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Independent Adviser on Ministers’ Interests Resignation
16 June 2022
Lead MP
Michael Ellis
Debate Type
Ministerial Statement
Tags
Community SecurityStandards & Ethics
Other Contributors: 24
At a Glance
Michael Ellis raised concerns about independent adviser on ministers’ interests resignation in the House of Commons. A government minister responded. Other MPs also contributed.
How the Debate Unfolded
MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said:
Government Statement
The Minister thanked Lord Geidt for his work and acknowledged the significant changes made to strengthen the role of Independent Adviser on Ministers’ Interests. These include new investigative powers, proportionate sanctions for breaches of the 'Ministerial Code', and increased transparency in consultations with the Committee on Standards in Public Life. The Government expressed disappointment over Lord Geidt's resignation but emphasised that the new arrangements are workable and bring more transparency.
Fleur Anderson
Lab
Putney
Question
Asked about Lord Geidt's resignation, the lack of transparency regarding his investigations, and requested a prompt replacement and reform of the Independent Adviser role based on Committee recommendations.
Minister reply
The Minister stated that he cannot comment on specific ongoing investigations but assured that the full correspondence will clarify matters. He emphasised the importance of avoiding political pressure on independent advisers.
Question
Asked for reassurance regarding the speed of filling the vacant position, given the previous five-month gap.
Minister reply
The Minister assured that efforts will be made to fill the role as quickly as possible, ensuring that any new appointee is not under political pressure.
Brendan O'Hara
SNP
Argyll, Bute and South Lochaber
Question
Asked for clarity on Lord Geidt's resignation letter and the timeframe for full publication.
Minister reply
The Minister confirmed that all correspondence will be published shortly but did not specify an immediate timeline. He defended Lord Geidt’s credentials as impeccable.
Question
Asked if time should be spent delivering on promises made in 2019 rather than discussing the resignation.
Minister reply
The Minister agreed with his hon. Friend, emphasising the importance of focusing on delivering promised commitments.
Helen Hayes
Lab
Dulwich and West Norwood
Question
This is the second of the Prime Minister’s hand-picked ethics advisers to resign, alongside his anti-corruption champion. I have met children from two primary schools in my constituency this week. Children as young as seven can see what is plain as day—that this Government are rotten from the top. Does the Minister have any concerns about the impact that this shocking mess is having on trust and confidence in Government and in our democracy?
Minister reply
I respectfully disagree with the hon. Lady.
Question
Sorry, Mr Speaker. I got carried away. Her Majesty’s loyal Opposition know that if things are as bad as they say they are, the way to get rid of the Prime Minister and this Government is to have a vote of no confidence in the Government. The loyal Opposition have not been willing to do that. I think my constituents will draw their own conclusions about that.
Minister reply
May I gently say to the Opposition parties that if they wish for a change of Prime Minister, they should do something different from attacking personalities? They should attack policies, but of course if they were to attack policies, they would find that they would lose.
Wendy Chamberlain
Lib Dem
North East Fife
Question
Government is accountable to Parliament. The independent adviser on Ministers’ interests is a crucial role that is appointed by the Prime Minister. Does the Minister accept that the only way to begin the process of restoring trust in standards of public life—standards undermined by the Prime Minister—is to give Parliament a role in the appointment of the new adviser? At minimum, we should be looking at a scrutiny session by the Public Administration and Constitutional Affairs Committee and a confirmatory vote in this House.
Minister reply
Any Prime Minister of any political party appoints their own advisers. That is historically what has taken place, and that is no doubt what will take place in the future.
Andrew Murrison
Con
South West Wiltshire
Question
Lord Geidt is a public servant of superb, unequalled reputation and the utmost integrity, and his departure is greatly to be regretted. Does my right hon. and learned Friend agree with me more generally that those placed in a position of judgment over others must not have a previously stated position on the matter in question?
Minister reply
My right hon. Friend makes a very good point, and it of course is an age-old principle of natural justice that no person should be a judge in their own cause. Where an individual has given a view on the guilt or innocence of any person, they ought not then to sit in judgment on that person. I know the point that he is referring to, and I have no doubt that the right hon. and learned Member for Camberwell and Peckham (Ms Harman) will consider that.
