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Covid-19 Update
06 September 2021
Lead MP
Nadhim Zahawi
Debate Type
Ministerial Statement
Tags
NHSSocial CareTaxationEmploymentParliamentary Procedure
Other Contributors: 34
At a Glance
Nadhim Zahawi raised concerns about covid-19 update in the House of Commons. A government minister responded. Other MPs also contributed.
How the Debate Unfolded
MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said:
Government Statement
With the permission of Madam Deputy Speaker, Nadhim Zahawi provided an update on the UK's covid-19 vaccination programme. He highlighted that over 91 million vaccines have been administered across the country, preventing over 100,000 deaths and over 143,000 hospitalisations. The minister announced that vaccine eligibility has expanded to include 16 and 17-year-olds, who have enthusiastically responded with more than half of them receiving their jabs since becoming eligible last month. He also mentioned the ongoing efforts to vaccinate pregnant women and those with weakened immune systems, stressing the importance of these measures in building a 'wall of defence' against the virus. Zahawi indicated that decisions on offering vaccines to 12 to 15-year-olds without underlying health conditions would be made shortly based on advice from chief medical officers.
Jon Ashworth
Lab
Leicester South
Question
Mr Ashworth questioned whether there would be sufficient resources to vaccinate children aged 12-15 if the chief medical officers recommend it, and asked about the timeline for rolling out such a vaccination programme. He also inquired about the number of schools that have had ventilation systems installed during the pandemic.
Minister reply
Mr Zahawi did not provide an explicit response to Mr Ashworth's question regarding resources and timelines but indicated that decisions would be made shortly based on advice from chief medical officers. Regarding school ventilation, no specific figures were given in the statement.
Jon Ashworth
Lab
Leicester South
Question
The shadow minister raised concerns about delays in flu vaccine delivery and their potential impact on the winter season, also asking if these delays might affect plans for a booster jab campaign.
Minister reply
Mr Zahawi did not provide specific commitments to address these issues directly but emphasised ongoing efforts to deepen the 'wall of defence' through additional doses for immunosuppressed individuals.
Jon Ashworth
Lab
Leicester South
Question
Mr Ashworth criticised the government's social care policy, noting that it did not meet expectations and questioned why there would be a rise in national insurance despite previous assurances.
Minister reply
The minister did not directly address these points raised by Mr Ashworth during his statement.
Jon Ashworth
Lab
Leicester West
Question
I thank the Minister for advance sight of his statement. Like him, I praise all our NHS staff. I particularly want to associate myself with the remarks about the safety of the vaccine for pregnant women. Children’s health and wellbeing has always been a driving priority of mine. The record will show that I have been asking in this House about the vaccination of adolescents for some months... (Question as provided)
Minister reply
I am grateful to the right hon. Member for his support and his words on the vaccination of pregnant women and the protection that the vaccine offers them. On JCVI advice, it looked at 12 to 15-year-olds' narrow impact but advises chief medical officers to look at wider impacts... (Answer as provided)
Jeremy Hunt
Con
Godalming and Waverley
Question
I have great respect for the excellent job that my right hon. Friend is doing. He will know that Israel shows that even a good vaccination programme does not stop the Delta variant driving up hospitalisations... (Question as provided)
Minister reply
I am grateful for my right hon. Friend’s excellent question. I would say two things: first, in many ways, the decision taken by our chief medical officers to increase the dosing interval from three to 12 weeks was an inspired and clinically important decision... (Answer as provided)
Lisa Cameron
Ind
Question
Expresses gratitude for the vaccination roll-out updates and highlights concerns about mental health support, especially for young people. Cites Royal College of Psychiatrists' warning of a 'mental health crisis'.
Minister reply
Acknowledges the importance of mental health and mentions additional funding to primary care for GPs.
Miriam Cates
Con
Question
Asks the Minister if the chief medical officer's recommendation on vaccinating healthy children should be based solely on health benefits, not political decisions.
