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Fire Safety Bill - Lords amendment 4L
28 April 2021
Lead MP
Christopher Pincher
Debate Type
Bill Debate
Tags
Housing
Other Contributors: 17
At a Glance
Christopher Pincher raised concerns about fire safety bill - lords amendment 4l in the House of Commons. A government minister responded. Other MPs also contributed.
How the Debate Unfolded
MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said:
Lead Contributor
Opened the debate
Minister Pincher moves that the House disagrees with Lords amendment 4L, which aims to prohibit passing remediation costs on to leaseholders and tenants. He argues that without the Fire Safety Bill, legal ambiguity around fire safety orders will continue, affecting hundreds of thousands of leaseholders. The Minister emphasises the importance of the Bill for updating fire risk assessments and ensuring building safety. He also highlights the Government's five-point plan to protect leaseholders from cladding costs.
Bocking
Minister Pincher argues that Lords amendment 4L is unclear and impractical. He contends that it would prevent all remediation costs from being passed on to leaseholders, even minor ones due to wear and tear or tenant responsibility. This, he says, is not a proportionate response. The Minister emphasises the lack of clarity in defining remedial work and potential breaches of subsidy control rules.
Peter Bottomley
Con
Wantage
Mr Bottomley questions whether it is fair that leaseholders bear a significant portion of the £15 billion cost for remediation, given that the Government has only committed to providing £5 billion. He suggests that the lack of timely provision by the Government could lead to forfeiture in a shorter timescale than anticipated.
Sarah Jones
Lab
Croydon West
The Minister's inaction and lack of support for leaseholders is driven by political priorities rather than the well-being of constituents. Leaseholders are suffering under unfair financial burdens, and it is imperative that the Government acts now to protect them from further harm.
The argument that leaseholders should not bear costs for historical fire defects is universally accepted. Despite repeated calls for compromise, the Government has failed to act effectively over five months. This amendment offers a timely solution to protect innocent leaseholders and secure the future of the Fire Safety Bill.
Hilary Benn
Lab
Leeds South
The Government must address the uncertainty faced by leaseholders. While the current drafting complexity is a concern, it should not prevent immediate action to protect innocent individuals from bearing costs for defects they did not cause. Establishing a contact group to coordinate efforts across involved parties could help progress solutions.
Liam Fox
Con
North Somerset
Welcomed the study proposal by his colleague and highlighted the need for certainty in the form of a Queen's Speech commitment on leasehold reform. Emphasised the importance of addressing forfeiture concerns and welcomed the Government’s stance towards apportionment.
Tim Farron
Lib Dem
Westmorland and Lonsdale
Supports the amendment, arguing that it protects leaseholders from exorbitant bills due to developer negligence. Criticised the Government for failing to address the issue adequately and vowed to continue pushing for justice for leaseholders in the next parliamentary session.
Bob Blackman
Con
Harrow East
Expressed concerns over insufficient funding and delays in remediation efforts. Urged the Government to provide more details on the forced loan scheme for leaseholders in buildings below six storeys, stressing that leaseholders should not bear the costs of building defects they did not cause.
Barry Gardiner
Lab
Brent West
Discussed the impact of EWS1 regulations on vulnerable residents, highlighting a case in his constituency where FirstPort demanded excessive costs and access to a resident’s private space. Criticised the lack of regulation in the EWS1 form process and its economic impacts on leaseholders.
Bob Neill
Con
Bromley and Chislehurst
Supports Lords amendment 4L, emphasising the need to protect innocent leaseholders from financial ruin while waiting for those responsible for building defects to be held accountable. Argues that the Government has enough time to draft a better amendment but should accept this one as an interim measure.
Stephen Doughty
Lab Co-op
Cardiff South and Penarth
Agrees with previous speaker, highlighting the suffering of leaseholders due to fire safety issues in their properties. Urges the Government to work with developers to ensure leaseholders are not left footing the bill for remediation costs they did not cause.
Ruth Cadbury
Lab
Brentford and Isleworth
Emphasises that up to 1.3 million flats are affected by fire safety issues, leading to financial strain on leaseholders who cannot sell or get mortgages for their properties due to safety concerns. Advocates for the Government to provide immediate relief through Lords amendment 4L rather than delaying action.
Paul Blomfield
Lab
Sheffield Central
Critiques the Prime Minister’s inconsistency in opposing amendments that align with his earlier pledge to protect leaseholders. Highlights the urgent need for government action as leaseholders face financial ruin and regulatory failure.
Chichester
Reiterates the Government's position that the amendments are defective and unworkable, emphasising their commitment to protect leaseholders and tenants from remediation costs. Defends decisions regarding legislative timing and tax proposals.
Peter Bottomley
Con
Worthing West
Inquires about procedural options, such as a carry-over motion, to ensure the Bill is not lost at session end, potentially allowing for future amendment improvements.
Eleanor Laing
Con
Responded to a point of order by providing guidance on committees that could address concerns related to the Fire Safety Bill, such as the Public Accounts Committee, Scottish Affairs Committee, and Public Administration and Constitutional Affairs Committee.
Peter Bottomley
Con
Raised a point of order regarding the carry-over motion procedures for bills that have been in both Houses, suggesting that future consideration might be needed by Speakers or Procedure Committees.
Government Response
The Minister reiterates his argument against Lords amendment 4L, emphasising its impracticality and potential for generating litigation. He states that the Government's measures will protect leaseholders from cladding costs and ensure building safety without impeding the passage of the Fire Safety Bill.
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