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Northern Ireland Elections
09 November 2022
Lead MP
Chris Heaton-Harris
Debate Type
Ministerial Statement
Tags
EconomyBrexitStandards & Ethics
Other Contributors: 27
At a Glance
Chris Heaton-Harris raised concerns about northern ireland elections in the House of Commons. A government minister responded. Other MPs also contributed.
How the Debate Unfolded
MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said:
Government Statement
The Minister for the Union, Chris Heaton-Harris, addressed the failure of the devolved Government of Northern Ireland to form a new Executive since May. The minister emphasised that restoring the functioning Assembly and Executive is the government's top priority as it upholds the Belfast/Good Friday agreement. Since 28 October, when the legal deadline for forming an Executive passed, Heaton-Harris has engaged with various stakeholders in Northern Ireland and noted widespread opposition to new elections due to deteriorating public services and financial instability. The minister proposed extending the period for Executive formation until 8 December, potentially to 19 January if necessary, to allow more time for negotiations between UK Government and European Commission as well as for local parties to resolve their differences. He also announced plans to introduce legislation enabling Northern Ireland Departments to address budgetary concerns and make public appointments in the absence of an Executive. Additionally, the minister stated his intention to reduce MLAs' salaries during this period when the Assembly is not fully functional.
Peter Kyle
Lab
Hove and Portslade
Question
The shadow Secretary of State inquired about the plans for using the extra time granted by extending the deadline, given that the Government wasted the last six months without progress. He also asked whether there would be a commitment to keep the House more updated on Northern Ireland issues than previous practices.
Minister reply
The minister did not provide specific answers within the provided text but stressed the importance of utilising the additional time for further negotiations and discussions that could lead to the restoration of devolved institutions. He also acknowledged the need for regular updates, implying an intention to improve communication with the House.
Peter Kyle
Lab
Hove and Portslade
Question
The MP thanked the Secretary of State for his statement and acknowledged the constructive tone. He noted that Northern Ireland is reeling from Tory dysfunction and stressed the need for clear intentions on how the time will be used, especially given the high inflation and cost of living crisis.
Minister reply
The Minister appreciated Kyle's comments and expressed willingness to convene all parties together while also maintaining individual conversations. He stated that it is not his role to update the House on EU negotiations but would request briefings from the Foreign Secretary for relevant Northern Ireland parties.
Simon Hoare
Con
North Dorset
Question
The MP welcomed the proposals and agreed with the need for bravery, leadership, and compromise. He questioned whether a 'bottom-up' review was necessary given the current impasse.
Minister reply
The Minister acknowledged the importance of the Belfast/Good Friday agreement's principles and emphasised the need for time and space to develop UK-EU negotiations and local party talks.
Question
The MP echoed sentiments about Northern Ireland being best governed locally but also stressed the importance of relations between London, Dublin, and the EU. He questioned whether any new settlement on the protocol should ease trade for all UK parts.
Minister reply
The Minister agreed that a reset in relationships is beneficial and emphasised the need to find a negotiated solution to the protocol.
Question
The MP questioned the irony of full payment for Sinn Féin MPs who do not attend this House.
Minister reply
The Minister acknowledged the point but chose not to comment further on it.
Lagan Valley
Question
The Secretary of State is making a statement under provisions laid out in the New Decade, New Approach agreement. The only part that has not been implemented and honoured by this Government is restoring Northern Ireland’s place in the UK internal market. There was silence from some when Sinn Féin kept Northern Ireland without a government for three years; now it's time to restore power sharing as an integral part of the United Kingdom.
Minister reply
The right hon. Gentleman is thanked for his words and questions. The Northern Ireland Protocol Bill is in Committee in the House of Lords, unamended at this point. This Government’s preferred view is to have a negotiated solution with European partners but the legislation aims for a specific outcome.
Bernard Jenkin
Con
Harwich and North Essex
Question
The state of the Northern Ireland protocol shows that it has not been fully implemented and probably never will be. Might we need to look more grandly and strategically at this question with various interlocutors such as the Republic of Ireland, American allies, European Union and all parties in Northern Ireland about restoring the functioning of the Good Friday agreement?
Minister reply
The sentiment behind my hon. Friend’s question is concurred with. The protocol has serious ramifications for consumers and businesses across Northern Ireland and needs to be reformed.
Colum Eastwood
SDLP
Foyle
Question
May I say at the outset that I was never quiet when Sinn Féin kept the institutions of the Good Friday agreement down? Does he not agree it is pretty shameful in the middle of winter when people and businesses are panicking about their bills, one party prevents a Government from being formed in Northern Ireland so we can deal with those issues?
Minister reply
It would require quite a leap of faith for that to happen at this time due to the concerns of the Unionist community. I am bringing forward legislation to create time and space for UK and EU talks.
