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Rail Cancellations and Service Levels
01 December 2022
Lead MP
Huw Merriman
Debate Type
Ministerial Statement
Tags
Transport
Other Contributors: 26
At a Glance
Huw Merriman raised concerns about rail cancellations and service levels in the House of Commons. A government minister responded. Other MPs also contributed.
How the Debate Unfolded
MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said:
Government Statement
The minister expressed disappointment with the current performance of rail services, particularly in the north. He highlighted issues affecting TransPennine Express and Avanti West Coast, citing factors such as higher sickness levels among train crew, withdrawal of rest day working, strikes, and a shortage of fully trained drivers. The minister emphasised that TPE had ceased voluntary overtime due to expired agreements, while Avanti struggled with delays in training drivers during the pandemic. He acknowledged ongoing efforts by operators to address these issues but stressed the need for further improvements and accountability from both operators and unions.
Louise Haigh
Lab
Sheffield Heeley
Question
The MP questioned the Government's inaction regarding failing rail operators, citing ongoing disruptions and economic impacts. She demanded binding remedial plans or penalties from operators and asked if the Secretary of State was preventing rest day working agreements.
Minister reply
The minister acknowledged the need for change but noted that reforms require union agreement to modernise working practices. He emphasised the importance of rostering on a seven-day basis and urged Haigh to work with them to influence unions.
Edward Leigh
Con
Gainsborough
Question
The MP inquired about the less affected London North Eastern Railway services and advocated for a through train service from London via Market Rasen to Cleethorpes to alleviate pressure on TransPennine Express.
Minister reply
The minister agreed with the proposal, noting the potential impact of such a service. He offered to meet Leigh and his colleague to discuss this further.
Gavin Newlands
SNP
Paisley and Renfrewshire North
Question
Over the past two days, TransPennine Express has managed to run a total of 42% of its timetabled cross-border services from Glasgow Central. That is from a timetable that was already slashed, as TPE struggled to provide even a basic service to passengers. Add to that the Avanti shambles and cross-border services are a disaster. It simply is not good enough, and there are real implications for the cross-border economy.
Minister reply
This shiny rail Minister will always happily meet the hon. Member. I have always enjoyed working closely with him in our previous roles, so I am happy to discuss matters with him.
Sara Britcliffe
Con
Beverley
Question
As someone who travels on the Avanti West Coast service on a weekly basis, I know that delays and cancellations are the norm. Customers are being charged unreasonable prices for a very poor service. Can my hon. Friend confirm that he is meeting Avanti regularly to discuss its performance, as well as giving it six months to roll out a recovery plan and deliver long overdue reliability for passengers?
Minister reply
I am sorry for the experiences that my hon. Friend and her constituents have experienced. With regard to Avanti, from December it plans to operate 264 daily train services on weekdays, which is a step up from the 180 daily services at present.
Jeff Smith
Lab
Manchester Withington
Question
Yesterday, the West Midlands Mayor was late for that meeting with the Secretary of State to discuss the problems on trains because her train was cancelled. My constituents in south Manchester do not want to hear that the Government are disappointed with the problems; they want to hear that some action is being taken.
Minister reply
Again, I pass on my disappointment with the experience that the hon. Gentleman has outlined.
John Penrose
Con
Totnes
Question
I completely support the Rail Minister in his comments that something has to change and that we cannot go on as we are. Can he confirm that the pattern of performance and service levels is dramatically better for providers offering open access—in other words, competitive services—compared with some of the more traditional post-franchising ones such as Avanti? It is vital for passengers to have choice on the same track between different providers.
Minister reply
I thank my hon. Friend, a former Minister, who has great expertise in and policy knowledge of this matter.
Holly Lynch
Lab
Batley and Spen
Question
The Minister has just said that it is not a seven-day-a-week service, but actually it is not an any-day-of-the-week service currently. We have already heard from my hon. Friend the Member for Sheffield, Heeley (Louise Haigh) at the Dispatch Box that almost 40 services have been cancelled on TransPennine Express in just the last 24 hours in the middle of the working week.
Minister reply
I thank the hon. Member, and she is absolutely right.
