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British Special Forces in Afghanistan: New Allegations
14 July 2022
Lead MP
James Heappey
Debate Type
Ministerial Statement
Tags
DefenceForeign AffairsCulture, Media & Sport
Other Contributors: 12
At a Glance
James Heappey raised concerns about british special forces in afghanistan: new allegations in the House of Commons. A government minister responded. Other MPs also contributed.
How the Debate Unfolded
MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said:
Government Statement
On July 12, an episode of BBC's 'Panorama' alleged criminal activities by UK armed forces in Afghanistan. The Ministry of Defence (MOD) is currently defending two judicial reviews related to unlawful killings during operations in 2011 and 2012. While the MOD respects legal constraints and avoids discussing specific details due to ongoing litigation, it commits to investigating any new evidence provided. Despite concerns over systemic failures highlighted by the Lyons review, the MOD ensures thorough checks on investigations and supports a transparent process.
John Healey
Lab
Rawmarsh and Conisbrough
Question
What action is the Government taking in response to serious allegations of unlawful killings by UK forces? The MOD's service police lacks credibility due to systemic failures; will the Government investigate these claims thoroughly, including potential cover-ups in the chain of command?
Minister reply
The MOD fully intends to investigate any new evidence provided. While current investigations have been double-checked and further reforms are ongoing, the Secretary of State is open to considering a public inquiry if necessary.
Andrew Murrison
Con
South West Wiltshire
Question
While there may be scope for reviewing processes, it’s crucial not to make insinuations that could tarnish the reputation of parts of our armed forces. How does the Minister ensure this balance?
Minister reply
The MOD must proceed carefully with allegations made in TV programmes without evidence substantiated by police investigations. We avoid impugning individuals based on unverified claims and seek a thorough review of the evidence.
Question
'Panorama' detailed serious allegations including night raids, systematic killings, planted weapons, competitions between squadrons for kills, and cover-ups by senior officers. If known by seniors, why no action? How is the MOD investigating failures in command?
Minister reply
The MOD has not been flippant; initial investigations were thoroughly reviewed by independent experts. The Department remains committed to transparency and high standards, ensuring all allegations are properly investigated.
Bridgwater and West Somerset
Question
My hon. Friend knows, because of his service in the armed forces, how morale can be affected by any form of investigation into units, and it reduces the effectiveness of any fighting force. Although this happened some time ago, does my hon. Friend agree that we must make absolutely sure that soldiers who are serving now within the Special Air Service and the armed forces realise that any inquiry will be done quickly and efficiently, that recommendations will be carried out by the Government as soon as they can, and that the morale of the troops and the units in which they serve will be held at the highest level, to ensure that we are fighting efficient at all times?
Minister reply
Yes, Mr Speaker. We are obviously always concerned for the morale of our nation’s armed forces, and investigations such as this can have an impact on morale. At the risk of disagreeing with my constituency neighbour, I think that sometimes morale must come secondary to doing what is right. That is why the Chief of the General Staff rightly removed the 3rd Battalion Parachute Regiment from an operational deployment this summer, and why the Royal Air Force Red Arrows are flying with fewer planes this display season than they would normally do.
Kevan Jones
Lab
North Durham
Question
Having met members of our special forces in both Iraq and Afghanistan as a member of the Defence Committee and as a Minister, I have nothing but the utmost respect for them and the difficult job that we ask them to do. These allegations will be appalling to them as individuals, but I say to the Minister that this will not go away. Let me suggest what should happen. We do not want a lengthy inquiry, but I suggest putting in charge of an inquiry a former judge advocate general who understands the military context of this issue, and who could look quickly at the allegations and ensure that those that need investigating get investigated, and that we get answers. This stain on the reputation of those good servicemen who we rely on to protect us cannot be allowed.
Minister reply
This will not go away, we do not want it to go away, and the Secretary of State has told me that he does not want anything to be ruled out at the Dispatch Box today. I am certain that the House will hear from him in the near future about what he thinks is the right way to do exactly as the right hon. Gentleman suggests.
