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UK Military Personnel Serving Overseas: Vaccination
23 June 2021
Lead MP
James Heappey
Debate Type
Ministerial Statement
Tags
Defence
Other Contributors: 18
At a Glance
James Heappey raised concerns about uk military personnel serving overseas: vaccination in the House of Commons. A government minister responded. Other MPs also contributed.
How the Debate Unfolded
MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said:
Government Statement
In response to the successful launch of the UK's covid vaccination programme, efforts were initiated to ensure that armed forces personnel would have access to vaccines as quickly and efficiently as possible. The aim was for all personnel to be offered vaccinations no later than they would at home, with specific groups prioritised based on their criticality. As of now, 100% of vaccines required for personnel in overseas locations have been dispatched. For those actively deployed overseas, first dose vaccination has reached 95%, and second doses stand at 61%. It was assured that every eligible person across Defence would be offered a first vaccine dose by 19 July.
Tobias Ellwood
Con
Question
Asked for a detailed explanation regarding why there is no bespoke vaccination programme for deployed UK military personnel, citing an urgent need considering recent outbreaks in Mali and the importance of protecting troops.
Minister reply
Acknowledged the urgency but stated that vaccinations are carried out based on national guidelines. Personnel receive vaccines according to their age cohort, with exceptions made where local medical facilities allow for earlier vaccination.
John Healey
Lab
Rawmarsh and Conisbrough
Question
Challenged the Defence Ministers' prioritization of vaccinations for overseas personnel. Raised concerns over the current situation in Mali, questioning why troops were not vaccinated before deployment as other NATO allies have done.
Minister reply
Clarified that vaccines are administered based on national guidelines and age cohorts, with exceptions made for those deployed where local facilities allow earlier vaccination. Stated 98.6% of personnel have received their first dose, and 56% the second dose. Also addressed recent activities involving HMS Defender in the Black Sea.
Andrew Bowie
Con
West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine
Question
Asked for reassurance that all deployed personnel would receive both jabs as a priority.
Minister reply
Confirmed 95% of overseas-deployed personnel have received their first dose. Provided context on how the national programme's prioritization by age cohort has affected overseas deployments.
Carol Monaghan
SNP
Glasgow North West
Question
I think many of us are shocked to hear some of the Minister’s comments today. He seems proud of the numbers testing positive in Mali. We should not have any testing positive at all because they should have received a double vaccination. When we are sending troops into a conflict situation, they must be given appropriate personal protective equipment, including vaccination against whatever the threat is, and clearly covid is a big threat at the moment. The Government have a duty of care to those in the armed forces to ensure that they are able to carry out their duties and that operations are not threatened by illness. There is a potential threat to national security as well. Why have the Government not prioritised the armed forces for vaccination, regardless of whether they are serving at home or abroad? Can the Minister assure me that from this point on, personnel will not be deployed overseas without receiving both doses of vaccine? How many Royal Navy ships have had to restrict their operations due to covid outbreaks?
Minister reply
First, I would like to challenge the hon. Lady: I am not sure that correcting the assertion that there had been 80 positive cases with the fact that there had been 24 shows pride in that fact; it is just correcting the record in response to the question from my right hon. Friend the Member for Bournemouth East (Mr Ellwood) in the first place. It is certainly the case that everybody who is deploying on operations now has been jabbed. That goes without saying given that we are now at the stage where everybody under the age of 40 has had their jab. It is not necessarily the case that everybody has had two jabs and not necessarily possible to accelerate that. The Royal Anglian battlegroup, for example, who have just deployed to Mali, have had their first jab. They will receive their second when the appropriate period of time has passed between jabs. Otherwise there is no point in jabbing them because the effectiveness of the vaccination will not be as high as it should be. However, we have certainly reached a point in the vaccination programme where everybody who is being deployed has been vaccinated.
Jamie Stone
Lib Dem
Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross
Question
Clearly we must make sure that there is availability of vaccinations, and we must do everything we can to build public trust right across society, including our armed forces, in the effectiveness of the vaccinations. There has recently been some press comment about what the Government might do with those in the armed forces who refuse to accept the vaccine. I seek two reassurances from the Minister: first, that the maximum will be done to persuade them of the advisability of having a vaccination; and secondly, that they will not have their careers damaged because of their refusal to accept the vaccine.