Minister reply
Explains that the chief medical officers are looking at both health and other factors, including mental health.
Rupa Huq
Lab
Ealing Central and Acton
Question
Requests more pop-up vaccination events for young people instead of relying on traditional methods.
Minister reply
Agrees to make it easier for young people to access vaccinations, including walk-in options.
William Wragg
Con
Question
Questions the Minister about vaccine passports and suggests they are discriminatory.
Minister reply
Explains that a covid certificate is being considered to keep certain industries open without causing repeated closures.
Munira Wilson
Lib Dem
Twickenham
Question
Asks for prioritisation of booster jabs for clinically extremely vulnerable individuals, not just the most at-risk.
Minister reply
Confirms that advice from JCVI will be followed regarding booster jabs for different categories.
Caroline Johnson
Con
Sleaford and North Hykeham
Question
Discusses the JCVI's assessment of risks and benefits for vaccinating 12 to 15-year-olds, noting that disruptions to education are now less severe.
Minister reply
Reassures that there is no political influence on the decision-making process regarding vaccine recommendations.
Jeff Smith
Lab
Manchester Withington
Question
Raises concerns about the impact of vaccine passports for nightclubs and suggests it could lead to more illegal events.
Minister reply
Acknowledges industry concerns and indicates that feedback is being considered.
Mike Penning
Con
Question
Praises the NHS for their work but highlights the exhaustion of volunteers and asks for clearer information on when they will be needed.
Minister reply
Acknowledges the importance of volunteer support and confirms that notice is given based on need, though it must flex depending on advice.
Alistair Carmichael
Lib Dem
Orkney and Shetland
Question
It will not be lost on many people that the various lines of defence that the Minister listed in his statement did not actually include his plans for vaccine passports, presumably because they do not offer us any defence at all. Taking a leaf from the book of the hon. Member for Hazel Grove (Mr Wragg), may I remind the Minister of what he said on Twitter on 12 January? He wrote: “We have no plans to introduce vaccine passports…No one has been given or will be required to have a vaccine passport.” When no less a person than Claire Fox said, “Good to hear. Again. Can we hold you to this?” the Minister replied: “Yes you can Claire.” For Claire and the many others like her who want to hold the Minister to his words, may I ask when we will get the vote that he promised us?
Minister reply
I am grateful for the right hon. Gentleman’s question. It is an important question that I want to address head-on, because it is about statements on Twitter; I understand that I am “trending” on Twitter. I was asked about this by Tom Swarbrick, who replayed to me my February interview. I said to him that the difference between then and now was first that the Delta variant is so much more infections than the previous variants—it takes only a very few particles for someone to be infected—and secondly that we have learnt from the experience of other countries which attempted to reopen sectors such as the nightclub sector and then had to close them rapidly because of super-spreader events. We do know that 60% of people who have had two jabs will not become infected with the Delta variant and therefore cannot infect someone else, although 40% will and can. This is a relative risk that we want to avoid: what we do not want to do is open the industry and then have to shut it down again because of those super-spreader events.
Question
All UK adults have now been offered a first dose, and I think it is worth reflecting on what a remarkable achievement that is on the part of the country, the volunteers and indeed the Minister, who deserves a great deal of credit. We have long since protected the vulnerable, and surely very soon we will offer them that booster jab. Until this point I thought I had understood the strategy completely, but now I am not so sure. What is it? Is it about case numbers, which we still broadcast every day? We never did that when I was in the Minister’s Department and influenza was having a bad year. My question goes to the heart of the stuff about covid status certification, and about vaccinating healthy children. In short, what is the strategy now? What do the Government mean when they say we must learn to live with covid?
Minister reply
I am grateful for my hon. Friend’s important and thoughtful question, and for his words of encouragement as well. Let us look at what the vaccines have achieved. We have achieved a situation in which we have weakened—severely weakened—the link between cases going up rapidly, serious infection, hospitalisation and death. We are in a very different place today. This new equilibrium is where we want to be able to head to in steady state.
