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Delivering Justice for Victims
09 December 2021
Lead MP
Tom Pursglove
Debate Type
Ministerial Statement
Tags
Crime & Law EnforcementJustice & CourtsStandards & Ethics
Other Contributors: 16
At a Glance
Tom Pursglove raised concerns about delivering justice for victims in the House of Commons. A government minister responded. Other MPs also contributed.
How the Debate Unfolded
MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said:
Government Statement
The Minister announced a consultation on a new victims’ law to enhance the role and support of victims in the criminal justice system. He highlighted that three out of five victims do not report crimes, with one-third of those who do reporting disengaging later due to poor service. The government has invested £300 million this year for victim support services, increasing to £185 million annually by 2024-25. Key elements of the plan include amplifying victims' voices throughout the justice process, enhancing transparency with scorecards, improving accountability through the victims’ code in law, rebuilding lives via accessible professional services and increased funding, and better tools to protect victims and prosecute perpetrators. The consultation will also cover support for domestic abuse victims as per a previous commitment.
Sandra Osborne
Lab
Ayr, Carrick and Cumnock
Question
The MP questioned why it takes four years for rape cases to come to court and asked about the progress towards reducing backlog in rape prosecutions, as well as the timeframe for section 28 roll-out.
Minister reply
The Minister acknowledged the current challenges with court backlogs and delays but did not specify a clear timeline for the national roll-out of section 28 pre-recorded cross-examination. He emphasised ongoing work to reduce these issues.
Charles Walker
Con
Broxbourne
Question
The MP inquired about measures to assist victims and witnesses involved in serious crime trials, particularly regarding costs associated with travel to attend court hearings.
Minister reply
The Minister committed to reviewing support for expenses incurred by victims and witnesses while engaging with the justice system. He noted that such support is crucial to maintaining engagement levels.
Alex Cunningham
Lab
Stockton North
Question
Criticises Government's inaction over the past decade regarding court backlogs and victims' confidence. Emphasises need for rapid implementation of section 28 and highlights poor statistics, including a doubling of victims dropping out and low conviction rates for rape cases.
Minister reply
Acknowledges constructive tone but emphasises the need for consultation to ensure meaningful reform. Highlights Government's record on crime prevention with extra police officers, £477 million investment in criminal justice system over three years, and comprehensive actions to address court backlog. Defends funding levels compared to previous Labour Government. Outlines plans including publication of adult rape scorecard, introduction of 24/7 support for victims, implementation of Operation Soteria, and expansion of pre-recorded cross-examination through section 28.
Bob Neill
Con
Bromley and Chislehurst
Question
Welcoming the statement, Bob Neill highlighted the need for sustained financial investment in courts to improve conditions and ensure proper funding of judges and legal professionals. He noted that the current settlement is the best for decades but emphasised its application to maintain courts' physical condition and support quality judges, barristers, and solicitors.
Minister reply
Tom Pursglove acknowledged Neill's advice and emphasised the importance of a constructive working relationship with him and other stakeholders. He mentioned that the £477 million injection will be used for court maintenance.
Barnsley South
Question
Peacock raised the case of Jackie Wileman, who was killed by joyriders with a history of convictions. She asked how Johnny, the victim's brother, would benefit under these proposals.
Minister reply
Tom Pursglove expressed his condolences and noted that the Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill will increase sentences for dangerous driving to life from 14 years.
Robert Buckland
Con
South Swindon
Question
Buckland commended the minister's statement and asked about prelegislative scrutiny of the proposed changes.
Minister reply
Tom Pursglove thanked Buckland for his past work and committed to having prelegislative scrutiny to ensure that Members from both sides can scrutinise and shape the plans.
Andrew Gwynne
Ind
Gorton and Denton
Question
Gwynne welcomed the minister's statement on improving criminal justice for victims but questioned why there was no specific strategy to tackle gender-based violence.
Minister reply
Tom Pursglove acknowledged the Home Affairs Committee's work and noted that the tackling violence against women and girls strategy published in July is fundamental to this area.
Rob Butler
Con
Buckingham
Question
Butler welcomed the statement on victims being at the heart of the criminal justice system, emphasising transparency regarding sentencing.
Minister reply
Tom Pursglove agreed and highlighted the introduction of justice scorecards to increase transparency.
Clive Efford
Lab
Eltham
Question
Efford discussed issues with recorders and qualified barristers in Woolwich Crown Court, as well as funding for covid-related measures.
Minister reply
Tom Pursglove acknowledged the issue of recorders and announced an increase in their number. He also noted the £477 million injection into court recovery.
Philip Hollobone
Con
Kettering
Question
Hollobone congratulated the minister on his work on the new victims Bill and asked about localised support for victims in Kettering, Corby, and Wellingborough.
Minister reply
Tom Pursglove thanked Hollobone and suggested that Stephen Mould, Northamptonshire’s police, fire and crime commissioner, should participate in the consultation.
Wendy Chamberlain
Lib Dem
North East Fife
Question
Chamberlain discussed concerns over section 28 pilot implementation, asking about its impact on the roll-out.