Question
I always feel sorry for the Minister when he has to come and defend the indefensible, but what we have heard this morning is a real disservice to the House, in that we have not seen these letters. They should have been available, but can I also say this to him? It is not only disgusting and disgraceful, but it is shambolic. This is the Government. We are talking about the responsibility of the Prime Minister, but the responsibility is not his alone: it is for the honour and integrity of every Member of Parliament on the Government Benches that they should do something about this shocking scandal that undermines our parliamentary democracy.
Minister reply
It is the job of all Members of Parliament of all political parties to maintain the honour and integrity of this House, and that is what the Prime Minister continues to do. The fact is that Prime Ministers of all political parties have had Ministers who have been in breach of the ministerial code. Last week I cited some on the Labour side.
Question
I am incredibly grateful to the Minister for confirming to the House that the letter of resignation does exist, because the Deputy Prime Minister, who is also, I understand, a leading lawyer, said on the “Today” programme this morning that he did not know whether the letter exists, and then he went on to say that he had not read it. We are extremely grateful to the Minister for confirming that. Why is the letter not available to us now? He knew he was responding to this urgent question. We could have then discussed its contents. We have heard about Lady Bracknell; what we have before us this morning is Uriah Heep.
Minister reply
I think we can do without the literary references, but what I will say is that the letter does exist. I can confirm that, and it will be released very soon. By the way, it has only been about two working hours since this matter was dealt with, so the Government are acting very expeditiously.
Christchurch
Question
May I ask my right hon. and learned Friend a practical question? We understand that the Prime Minister asked his special adviser Lord Geidt to give him advice on a particular issue. That advice has not yet been given and the person who was asked for that advice has now resigned without even giving any notice or extending his terms so that he could answer that question. Who will answer the burning question that was put to Lord Geidt by the Prime Minister a few days ago?
Minister reply
I am afraid that we will have to wait and see.
May I take this opportunity to refer to an earlier question? I think I may have mischaracterised what the hon. Member for Argyll and Bute (Brendan O'Hara) said. If I did, I would like to apologise if that was not his intention.
Diana R. Johnson
Lab
Kingston upon Hull North and Cottingham
Question
What is it about the current Prime Minister that causes him to have such rotten luck in retaining ethics and anti-corruption advisers?
Minister reply
It is kind of the right hon. Lady to ask that question. I think the Prime Minister has a lot of good luck in winning elections. He won elections in London, he won a general election in this country, and he will win more.
Question
When questioned at the Public Administration and Constitutional Affairs Committee on Tuesday, the now former ethics adviser described himself as
“an asset of the Prime Minister…rather than a free-orbiting adviser”.
Does the Minister not agree that it is time for the ethics adviser’s appointment to be truly independent of the Prime Minister and of politics, and for them to be appointed by the civil service board?
Minister reply
I think all our independent advisers since 2006 have been independent of politics. They have been people of the highest integrity and probity, as is Lord Geidt. It is a position that is increasingly put under considerable pressure, but we must have regard for that and ensure that the standards are maintained.
Question
The integrity and ability of Lord Geidt is not in question. The question that we are all asking is, what on earth was it that encouraged him to tender his resignation? What scandal should we expect to come down the tracks?
Minister reply
The hon. Gentleman may well be disappointed; he will find that looking for scandal under every stone is disappointing.
Richard Fuller
Con
North Bedfordshire
Question
May I make a point to the Minister and to the House? To do effective work, an ethics adviser is required to be above day-to-day political feuds and not the focus of them. In the last few weeks and months, however, the position of the ethics adviser to the Prime Minister has been at the centre of political feuds on both sides of the House—not confined to the Opposition or to the Conservatives. What actions will the Minister take to ensure that the new appointee is protected from being the target of political attacks from whichever side?