Minister reply
The hon. Gentleman makes a very important point. It is not in our gift to order people to take a medication should they not wish to do so. Prior to deployments where we have been seeking to fully vaccinate beforehand, we have been having a conversation with those who have expressed concern to try to reassure them that the vaccine is entirely safe and that it is in their interest to take it. I can absolutely assure him that anybody who needs to be removed from an operational deployment because of their unwillingness to take a vaccine is not in any way career fouled as a consequence.
Caroline Nokes
Con
Romsey and Southampton North
Question
The reports of events in the Black sea remind us of why families worry when they have serving personnel at sea or serving abroad. Can my hon. Friend reassure the constituents who have contacted me on this issue that the vaccine roll-out programme to our brave men and women is going well and will hit the targets he has outlined?
Minister reply
I certainly can. The second doses will all be deployed so that everybody overseas gets them as soon after their first dose as is medically advisable. Achieving that is not without challenge: getting these doses forward can require quite a logistical effort given some of the locations in which our people serve, but that has gone well and it is testament to military planners in the Ministry of Defence and the Defence Medical Services that that is the case.
Chris Elmore
Lab
Bridgend
Question
It is obviously deeply troubling, no matter how many service personnel who have been deployed have now got covid—whether the number is 80 or 28 or whatever the clarification the Minister has given—that there are also media reports that those personnel did not have enough test kits or enough space in order to self-isolate. Can the Minister clarify that he is doing all he can to get test kits out to those service personnel who are defending us, as it should be the first duty of Ministers to protect service personnel who are protecting us, and can he ensure that any troops deployed in the coming months on operations will have everything they need in terms of testing and space to self-isolate if, unfortunately, they contract covid-19?
Minister reply
We do not recognise the reports in the press about lack of access to testing equipment; I have been assured that testing equipment was available in all theatres. The ability to self-isolate is slightly more challenging in some military settings than in others; in submarines, for example, it is quite hard, but in many other deployments it is perfectly possible. We do our best to make such provision available, but obviously field conditions are at times a slightly austere environment, in which case that is not always possible.
Question
I welcome the update on vaccinations for our forces. While the MOD has a clear responsibility to protect its people, does the Minister agree that our forces will always get on with the task in hand and will generally be comfortable with risk in the face of adversity, a lesson that can perhaps be extended more broadly to our fight against the pandemic today?
Minister reply
My hon. Friend is right of course that people in our armed forces do accept a heightened risk. However, the risk that they offer to accept is ordinarily one that is posed by the enemy, and we in the MOD certainly do not assume that they are willing and able to accept a higher risk of infection from a virus. The judgment that was made was not around their acceptance of risk; it was made around the fact that military personnel are invariably young, fit and healthy, so when decisions were made about the prioritisation of vaccine it felt correct—and I stand by this now—to prioritise the vaccination of those who were more elderly and vulnerable at home rather than those who were younger, fitter and healthier and serving overseas.
Question
We are all aware of the rigid, dogmatic vaccination policies of the Health Department bureaucrats and the utter failure of the Health Ministers to inject some common sense—they really are hopeless—but the Minister’s pitiful response today shows that Defence Ministers have meekly gone along with this. So the real question is why did our Defence Ministers not show some backbone by standing up for our troops and insisting on vaccines before deployment, if necessary forcing a decision for the Prime Minister? Can the Minister explain that failure?
Minister reply
I think I have answered the question already. We made the case for priority vaccination for those whom we felt needed to be vaccinated because it was unrealistic to vaccinate them other than as a priority right at the start of vaccination programmes—the nuclear deterrent quick reaction alert aircrew for example. Thereafter it was perfectly possible to safely vaccinate members of the armed forces in line with their age cohort, and the correct judgment was made in prioritising those who were more elderly and vulnerable at home.
Bob Blackman
Con
Harrow East
Question
We now have a clear position whereby two vaccinations are required, with a period of time obviously required between those vaccinations to maximise the efficacy of the vaccine. Will my hon. Friend give me an assurance that when we are vaccinating our armed forces, we are ensuring not only that the intervals between the jabs are maintained, but that we are allowing a period of time after the second jab is provided before our armed forces are sent on deployments, so that they are given the maximum possible protection from covid-19?
Minister reply
I cannot do that, because we have made sure that our forces have received their first jabs in line with or ahead of their contemporaries in the general population. They will receive their second doses at the appropriate time thereafter—once deployed, in the case of those recently deployed to Mali. I think that is an appropriate way of doing this. These are young, fit and healthy people, and they will get both their first and second doses well ahead of their contemporaries at home.