Minister reply
Tom Pursglove assured Chamberlain that discussions are ongoing with the judiciary to ensure proper implementation of the reforms.
Andrew Murrison
Con
South West Wiltshire
Question
I very much welcome this statement. On Tuesday, my hon. Friend said that the consultation was imminent, and he has been true to his word. Does he share my concern, however, that the definition of “victim” within the victims’ code is pretty restrictive, unlike the situation in other jurisdictions? Will he ensure that as we go through this consultation process the voices of those who have not traditionally been regarded as victims are heard and that as the code moves into statute we do much better by them, so that their situation, and the trauma and tragedy that they go through, through no fault of their own, is mitigated?
Minister reply
I thank my right hon. Friend for his question. We had a good debate on Tuesday evening, at the end of business, on these matters, and I look forward to meeting him to discuss this in greater detail. One key issue that I raised in responding on Tuesday night is that there are always needs that we need to look at. It is important that these matters are considered on a cross-government basis and that the support in place for individuals in the many different circumstances they find themselves in, particularly the mental health support, is kept under constant review. I encourage him to take part in the consultation and makes his views known.
Peter Dowd
Lab
Bootle
Question
I welcome the Minister’s statement today and I hope that we are able to deliver more justice for victims, because being a victim is for life. It is important to bring personal circumstances to the House, in order for people to understand the situation. In my case, the person who was responsible for the death of my daughter in a hit-and-run accident was sentenced to prison, and so got a custodial sentence, but of course they are eligible for home detention curfew. So this is not just about what happens before and after; it is about what happens throughout the whole process. We got a phone call from the probation service about this home detention curfew process, but it was transactional. I am not criticising the people involved or the system per se, but it was a transactional process. We got no guarantee that we would be listened to, as we were in relation to a victim statement—we got no guarantees that we would be taken into account at all. So it is important that that point is incorporated in this: that victims do have the formal right to be heard even after the actual court process itself.
Minister reply
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for bringing his personal experiences to the House this afternoon. That must have been incredibly difficult to talk about, and I can only imagine the impact that that whole experience has had on him and his family—it is truly heartbreaking. I wonder whether he might be willing to meet me to discuss this in greater detail. The point I would make is that I always expect the criminal justice agencies to be engaging with people in an incredibly sympathetic and understanding manner. I would appreciate the opportunity to understand a little more about his experience, so that we can try to make sure that that never happens again and that any issues are dealt with properly.
Robbie Moore
Con
Keighley and Ilkley
Question
As my hon. Friend will be well aware, child sexual exploitation is, sadly, an undeniable problem in my constituency. So I am very pleased that the Government are launching this consultation, on a Bill that puts supporting victims of these horrific, horrendous crimes at its heart. Will he explain what further support the Government plan to provide to victims of these horrific crimes, particularly via the independent sexual violence advisers and other services that help those who have experienced child sexual exploitation?
Minister reply
I thank my hon. Friend, who is a vociferous champion on these matters on behalf of his constituents. He raises an important issue through his question. Of course, ISVAs are very important in this work, which is why we are committed to increasing considerably the number of ISVAs that are available to support victims. It is also crucial to point out that, as well as the baseline national provision that we help to support, there are of course opportunities for police and crime commissioners to supplement that work, based on local circumstances and local need. I am sure that he will be making his views known as part of this consultation work, as he has a really valuable contribution to make.
Greg Smith
Con
Mid Buckinghamshire
Question
I very much welcome my hon. Friend’s statement, particularly the commitment to providing additional means by which victims can present their evidence in the courtroom. Does he agree, however, that we need to cast the net a little wider, in order to ensure there are additional means for certain victims to report crimes in the first place? I recall from my time many years ago in local government the success of third-party reporting centres, which were there to ensure that crimes that may otherwise, for a whole number of reasons, go unreported do get into the system.
Minister reply
I thank my hon. Friend for that question on this important issue. The Government are clear—and I know that all Members of this House echo this message in their communities—that it is so important that people come forward and report crimes where they exist, in order that we can have a very accurate picture about the state of play in individual communities and ensure that the right resources are directed at those challenges. I have mentioned this previously, but we want more police officers out on the beat catching criminals and deterring crime. That accessibility to the criminal justice system—that confidence that is given as part of visibly seeing police officers out on the beat—is fundamental to confidence and to delivering on reducing crime. He raises a number of important points through his question, and I will gladly ensure that the Minister for Crime and Policing is made aware of what he raises, but the message that must go out is that people need to come forward to report crime where they find it and experience it.
Shadow Comment
Alex Cunningham
Shadow Comment
The Shadow Minister welcomed the statement but criticised the government's inaction over the past decade, highlighting doubled dropout rates among victims and poor confidence in the justice system. He raised concerns about court backlogs and delays in rape case prosecution, calling for immediate action rather than consultations. He questioned the long delay in rolling out section 28 pre-recorded cross-examination and asked about the timeframe. The Labour Party proposed a comprehensive victims Bill that would address many of these issues.
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