Meg Hillier
Lab Co-op
Hackney South and Shoreditch
Question
It is interesting to note that the Minister has a short-term job in some respects, as the vaccines Minister. He should perhaps recognise that some of us are in favour of covid passports because they should also be a short-term measure, and it will probably be a sign of his success if they are. My main point, however, is that the Minister dangled in front of us—although I know that this is not in the written statement that was circulated—the extra money going into the NHS. I have mentioned the short-term nature of the Minister’s job in some respects, but it is long-term funding that is needed.
Minister reply
I have grateful for the hon. Lady’s words, including those about the issue of vaccine certification, on which I agree with her. No one in this Government, and certainly not this Prime Minister—as I said at the weekend, it goes against his DNA—wants to curtail people’s freedoms, so we will not do this lightly at the end of September.
Andrew Murrison
Con
South West Wiltshire
Question
Six years ago we lost 28,000 people to seasonal flu. Can the Minister assure me that we will not prioritise the jabbing of 12 to 15-year-olds over the seasonal flu programme, given that the number of children whom we would lose to covid would be vanishingly small in any event? Can he also assure me that in his planning he has considered not only the 15-minute wait that the Pfizer jab requires, but the extra time and effort that are required to get truly informed consent from children whose motivation cannot be clinical, must be altruistic, and may be subject to peer pressure?
Minister reply
Let me try to unpack my hon. Friend’s question. First, no decision has been made on vaccinating 12 to 15-year-olds who are healthy. We are vaccinating those who are vulnerable. We will not pre-empt the important work that the chief medical officers are doing and on which they are experts.
Wendy Chamberlain
Lib Dem
North East Fife
Question
In his statement, the Minister emphasised that universities should get double jags, but before the recess I highlighted the case of students who had had a jag in Scotland and a jag in England, and had been unable to travel abroad because their covid certification was not clear. At the time, someone from NHS Digital said that they were working on doing the same in England with the NHS covid pass. Given that people who have jags in different parts of the four nations may be discriminated against by vaccine passports, can the Minister provide an update on how that is progressing?
Minister reply
I will go back and check, but I am almost certain that the NHS England system is now able to take in data from Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland in terms of jabs—or jags.
Question
I thank the Minister for his statement, and also for recognising the young people who were at low risk but have taken up the offer of a jab to protect more vulnerable people in their families, workplaces and communities. The figures that the Minister presented on pregnant women needing hospital treatment for covid were very stark. Can he reassure me that pregnant ladies are obtaining advice at the earlier possible opportunity from their GPs or midwives, and are themselves being reassured that the jag is safe for them and for their unborn children?
Minister reply
I can give my hon. Friend that reassurance. We have a pretty substantial outreach programme, including webinars with midwives so that they are given all the available tools to ensure that pregnant women are given the protection that they so vitally require.
Tim Farron
Lib Dem
Westmorland and Lonsdale
Question
The effective cut-off for care home staff to get their first jag in order to comply with the Government’s deadline is just 10 days away, and those who are not double-jagged in time will not be able to work in care homes. However, there has yet to be any unequivocal guidance on who will be exempt from this, and care home managers in my constituency are desperately concerned, especially in the light of the most unprecedented care home staffing crisis in a generation. They are desperate for that guidance. Will the Minister provide it today?
Minister reply
The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right: 11 November is the date by which care homes and care home providers will have to comply with the legislation on the vaccination programme. I would be happy to share with him the guidance and the communication that we have sent out to the sector, and I will write to him after this statement.
David Mundell
Con
Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale
Question
Inquired about the recognition of vaccinations administered abroad, specifically mentioning a constituent's experience with AstraZeneca vaccines in Saudi Arabia.
Minister reply
Confirmed work is underway to recognise vaccinations from a list of approved vaccines in various countries through pilot schemes.
