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Carrier Strike Group Deployment
26 April 2021
Lead MP
Ben Wallace
Debate Type
Ministerial Statement
Tags
Foreign AffairsBenefits & Welfare
Other Contributors: 21
At a Glance
Ben Wallace raised concerns about carrier strike group deployment in the House of Commons. A government minister responded. Other MPs also contributed.
How the Debate Unfolded
MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said:
Government Statement
The Minister stated that Britain will deploy its carrier strike group, including HMS Queen Elizabeth and supporting warships like Type 45 destroyers and frigates. The deployment aims to strengthen the UK's military presence in the Pacific and Mediterranean seas, focusing on security cooperation with partners such as NATO allies and ASEAN nations while underlining commitment to the international rules-based system. The carrier group will visit over 40 countries, participate in bilateral exercises, and engage in humanitarian assistance and disaster relief operations. He emphasised that this deployment reflects Britain's enduring history of carrier warfare, showcasing cutting-edge technology and supporting UK industrial capabilities.
John Healey
Lab
Rawmarsh and Conisbrough
Question
The deployment fills a significant gap in UK military capability since the Conservative review scrapped aircraft carriers and Harriers. Despite growing state-based threats, will there be enough British warships to sail with our own carriers? And when will Britain have sufficient F-35 fighters for its carriers?
Minister reply
The Secretary of State confirmed that Crowsnest radar is now operational but did not specify full combat readiness status due to ongoing tests. He also stated that the cost of this year's deployment totals £60 million and acknowledged current Royal Navy personnel shortages, yet stressed Britain’s commitment to NATO and regional security despite these challenges.
John Healey
Lab
Rawmarsh and Conisbrough
Question
The right hon. Gentleman put a series of questions to me. On the steel, I am happy to write to him with details of each individual class of ship. As he knows, we are committed to building the Type 26 in the United Kingdom; it is under construction on the Clyde. In Rosyth, work is ongoing to build the facility needed to build the Type 31s and the subsequent Type 32s. He also knows that I recently recategorised the future Fleet Solid Support ship as a warship. I intend to make sure that, if not entirely, there is a considerable degree of UK build in that process, subject to tender.
Minister reply
I echo what the right hon. Gentleman said about this being a proud moment for this nation: a British made carrier deploying overseas, protecting Britain’s interests and supporting our allies.
John Healey
Lab
Rawmarsh and Conisbrough
Question
It is important to recognise that throughout all our ships, we try to do our best by our sailors by providing the best equipment we can, and that is often a balance between what is on the shelf in the here and now and what we need to invest in for the future. That is why we have a record research and development budget in the recent defence settlement. It will allow us to invest for the future, so that when we place the orders for subsequent ships and the next generation of submarines, we have British skills and British technology ready to go.
Minister reply
I turn to the right hon. Gentleman’s questions about sovereign capability. It is perfectly possible; we have 18 F-35s and we could put all 18 now on the aircraft carrier—we could have just had a UK sort of 2 squadron—and deploy without other ships alongside if we wished to, but as I said at the beginning of this exercise, this is about the fact that our strength, compared with that of our adversaries, is that we have friends and alliances. To attack us is to attack NATO. To attack us is to attack our allies. That is our real strength globally—it is what the Australians would say, what the United States would say, and what all our European friends would say. When countries were ringing up saying, “We’d like to join you,” it would have been wrong to miss the opportunity. More countries offered than we took that wanted to sail with us and stand up for our common values.
John Healey
Lab
Rawmarsh and Conisbrough
Question
I am pleased to say that Crowsnest is now being rolled out onboard Queen Elizabeth, and I look forward to reports of its use and deployment. It is important that we recognise that this has to be delivered. I have been clear with the manufacturers that it needs to be delivered to spec and operate well, because it is obviously important to the protection of our carrier group.
Minister reply
There are plenty of covid safeguards in place. We are all very mindful of the need to protect our sailors. All our sailors will be vaccinated and protected on the deployment. By the time they go into the Mediterranean, they will all be properly doubly vaccinated to make sure that we can give our friends and allies the assurance that the crew are protected.
