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His Majesty’s Prison and Probation Service
04 July 2023
Lead MP
Bob Neill
Debate Type
General Debate
Tags
Justice & CourtsEmploymentForeign Affairs
Other Contributors: 12
At a Glance
Bob Neill raised concerns about his majesty’s prison and probation service in the House of Commons. A government minister responded. Other MPs also contributed.
How the Debate Unfolded
MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said:
Lead Contributor
Opened the debate
Neill emphasises the pressing issues facing the Prison and Probation Service, including prison capacity, overcrowding, outdated facilities, workforce shortages, and high reoffending rates. He notes that despite funding increases, there has been underinvestment in prisons for decades, leading to a current situation where prison staff feel unsafe and inadequately trained. Neill highlights the need for increased investment in both physical infrastructure and staffing levels to ensure effective rehabilitation of offenders.
Bob Neill
Con
Bristol North West
Neill discusses pressing issues such as prison capacity, quality of facilities, workforce shortages, education deficits among prisoners, probation service challenges, and youth custody safety. He highlights the need for better management of sentencing policies and investment in alternatives to imprisonment. Emphasises that overcrowding hinders rehabilitation efforts and raises concerns about staff morale and retention.
Conor McGinn
Lab
St Helens North
McGinn agrees with Neill's points, stressing the importance of prevention and rehabilitation over incarceration. He argues that keeping people out of prison is less costly than maintaining them in prison and reducing reoffending rates.
Andrew Slaughter
Lab
Hammersmith and Chiswick
Slaughter supports Neill's critique, pointing out the irony of undermaintained prisons needing £1 billion for repairs while billions are spent on new prison constructions. He highlights that this neglect is particularly apparent in remand and local prisons.
Andrew Slaughter
Lab
Hammersmith and Chiswick
Slaughter highlighted severe conditions at Wormwood Scrubs prison, including overcrowding with single cells housing two people, oppressive regimes limiting time out of cell, and insufficient staff. He questioned the Ministry's oversight on statistics and budget cuts affecting staffing levels and activities within prisons. Slaughter also discussed the backlog in coroner’s courts for self-inflicted deaths and proposed a national oversight mechanism to track recommendations from prevention of future deaths reports. He concluded by stressing the importance of improving education services and conditions in older prisons.
McGinn intervened to pay tribute to prison chaplains, specifically mentioning Father Gerry McFlynn’s dedication at Wormwood Scrubs for 50 years.
Caroline Nokes
Con
Romsey and Southampton North
Caroline Nokes highlighted the impact of prison sentences on families, focusing particularly on the lack of data collection regarding children affected by parental imprisonment. She mentioned a two-year research project led by her constituent Professor Jane Payler which emphasises that the Ministry of Justice (MOJ) does not have a coherent, strategic approach to collecting this data. Nokes cited estimates indicating that around 120,000 or 130,000 children may now be impacted by parental imprisonment, with some research suggesting it could extend up to 300,000. She pointed out significant issues related to emotional and mental wellbeing of these children, their educational outcomes, and the stigma they face. Nokes requested that the MOJ find a mechanism to record and share this data with relevant services like local authorities and charities, such as Families First in Worcestershire. Additionally, she raised concerns about domestic homicide sentencing, advocating for mandatory 25-year sentences for overkill cases.
Hayes and Harlington
McDonnell reported concerns raised by prison officers regarding the impact of austerity measures on their work environment. He stated that these measures have led to a 30% cut in overall expenditure, resulting in a loss of professional experience and an increase in violence within prisons. He also highlighted the rise in PTSD among prison officers due to lack of mental health support.
Ellie Reeves
Lab
Lewisham West and East Dulwich
The prison and probation services are broken due to Tory neglect, with judges being told to jail fewer people because prisons are full. No prisons are rated as good for rehabilitation, leading to one murder every week committed by criminals on probation. The Ministry of Justice has faced severe budget cuts, resulting in £1 million wasted annually on maintaining closed prisons and £98 million wasted on avoidable mistakes on a new tagging programme. Overcrowded and dilapidated prison estates are plagued with staff shortages, causing violence against staff to increase by 165% since 2010. Training opportunities and classrooms remain unused due to lack of staffing. Prison officer recruitment costs £13,000 but one-quarter leave within a year, leading to inefficiencies in procurement systems and high costs for approved suppliers compared to local vendors. In 2021, the Government committed over £500 million to work and skills reform, yet only 8% of those available found employment post-release. Overcrowded prisons hinder rehabilitation efforts and increase reoffending rates costing taxpayers £18 billion annually.
Damian Hinds
Con
East Hampshire
The Minister emphasised the Government's commitment to protecting public safety, maintaining a criminal justice system with confidence, and fulfilling manifesto commitments such as recruiting 20,000 additional police officers. He highlighted the Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act 2022 which introduced tougher penalties for serious crimes and measures like electronically monitored curfews. The Minister also mentioned reducing youth custodial population from roughly 3,000 in 2008-09 to around 600 as of April this year and a £100 million security investment programme to reduce crime inside prisons. He discussed investing in health and justice coordinators, community payback programmes, abstinence-focused drug recovery wings, education and employment opportunities for prisoners, and transitional accommodation services to support released offenders.
Bob Neill
Con
Bromley and Chislehurst
Asked the Minister about updates on stalled planning processes for three additional prisons and requested a written update on these projects, including information on any appeals or hearings scheduled.
Andrew Slaughter
Lab
Hammersmith
Inquired further regarding details on stalled prison planning processes and sought clarity on the status of appeals or hearings for these projects.
Expresses gratitude to all participants for their contributions. Highlights the importance of prison conditions and staff concerns raised by other Members. Acknowledges critical issues such as family matters highlighted by Caroline Nokes. Calls for a more consensual approach to prison policy, noting that it requires long-term commitment spanning multiple Parliaments.
Government Response
The Minister provided an update on several aspects including the recruitment of health and justice coordinators, investments in community payback programmes, abstinence-focused drug recovery wings, and measures to support released offenders through transitional accommodation services. He also addressed capacity issues with Operation Safeguard and discussed plans for new prisons such as HMP Five Wells and Fosse Way. The Minister expressed willingness to correspond further on stalled prison projects.
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