Jim Shannon
DUP
Strangford
Question
Asked for reassurance that no child will be vaccinated without explicit parental consent and that refusal would not impact the child's education.
Minister reply
Stated that no decision has been made regarding vaccinating 12 to 15-year-olds; parental consent is required, and NHS follows Gillick competence guidelines.
Question
Suggested adults who have not yet vaccinated should be prioritised over children and asked if parents should make the decision regarding vaccinations for their children.
Minister reply
Reiterated that parental consent is required in any school-age vaccination programme; no decision has been made about vaccinating 12 to 15-year-olds.
Question
Expressed gratitude towards the Minister, his officials, and NHS for the successful vaccine roll-out and congratulated St John’s volunteers.
Minister reply
Acknowledged and thanked St John’s volunteers for their significant contribution to the vaccination effort.
Ben Spencer
Con
Runnymede and Weybridge
Question
Asked about the shift from covid status certification to vaccine-only passports by September end, seeking clarity on the criteria.
Minister reply
Explained that testing-based certification can be undermined by self-testing fraud; vaccination-based certification is more effective for preventing transmission and hospitalisation.
Question
Asked when a debate and vote on vaccine passports will take place.
Minister reply
Responded that the matter would be addressed shortly.
Question
Inquired about utilising pharmacies and vaccination hubs for the booster programme alongside routine contacts such as winter flu jab appointments.
Minister reply
Confirmed work is being done with primary care networks to enhance pharmacy offers for the booster programme.
Question
Asked about the expanded use of vaccine passports in larger venues and gatherings, seeking clarity on when this might end.
Minister reply
Stated that no one curtails freedoms lightly; it is purely to sustain an open economy until the virus transitions from pandemic to endemic status.
Question
Asked if medical autonomy will be removed from NHS workers as it was for care home staff.
Minister reply
Confirmed a consultation on this issue would follow due to the duty of care towards vulnerable individuals in hospitals or care homes.
Question
Asked about coordinating flu vaccinations and covid booster jabs for high uptake, including ensuring timely delivery.
Minister reply
Agreed to do everything possible to ensure coordination and timely delivery of both vaccines.
Julian Lewis
Con
New Forest East
Question
Asked about the potential gap in protection for older age groups who received their jabs earlier.
Minister reply
Acknowledged that a group of older patients had earlier doses and will be prioritised for boosters when data from Cov-Boost is available.
Question
Congratulated the 'Grab a Jab' team in Aylesbury and urged 16 to 17-year-olds to get vaccinated.
Minister reply
Urged all 16 and 17-year-olds to come forward for vaccination, thanking the 'Grab a Jab' team.
Mike Wood
Con
Kingswinford and South Staffordshire
Question
The strongest incentive for getting the vaccine is obviously to protect yourself and your loved ones. Although the risk of covid to secondary school-age children may be low, the risk to those they live with could be much higher. Will the chief medical officers consider offering covid vaccines to 12 to 15-year-olds who live with immunosuppressed or other extremely clinically vulnerable people in their household?
Minister reply
My understanding is that, for 12 to 15-year-olds who are healthy, the chief medical officer is looking at the impact on them specifically, whether it be their mental health or the other impacts of disruption to education. He is consulting widely with local directors of public health and the Royal Colleges.
Shadow Comment
Jon Ashworth
Shadow Comment
Jon Ashworth thanked the Minister for his statement and praised NHS staff. He raised concerns about children’s health, emphasising that although they were not front and centre in the pandemic, they have been heavily impacted. The shadow minister questioned the resources available to vaccinate eligible children if recommended by chief medical officers and inquired about timelines for implementation. Ashworth also pointed out issues with flu vaccine delivery delays and ventilator installation in schools, expressing worries about a potential flu crisis this winter. He criticised the government's failure to protect care homes as promised and called into question the Prime Minister’s promise of no rise in national insurance for social care.
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