John Healey
Lab
Rawmarsh and Conisbrough
Question
The right hon. Gentleman mentioned the number of ships and the increase and decrease in the numbers. As I said at the time of the Command Paper, numbers are important, but availability is even more important. I have taken the decision that we will invest in some new classes of ship, so we have more ships. Yes, there will be a drop in hulls for a short period, but at the same time, because of the investment we are doing on availability, we will have more time at sea. That is equally important.
Minister reply
I went to Portsmouth today and stood on a brand-new carrier deck, looking at a number of Type 45s ready to accompany the group, but some of those other ships tied alongside were a sorry sight. People have lots of money to buy ships, but not a lot to maintain them. They were hollowed out year on year.
John Healey
Lab
Rawmarsh and Conisbrough
Question
The right hon. Gentleman will make his points about previous Conservative Governments, but the fact is that such hollowing out was common practice across the board under both the Labour and Conservative Governments I served under as a soldier. That is something that I hope this defence settlement will put to rest.
Minister reply
Finally, on NATO, absolutely it is our cornerstone. Our home beat, as I often call it, is the Atlantic. That is where our most aggressive adversary is active.
Tobias Ellwood
Con
Bournemouth East
Question
I join the Defence Secretary in sending condolences to the Indonesians on the loss of their submarine crew. I welcome the carrier’s maiden deployment but question whether avoiding the Taiwan strait sets a dangerous precedent, and asks if our Royal Navy will soon be too small to meet operational commitments.
Minister reply
Agrees that the world is becoming more unstable and unpredictable, emphasising the need for strengthening alliances rather than focusing solely on one threat. The carrier group's deployment includes meeting US carrier groups in the Pacific, exercising together, and supporting NATO missions in the Black sea.
Stewart McDonald
SNP
Clydebank and Copland
Question
Passes condolences to Indonesia and questions the Indo-Pacific tilt's focus on trade over security. Asks for assurances that Britain will not be left undefended closer to home, inquires about Black sea support specifics, and asks for a timeline on fleet solid support ships competition.
Minister reply
Emphasises the importance of securing trade through defence and mentions ongoing capabilities like Type 23s, Type 45s, P-8s, and submarines based at Faslane. Plans to stick with scheduled Black sea deployments and not be intimidated by recent friction in Ukraine.
Julian Lewis
Con
New Forest East
Question
Asks if the US's involvement enhances the deterrent effect, particularly in a digital age where surface ships might face disadvantages against peer enemies armed with hypersonic missiles.
Minister reply
Agrees that strategic allies like the US are crucial for deterring adversaries. The US commander on HMS Queen Elizabeth praised its capabilities and the partnership is about defending mutual interests.
Jamie Stone
Lib Dem
Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross
Question
Highlights a drone landing incident at Invergordon and asks what defences are in place to protect against similar threats with ill intent.
Minister reply
Acknowledges the challenge posed by small drones but reveals limited details on protective measures due to security concerns. Emphasises that the ship will be bristling with sensors during deployment.
Richard Drax
Con
South Dorset
Question
Sends condolences and welcomes the historic deployment of HMS Queen Elizabeth, questioning if it provides greater flexibility to cope with future tasks.
Minister reply
Agrees that the carrier group will provide long-term operational flexibility. The ships are designed for a wide range of tasks beyond peer-to-peer conflict, including counter-terrorism duties.
Kevan Jones
Lab
Durham North
Question
The MP expressed his agreement with the Secretary of State's statement on the deployment of HMS Prince of Wales, but raised concerns about the US Government Accountability Office’s report highlighting persistent problems around F-35 engines and spare parts. He asked for assurance that these issues will be addressed to ensure capability support and future flying capacity.
Minister reply
The Minister acknowledged the concern and expressed that keeping an eye on supply chain issues is crucial, noting that a significant part of every F-35 plane is made in Lancashire, highlighting UK's tier 1 partnership status.
Philip Dunne
Con
Ludlow
Question
The MP welcomed the deployment and acknowledged the challenges faced during construction. He asked about lessons learned from this process for future procurement processes, particularly concerning fleet solid support vessels accompanying the carrier strike group, and inquired about a timeline for their deployment.