Question
The problem is that we need fundamental change to the Northern Ireland protocol, not least because it challenges the very principles of fairness and a shared future in Northern Ireland. When the Foreign Office negotiates with Europe, will it insist on the equivalence of the Northern Ireland Protocol Bill, which is currently going through the House of Lords?
Minister reply
The hon. Friend has rich experience in this area. The Northern Ireland Protocol Bill demonstrates where we want to get to in our relationship with Europe.
Question
Three years on, ‘running’ is hardly the expression any of us would use for protocol negotiations. It is important that we now create trust between the European Commission and the UK Government because in the end the protocol must be made to work which will need compromise on all parts.
Minister reply
Through this statement and the forthcoming legislation, I will be creating the time and space needed for the talks to develop. On behalf of another Secretary of State, I have made commitments about updating the various parties.
Julian Lewis
Con
New Forest East
Question
Whatever the outcome of this necessary delay to the elections issue, will he stand fast by the legislation sponsored by his predecessor to incorporate a statute of limitation in the truth recovery process as a way of ensuring an end to the repeated reinvestigation of former service personnel who served during the troubles?
Minister reply
The Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill is about to have its Second Reading in the other place. Lots of people are not happy with that Bill, but I believe we can improve it through parliamentary process.
Karin Smyth
Lab
Bristol South
Question
The British-Irish relationship has been somewhat problematic for a couple of centuries. The Secretary of State needs to make sure those three strands are fully implemented to help us through both this crisis and the forthcoming crisis.
Minister reply
I intend to spend a lot of time working on all three strands. I would like to think the hon. Lady has already noticed a complete change in tone, emphasis and friendship between the Government of Ireland and the Government of the United Kingdom.
Question
Welcomes the opportunity for dialogue, reconciliation and compromise in Northern Ireland. Asks if all parties should use this time to break the stalemate and restore the Executive before the anniversary of the Belfast/Good Friday agreement.
Minister reply
States that there is now time and space for discussions with EU interlocutors about the protocol issues raised by Unionist community.
Carla Lockhart
DUP
Upper Bann
Question
Asks if the Government remains committed to achieving same outcome through negotiations as would be delivered through Northern Ireland Protocol Bill.
Minister reply
Affirms that commitment.
Stella Creasy
Lab Co-op
Walthamstow
Question
Asks for a date when women in Northern Ireland will have access to safe, legal and local abortion services.
Minister reply
Cannot give a specific date but says he plans to meet service commissioners soon and write to trust finance directors.
Question
Asks if the Secretary of State accepts that there needs to be an end to ransom politics and vetoes and that reforms should allow parties who wish to govern to do so.
Minister reply
States that his legislation will create time for talks between UK/EU and Northern Ireland parties to restore devolved institutions.
Hilary Benn
Lab
Leeds South
Question
Asks if the Secretary of State can assure the House that the coming weeks will see intensive political negotiations with EU to find a landing zone for institutional reforms.
Minister reply
Confirms that talks and negotiations will continue at pace.
Gavin Robinson
DUP
Belfast East
Question
Welcomes the commitment against joint authority. Asks about the Irish Government’s role in any reforms.
Minister reply
Confirms that he knocked back joint authority and will continue to ensure that all strands of Belfast/Good Friday agreement are respected.
Claire Hanna
SDLP
Belfast South and Mid Down
Question
Asks if the Secretary of State will allow transparent exploration by parties of Assembly reforms to incentivise compromise.
Minister reply
States that he will not be stopping any debate on anything.
Alistair Carmichael
Lib Dem
Orkney and Shetland
Question
Suggests the need for reform of the Assembly if good faith is absent.
Minister reply
Emphasises that hard work is ongoing to reform the protocol.
Dave Doogan
SNP
Angus and Perthshire Glens
Question
Critiques the reduction of MLA salaries as sanction for not forming an Administration. Also critiques Brexit's impact on Northern Ireland governance.
Minister reply
Pushes back on the critique of Brexit but understands concerns about MLA pay.
Jim Shannon
DUP
Strangford
Question
I thank the Secretary of State for his statement. It is a matter for the Secretary of State if he wishes to call or not to call an election and legislate here in this House for that purpose. He brought the focus on to himself. Does he recognise that Unionism is ready to renew and strengthen our mandate, but only when the protocol is replaced with arrangements that Unionists support and are behind? It will be an election for nothing, as he and others have said, and elections are the bedrock of democracy, but, unlike others, we will readily take our case to the electorate and win again.
Minister reply
I completely understand what the hon. Gentleman states, but the election was not brought by me; it was brought by the Northern Ireland (Ministers, Elections and Petitions of Concern) Act 2022, following the cross-party agreement—I know that the Ulster Unionist party did not agree to it—from New Decade, New Approach. The timings are all set out in there. What happened was that the legal duty fell to me and it still sits on my shoulders. I have outlined what I intend to do as we move forward.