Jeremy Corbyn
Ind
Islington North
Question
The sad fact is that it seems that a large number of people died, and the allegations made against the special services are very serious indeed. Does the Minister think it appropriate that the Royal Military Police should be conducting these investigations at all? Should it not be done by an outside body? In response to the question from the hon. Member for Glasgow North West (Carol Monaghan), does the Minister think it is time for special forces to be brought under the same democratic accountability as the rest of the armed services?
Minister reply
I have every confidence in the independence of the Royal Military Police as an independent police force, free of political influence or influence from the chain of command, just as I have confidence that all other police forces are proudly operational and independent. No, I do not think that the special forces should be moved into a position of more overt democratic oversight.
John Spellar
Lab
Sparkbrook and Sparkhill
Question
We all understand the dangers, pressures and awfulness of armed conflict, and that is precisely why we have rules of engagement and the Geneva convention, in order to set boundaries. When those boundaries are breached, that has to be dealt with. May I urge the Department to listen to Lord Richards, who had some considerable experience in this, and also to learn from Australia? Will Ministers have discussions with their Australian counterparts, ministerial and military alike, to learn from their effective and successful way of dealing with a not dissimilar problem?
Minister reply
There is a lot that we discuss with our great friends in Canberra, and every day we find new things to talk about. The relationship between the ministerial teams is ever closer.
Chris Bryant
Lab
Rhondda
Question
The Minister is absolutely right that insinuendo is not the same as evidence or proof of guilt, and nobody wants to tarnish the reputation of the British armed forces without due reason, but the allegations are important and serious. Following on from what you said, Mr Speaker, will the Minister ensure that there is a proper briefing for the shadow Defence Secretary, my right hon. Friend the Member for Wentworth and Dearne (John Healey), and perhaps for the Select Committee on Defence as well, so that people can look at this matter without having to worry about sub judice concerns?
Minister reply
Mr Speaker, I can absolutely promise that there will be a briefing for the right hon. Member for Wentworth and Dearne and for you, Sir.
Honiton and Sidmouth
Question
We on the Liberal Democrat Benches also pay tribute to the courage, bravery and ingenuity of UK special forces and all of our armed forces, but of course it is incumbent on them to follow the laws of armed conflict. Does the Minister agree that members of the armed forces will be first among those wanting to see those laws applied and abided by, so that we can continue to call out the war crimes that we see happening in places such as Kremenchuk, Irpin and Bucha?
Minister reply
First, I welcome the hon. Gentleman to the House and to his place as his party’s defence spokesperson.
Rachael Maskell
Lab/Co-op
York Central
Question
So many members of our armed forces sacrificed so much in Helmand, yet our armed forces and all of us have to have confidence in our processes. What discussions have the Minister and the Secretary of State had with our international partners, including those within NATO, about the processes they adopt to ensure objectivity, accountability and independence?
Minister reply
A lot of these matters are governed by international treaties, conventions and laws that all our allies within NATO hold in common.
Jim Shannon
DUP
Strangford
Question
I also pay tribute to all of our forces and special forces for their bravery, courage, determination and perseverance. Some 1,281 allegations were made after the closure of the Iraq Historic Allegations Team, and £20 million in settlements was paid out by the Ministry of Defence. Will the Minister confirm that the importance of discharging our duty of care has been taken on board, and that the further allegations made in the programme will be taken seriously, but according to the premise that people are innocent until proven guilty, not simply accused of being guilty?
Minister reply
The allegations in the programme will be taken very seriously if new evidence is handed across to the service police that they can investigate.
Shadow Comment
John Healey
Shadow Comment
The allegations reported in 'Panorama' are extremely serious, involving suspicious deaths, planted weapons to fabricate evidence, and warnings from the top not acted upon. The MOD's response is insufficient; a thorough investigation similar to Australia’s Justice Brereton inquiry is needed with independence, justice, privacy, and military experience.
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