Minister reply
The Minister confirmed the importance of learning from past experiences for future combat air system projects. Regarding fleet solid support ships, he mentioned delays but anticipated innovative methods to ensure best value and skills base improvement, aiming for early publication of the competition.
Toby Perkins
Lab
Chesterfield
Question
The MP welcomed the maiden deployment and acknowledged its historical context. He inquired about Britain’s capability for both carriers to go to sea simultaneously with British support, highlighting sovereign capability.
Minister reply
The Minister confirmed that technically it is possible but not envisaged unless during war or significant stress; currently, preparations focus on individual carrier operations.
Thomas Tugendhat
Con
Tonbridge and Malling
Question
The MP paid tribute to the Royal Navy’s preparation for deployment and asked about future cooperation with Japan, including potential F-35 integration and Five Eyes community membership.
Minister reply
The Minister expressed hope in strengthening ties with Japan, mentioning upcoming operations involving Japanese F-35s. He acknowledged Japan's strategic importance but did not commit to immediate Five Eyes membership.
Question
Inquired about the integrated approach towards international crises like India’s current covid situation and asked what planning is underway for future pandemic responses.
Minister reply
The Minister emphasised the importance of joined-up working both internally and internationally, highlighting recent efforts in responding to India's needs and stressing the need for better integration within international bodies.
Bob Stewart
Con
Beckenham
Question
Expressed concern over Chinese activities in South China Sea and questioned why UK does not allow ships from Taiwan to join taskforce or visit Taipei, urging a reconsideration of approach towards Chinese aggression.
Minister reply
The Minister acknowledged concerns about Chinese behavior but emphasised the importance of upholding international law and human rights while engaging in strategic deployments through carrier groups.
Geraint Davies
Lab
Swansea West
Question
My father served on the carrier HMS Victorious, hunting down the Bismarck, so I welcome the Queen Elizabeth carrier strike group. However, what will the cost of this deployment be? What will the carbon footprint be? What message will it send in relation to COP26? And are there any plans for the Navy overall to try to reduce its carbon footprint and, indeed, the carbon footprint of our trade?
Minister reply
On the carbon footprint and the environment, as shipbuilding tsar, I am part of steering initiatives right across Government to invest in alternative energy or alternative fuels. There are a number of initiatives, including helping British shipping to lead in this area, thereby gaining an advantage over competitors. The cost includes marginal and real costs, and all different costs set out, which will be detailed in a letter to the hon. Gentleman.
Joy Morrissey
Con
Beaconsfield
Question
My right hon. Friend said that the carrier strike group will be NATO’s first fifth generation carrier strike capability. Does he agree that fifth generation technology is hugely significant for our modern-day armed forces?
Minister reply
Yes, absolutely. The generation has traits such as situation awareness, data processing capabilities and stealth, which do not stand still; we are already committed to a sixth generation fighter programme (FCAS) for the RAF.
Question
As the wife of a submariner, may I join others in sending my condolences to the families of the Indonesian submariners who have been lost in this tragic accident? For many years, we have been pushing on fleet solid support ships. In the integrated review, the Government committed to a fleet of three FSSs required for the carrier strike group. We have been pressing for all of them to be built entirely in UK yards, so will the Secretary of State finally confirm that the full contract will go to UK yards?
Minister reply
We are on the cusp of issuing the full competition and I am reclassifying it as a warship with conditions in the contract aimed at increasing skills and supporting the British shipbuilding industry. The details will be revealed when the tender is put out.
Shadow Comment
John Healey
Shadow Comment
The Shadow Secretary expressed condolences for the Indonesian submarine incident and welcomed the first major deployment of HMS Queen Elizabeth. However, he questioned whether Britain can operate carriers independently given planned cuts to frigate numbers and delayed Crowsnest radar development. He also raised concerns about the limited number of British F-35 fighters on board compared to US planes and noted potential diplomatic limitations due to covid restrictions. The Labour MP urged focus on areas with immediate threats such as NATO regions facing Russian aggression, rather than spreading resources thinly across global opportunities.
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