Question
The UK voted for Brexit, but not to leave the single market—just to leave the political union—and Northern Ireland did neither, so will the Government consider the UK converging with a view to eventually re-joining the single market, so that the Good Friday agreement and peace are protected, Northern Ireland governance is resumed, trade is supported and international law is respected?
Minister reply
The hon. Gentleman is wrong and he needs to move on.
Sammy Wilson
DUP
East Antrim
Question
I agree with the Secretary of State that we need to get devolved Government restored to Northern Ireland, although he must understand that the basis of restoring devolved Government is that the terms for that Government to be restored have to be adhered to, namely, that the principle of consent is adhered to and accepted, and of course, no Unionist who would have to implement the agreement in the Assembly is prepared to do so. I do not share the Secretary of State’s optimism, by the way, that it would solve all the economic problems. The £600 million hole in the budget was caused by the Assembly when it was sitting and could not agree a budget, so I would not be too optimistic about that. However, can he give me an assurance about the promise made by the Prime Minister? He said: “Under my leadership, the Northern Ireland Protocol Bill will continue to make its way through Parliament. If negotiation with the EU doesn’t deliver what we need it to, the bill will become law.” The Bill required that European Court of Justice jurisdiction in Northern Ireland be removed, that EU law would no longer apply in Northern Ireland, except for those firms that volunteered, and that the trade restrictions would be removed. Can he assure us that that is what he needs to see from the negotiations with the EU?
Minister reply
The very simple answer is to say yes, but, as we were reminded by my hon. Friend the Member for Newcastle-under-Lyme (Aaron Bell) just a moment ago, as Chief Whip, I used to enjoy my weekly conversations with the right hon. Gentleman and we talked about these points a great deal, so he knows and would understand that I will always prefer to have a negotiated outcome. I believe that that is possible, but what the Prime Minister said about the Bill remains so.
Liz Twist
Lab
Blaydon and Consett
Question
How is the Secretary of State going to address the issue of the public sector pay deals that have not been implemented in Northern Ireland? Will that be addressed as part of the legislation coming before this House?
Minister reply
As the Northern Ireland Office has only been in receipt of, essentially, the books for the Executive for a very short period, we are yet to get to the point where we can clarify numbers exactly. But the hon. Member will have seen both from the Northern Ireland Fiscal Council and the Northern Ireland Finance Minister, when in post, the size of the problem that is being inherited, we could say. The Minister of State, my hon. Friend the Member for Wycombe (Mr Baker), stated the position in Northern Ireland questions earlier and I should refer her to his quite long and detailed answer. However, as no budget was set, the Northern Ireland Health Minister, when in post, was unable to do what he wrote to me to ask me to do when he left post. I will do everything that I possibly can, but I currently am not in possession of all the facts. I do not know where the black hole extends to and how deep it is, but I will come back to the hon. Member when I have full details.
Question
I was surprised that the Secretary of State did not correct the hon. Member for Blackpool South (Scott Benton), who said that Sinn Fein MPs receive their salaries. Of course, quite rightly, they do not receive their salaries because they do not come and do their work in this House. The current impasse is affecting this House. I served on the draft Greenhouse Gas Emissions Trading Scheme (Amendment) (No. 3) Order 2022 on Monday, but it applied only to Great Britain, as Northern Ireland’s part of that important measure for the environment could not be implemented because of the lack of the working institutions in Northern Ireland. Unfortunate as it is if he is going to dock the pay of MLAs, particularly those who are willing to do their full shift, what percentage is he intending to dock from their pay?
Minister reply
I thank the hon. Gentleman for his question. I know that he was on the Order Paper earlier today and did not get to ask his question of me then. I had a fairly witty riposte, which I will use next time. However, based on the precedent that I talked about earlier—when the late James Brokenshire was Secretary of State, we went through this process and there was a review—the percentage that I would be looking at would be the same as then, which was 27.5%.
Shadow Comment
Peter Kyle
Shadow Comment
The shadow Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, Peter Kyle, acknowledged the difficulties faced by the Government but criticised the lack of progress in restoring devolution since February. He highlighted the economic impact of the impasse on public finances and called for urgent implementation of promised support measures. Kyle questioned the timing of the Prime Minister's visit to Belfast and suggested bringing all parties together at once for a unified message from the Secretary of State. The shadow also emphasised the importance of addressing issues related to the Northern Ireland protocol, which forms part of the agreement between UK and EU but is perceived as an existential threat by Unionist communities in Northern Ireland. Kyle urged the Government to provide regular updates on negotiations with the EU and questioned what new efforts would be made during the extended period compared to the previous months.
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