Minister reply
My hon. Friend makes a good point, which I alluded to before. We must be careful to ensure that future independent arrangements are made so that individuals or entities are not put under political pressure to either do something or be accused of being some sort of patsy. The right thing to do is what is important.
Justin Madders
Lab
Ellesmere Port and Bromborough
Question
I cannot believe that the Minister has come here without the letter being published. Is the Downing Street photocopier broken or is it more game playing? I suspect the latter. I want to ask him about the commercially sensitive matter that Lord Geidt was asked to investigate, which I noticed he did not deny when responding to the shadow Minister, my hon. Friend the Member for Putney (Fleur Anderson). He did not answer her question as to whether it relates to a direct or indirect financial interest for the Prime Minister or any of his friends, families or business associates. He could answer that question now. He does not need to give any details that would be commercially sensitive; he could just confirm who it relates to. If he does not answer that, it does not look like carelessness; it looks like a cover-up.
Minister reply
The letter will be published and given to the Library of the House in due course—very soon.
Question
Today, the Minister for defending the indefensible has been sent out to account for the resignation of Lord Geidt, who was no longer willing to do the same. My constituents see Westminster Ministers breaking the rules with no consequences, no sanctions and no ethics. Is it any wonder that they now have no faith in this broken Westminster system?
Minister reply
I disagree with the hon. Lady.
Chi Onwurah
Lab
Newcastle upon Tyne Central and West
Question
After many years working in both the public and private sectors in many countries around the world, I cannot think of a single instance where the behaviour of someone in a leadership position obliged a person responsible for giving ethical or standards advice to resign twice in succession and yet the person in the leadership position remained in place. Does the Minister agree that my constituents will conclude that the Prime Minister finds it hard to maintain a working relationship with ethical advice, and how many resignations of ethical advisers will it take before the Prime Minister does resign?
Minister reply
I venture to suggest that the hon. Lady’s constituents will find it surprising that in the past six months Labour has focused constantly on personalities and not on policies. The reason has to be that when it comes to policy, Labour loses.
Jeff Smith
Lab
Manchester Withington
Question
I am sure that the Minister will agree that principles and standards in public life must be upheld. Can he confirm from the Dispatch Box that the Government have no plans whatsoever to abolish the role of the independent adviser on ministerial interests?
Minister reply
I can only reiterate what I have said before.
Deidre Brock
SNP
Edinburgh North and Leith
Question
Discusses the resignations of Allegra Stratton, Lord Wolfson, and Lord Geidt from the Prime Minister’s office. Asks when someone actually responsible for the decline in government standards will be held accountable—specifically calling out the Prime Minister.
Minister reply
Responds by questioning the moral integrity of SNP members and suggesting that googling 'SNP' would reveal numerous incidents indicating their own lack of ethical conduct.
Mike Amesbury
Lab
Wythenshawe and Sale East
Question
Questions what is unethical about a Prime Minister who breaks laws and rules, asking when the PM will resign.
Minister reply
Suggests that if Labour Members wish for a change in leadership, they should win a general election instead of expecting it to happen otherwise.
Carol Monaghan
SNP
Glasgow North West
Question
Asks whether appointing a new ethics adviser is pointless given the lack of ethical standards demonstrated by the Prime Minister.
Minister reply
Asserts that the PM maintains high standards in public life and challenges the SNP MP to provide evidence for her claim regarding the PM’s lack of ethics.
Jim Shannon
DUP
Strangford
Question
Inquires about the timing of Lord Geidt's resignation letters being published, the reasons for his resignation, and when a successor will be appointed. Also asks how the House can be assured that the successor will have a permanent position.
Minister reply
Indicates that more clarity may arise from the publication of Lord Geidt’s resignation letters shortly. States that future arrangements are under careful consideration.
Shadow Comment
Fleur Anderson
Shadow Comment
The shadow minister criticised the Prime Minister for driving out two ethics advisers within two years, arguing it undermines democratic principles. She questioned if ongoing investigations will be completed, especially regarding allegations of Islamophobia and commercially sensitive matters. She demanded a prompt replacement and reform of the role based on recommendations from the Committee on Standards in Public Life.
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