Anna Firth
Lab
Great Grimsby
Question
Does the Minister agree with me that service levels across the country are just as important? There have been 10 negative stories in the last month about the c2c line, including signal failures, overrunning engineering works and rush-hour queues to buy tickets.
Minister reply
I had perhaps better not promise that the Secretary of State will sit down with my hon. Friend because that may be above my pay grade.
Ian Mearns
Lab
Blyth Valley
Question
First and foremost, the train operators need to recruit and train more staff more quickly, and that would help to alleviate some of the strains we are working under. However, even when trains are working to timetable, travel times between cities and towns in the north of England are unacceptably slow—for instance, one hour and 20 minutes from Newcastle to Middlesbrough.
Minister reply
We are about to enter the next five-year control period where we will look at renewal.
Bridgwater and West Somerset
Question
The service level at Taunton station is inadequate due to parking issues, accessibility problems, and poor staff-to-passenger ratios. The quality of stations impacts the overall railway experience negatively.
Minister reply
Acknowledged the concerns about the station experience and agreed to look into it further. Mentioned the availability of a station modernisation fund and the Access for All programme.
Chi Onwurah
Lab
Newcastle upon Tyne Central
Question
Urgently met with the Minister to mitigate disruption caused by restoring the Tyne bridge, given the current poor state of rail services in the north and a lack of investment.
Minister reply
Agreed to meet the MP to discuss mitigating measures for the restoration work. Acknowledged the need for infrastructure renewal and improvement.
Jo Gideon
Con
Woking
Question
Complained about inefficient services, late trains, poor ticketing systems, and shoddy customer service from Avanti rail services.
Minister reply
Acknowledged the issues raised by the MP. Stated that they would hold Avanti accountable through regular meetings with Office of Rail and Road (ORR).
Clive Betts
Lab
Sheffield South East
Question
Asked about discrepancy in reported versus actual train cancellations by TransPennine Express, questioning if penalty calculations reflect passenger experiences.
Minister reply
Agreed to write back with details on how the cancellation figures are calculated and updated figures.
Lichfield
Question
Asked about Avanti's plan for driver recruitment and timetable changes, given previous issues with London Northwestern services.
Minister reply
Avanti aims to recruit 100 new drivers and introduce a revised timetable by December 11th. However, this is contingent on resolving industrial action.
Andrew Gwynne
Ind
Gorton
Question
Pressed the Minister for urgent remedial plans to restore services following years of known issues.
Minister reply
Acknowledged the need for long-term reforms, including a seven-day railway system and ending reliance on rest-day working agreements.
Chris Clarkson
Lab
Dudley North
Question
Asked about future steps if no significant improvements are seen from Avanti within six months.
Minister reply
Emphasised that contract compliance and service delivery will be closely monitored, with potential action based on performance at the beginning of the year.
Navendu Mishra
Lab
Stockport
Question
Linked TransPennine Express issues to management failures by its parent company FirstGroup.
Minister reply
Acknowledged the specific issues with FirstGroup and expressed a commitment to collaborative efforts for improvement.
Simon Fell
Lab
Ulverston and West Cumberland
Question
My constituents are fortunate to rely on both Northern and Avanti—it feels like they have won a ghastly lottery. Yesterday, I got an email from Steve, a constituent based in Ulverston, who travels from Kirkby to Whitehaven to work in Sellafield. He says that the trains are late and cancelled, that there are horrendous bus replacements and that, on return, there are direct trains that miss out the smaller stops. It is an unviable service. The service on Avanti is abysmal, but those who rely on smaller operators are also seeing a really bad service. With that in mind, will my hon. Friend confirm that he will do everything in his power to restore trains to a level of service that our constituents all deserve and expect?
Minister reply
My hon. Friend is right. Of course, Northern is in the control of the operator of last resort, which is what would occur in the event that we took away a contract from one of the private train operators. Perhaps his point on Northern demonstrates that we can talk of stripping contracts away, but ultimately how the entire system operates needs to change; just changing the contracts does not change the passenger experience for the better.
Bury South
Question
Another month, another urgent question to discuss how companies such as Avanti are taking not only our constituents, but all of us, for mugs. As I have mentioned to the Minister before, we keep on getting claims of progress and improvement, but we continue to reward failure. Just last week, the last direct train from Manchester to Euston was at 2.15 pm. The Beveridge report was released 80 years ago, and one of the five giant evils it identified was idleness; we are certainly seeing that with Avanti, and I would argue we saw it from the Government prior to this mess as well. When will the Department stop idling and sort out this mess?
