not been reformed in 18 years since a similar approach was taken by Labour, to protect the poorest, unlike income tax which has seen reforms.

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