Question
Can I say to the Minister that there is a clue in his title: Minister of State for the Armed Forces? It is about standing up for our armed forces. Like my right hon. Friend the Member for Warley (John Spellar), I find it astounding that the Minister has just followed Department of Health guidance, rather than saying that there is a priority need, as the right hon. Member for Bournemouth East (Mr Ellwood) said, for people to have been vaccinated before overseas operations. Let me ask the Minister directly about the 28 personnel —or whatever the number is, because he gave me a different one in a written answer about Mali the other day. What operational effect did that actually have on our contribution to the multinational force that is out there, because that is the key test? I just find it unacceptable that we did not vaccinate people against covid before they went.
Minister reply
First, there is an important point of fact: the battle group to which the right hon. Gentleman refers deployed in December 2020, before any vaccine had been certified. It would have been impossible to have vaccinated the Light Dragoons battle group before they were even deployed.
Wendy Chamberlain
Lib Dem
North East Fife
Question
Although this is a question about defence personnel overseas, may I take a moment to thank the members of the armed forces who have helped with vaccine roll-out at home, including those from Leuchars in my constituency. What discussions did the MOD have with deployed military personnel before deciding on the strategy that has clearly been the subject of this urgent question?
Minister reply
I echo the hon. Member’s thanks to all those military personnel who have been involved not just in the vaccine taskforce, but in all other parts of the response to the covid pandemic. Decisions such as this are initially decisions for policy makers in Government. I think that I have been very clear about our willingness as a ministerial team to own the decision; I think it was the right one. There were no conversations beyond that with any of the agencies or organisations mentioned.
Question
My hon. Friend will be aware that there are British troops deployed in northern Iraq, training peshmerga forces against Daesh. With our deployment growing over the next year, can my hon. Friend assure me that anybody deployed there will be fully vaccinated and have equal access to vaccines?
Minister reply
I can reassure my hon. Friend that 96% of people currently serving on Op Shader are vaccinated and 31% have had their second dose. They will receive their second doses as soon as it is medically advisable for them to do so. However, I cannot assure him that it is policy to vaccinate the troops with whom they are partnering.
Question
Will the Minister publish details of the risk assessment undertaken to determine why our troops were not fast-tracked for vaccine before deployment in high-risk areas?
Minister reply
I will write to the hon. Gentleman.
Andrew Gwynne
Ind
Gorton and Denton
Question
Our service personnel deserve full vaccination before deployment on overseas missions. When US, France, Germany and others have fully vaccinated their forces, why is it different for us? Can the Minister make it clear to the House whether the 12-week extended gap or the three-week gap recommended by vaccine manufacturers applies?
Minister reply
I will write to the hon. Gentleman if this is incorrect, but I believe that we are working on around a four-week gap.
Question
Thanking the Minister for his reassurance about HMS Defender in the Black sea, and celebrating all who were involved in the vaccine roll-out, will he reassure me that all our armed forces will be prioritised for vaccinations from the youngest recruit to those approaching retirement?
Minister reply
I certainly join my hon. Friend in celebrating all who serve and have served in our nation’s armed forces. We are vaccinating the vast majority of the armed forces community, with the exception of those involved in nuclear deterrence and other niche tasks, in line with wider priorities. Delivery has taken place such that the vast majority of our armed forces are being vaccinated ahead of their contemporaries in the general population.
Jim Shannon
DUP
Strangford
Question
Thanking service personnel for putting a lot on the line to serve, and those families back home who have grave concerns about their loved ones serving overseas, what has been done to assure both members of these families at home and away that they will be safe?
Minister reply
The hon. Gentleman raises an important point; as someone who served overseas on operations, I knew I was okay until I was not, but for those left behind—the families of our serving personnel—there is a daily worry about their safety and the threats they are facing. Many colleagues in the House have written to me on behalf of parents and loved ones of people deploying to seek reassurance about the vaccination programme, and we have made sure that this has been given to them.
Shadow Comment
Tobias Ellwood
Shadow Comment
The shadow minister expressed concern over the lack of a bespoke vaccination programme for deployed UK military personnel. He highlighted that despite relying on military support in various national efforts against covid, there was no such priority for those serving overseas. A reported outbreak involving 80 cases in Mali illustrated the potential risks involved. Tobias Ellwood urged the MOD to grant key worker status to all personnel currently abroad and to urgently vaccinate them.
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