Minister reply
The Department is certainly not idling: our officials work incredibly hard, and we hold train operators to account to ensure they do everything they can.
Natalie Elphicke
Con
Dover
Question
I put on record the usually good service that we receive from Southeastern workers. However, rail use is still not where it needs to be, and there is no doubt that days—indeed, now months —of strike action are affecting rail use and confidence in the railways. Can my hon. Friend confirm that he and his ministerial colleagues are doing everything they can to urge the unions to get around the table, end these strikes, and stop damaging confidence in all our railways?
Minister reply
I thank my hon. Friend. I know she is a passionate advocate for transport in Dover as a whole; I am a fellow Southeastern user, so I experience some of what she has talked to.
Jim Shannon
DUP
Strangford
Question
I thank the Minister for his very concrete and helpful answers, as we would expect of him. As we approach the festive season, thousands of people—some of them my constituents—will be travelling from all over the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, visiting their loved ones and friends this Christmas. The announcement of further rail strikes has stoked fear of disruption for so many, and has introduced uncertainty in their travel arrangements. What immediate steps are being taken to find a solution and ensure the smooth running of public transport as we come into the busiest weeks of the year, so that my constituents will know that they can travel and get where they are going on time?
Minister reply
What the hon. Gentleman has described is a huge concern. Last December, there was uncertainty about the ability to travel; we thought we had moved beyond that.
Mark Jenkinson
Con
Penrith and The Border
Question
The number of daily services from Carlisle and Penrith to Euston that my constituents use is significantly reduced from previous levels, and the services that are running are timetabled at a much longer length than they used to be. Despite that, the percentage of services that are running on time hardly hits double figures. It is not the fault of my fare-paying constituents that Avanti has chosen short-term cost savings over driver training. Why are we delaying the inevitable, and when will we strip Avanti of the contract?
Minister reply
Again, I am sorry for the experiences that my hon. Friend and his constituents have had to endure.
Greg Smith
Con
Mid Buckinghamshire
Question
My hon. Friend is right to point out the myriad issues that the railways face. Chiltern Railways serves a great many of my constituents, and delays, the use of shorter trains than expected and cancellations have crept in, when we never really saw that with Chiltern before. The difference seems to be Network Rail’s ability to allow flexibility in the timetabling for Chiltern to run additional services or move its rolling stock around. What can we do, with Network Rail, to get greater flexibility to allow Chiltern to serve its consumers much better?
Minister reply
I know my hon. Friend’s line well, because he represents my mum and my family.
Chris Loder
Con
Crawley
Question
I warmly welcome my hon. Friend’s work to facilitate the negotiations and encourage unions and rail providers to get to a deal that solves these issues. A month ago, however, the TUC paid fully for members of the shadow Cabinet to go to Madrid to get hints and tips from the Spanish unions on how to use hard-working union members to fulfil Labour’s objectives to fully disrupt the railway. [Interruption.] Will my hon. Friend join me in calling on Labour to get off the picket line and condemn the official and unofficial strike action that we are seeing?
Minister reply
My hon. Friend is another esteemed member of the Transport Committee and I thank him for what he does.
Elliot Colburn
Con
Eddisbury
Question
This is not just about Avanti and Northern Rail. Commuters coming from Carshalton, Wallington, Hackbridge and Carshalton Beeches stations are also struggling because of morning commuter changes made by Govia Thameslink Railway. Will the Minister agree to another meeting with me and colleagues representing constituencies served by Southern and Thameslink to ensure that that issue can be tackled?
Minister reply
I am very happy to meet my hon. Friend.
Shadow Comment
Louise Haigh
Shadow Comment
The shadow criticised the Government's response, noting severe disruptions in northern rail services. She argued that such a crisis would have elicited stronger action elsewhere, highlighting TransPennine Express’s failure to improve despite previous promises. Haigh demanded binding remedial plans from operators or penalties and contract withdrawal as well as clawing back taxpayers' money given as dividends to shareholders.
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