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Backbench Business
22 June 2023
Lead MP
Diana R. Johnson
Debate Type
General Debate
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NHSEmploymentNorthern Ireland
Other Contributors: 33
At a Glance
Diana R. Johnson raised concerns about backbench business in the House of Commons. A government minister responded. Other MPs also contributed.
How the Debate Unfolded
MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said:
Lead Contributor
Opened the debate
The debate focuses on the Infected Blood Inquiry, highlighting the scandal where thousands were infected with HIV or hepatitis C due to contaminated blood products from the NHS in the 1970s and 1980s. Diana R. Johnson presents cases of Glen Wilkinson, Nick Sainsbury, and Michele Claire to emphasise the human impact and advocate for immediate action towards full compensation. She criticises the Government's delay in addressing the issue despite previous commitments.
Diana R. Johnson
Lab
Kingston upon Hull North and Cottingham
Emphasises the need for justice and immediate action towards full compensation, citing specific cases of Glen Wilkinson, Nick Sainsbury, and Michele Claire to highlight the personal impact of the scandal.
Catherine West
Lab
Hornsey and Friern Barnet
Pays tribute to Della Ryness and her husband Dan for their long fight on behalf of their son who died from contaminated blood, supporting Johnson's call for immediate action.
Acknowledges the progress made but emphasises the need to go further now to ensure a proper compensation scheme is established without delay.
Dwyfor Meirionnydd
Highlights the importance of no further delays in implementing the recommendations and stresses that financial responsibility for the compensation scheme remains with Westminster despite the scandal occurring before health devolution.
Mary Glindon
Lab
Newcastle upon Tyne East and Wallsend
Expresses frustration over the long wait for justice for her constituent, a young teenager infected nearly 40 years ago who is now living with HIV.
Supports swift action and criticises past Government behaviour, emphasising that re-victimization of affected individuals due to delays must be avoided.
Peter Bottomley
Con
Worthing West
Commends the work of Richard Titmuss and discusses the importance of addressing the issue of contaminated blood. He requests that the Minister provide updates on compensation schemes before summer ends, emphasising the need to gather names of those affected now rather than waiting for autumn. Highlights the personal impact of contaminated blood on families and survivors.
Hannah Bardell
SNP
Livingston
Intervenes to agree with Mr Bottomley's comments, highlighting similar experiences shared by her constituent Vera Gaskin regarding insurance issues and being repeatedly asked if she is an alcoholic. Pays tribute to people watching from the Public Gallery.
Central Ayrshire
Ms Whitford paid tribute to activists and the inquiry team for their efforts in uncovering the truth about the contaminated blood scandal. She highlighted the Government's failure to provide adequate compensation, noting that over 560 victims have died since 2017. She urged the Minister to accept Sir Brian Langstaff’s recommendations and to ensure that bereaved families can receive interim payments quickly.
Kevin Foster
Con
Torbay and South Devon
Congratulates the Members for securing the debate. Describes the tragic history of people with haemophilia and other bleeding disorders being infected with HIV and hepatitis viruses through contaminated clotting factors, leading to over 3,000 deaths and only around 250 still alive due to advancements in treatment that were unavailable at the time. Mentions additional victims who contracted hepatitis C from blood transfusions during the same period, estimating about 10% of them are still seeking justice as of 2019. Highlights the long-standing fight for justice and the establishment of the infected blood inquiry in 2017. Emphasises that more than 500 people affected by the scandal have died since the inquiry began and calls for urgent implementation of a compensation scheme based on the report published on 5 April, which recommends setting up such a scheme to begin work this year.
Mark Francois
Con
Rayleigh and Wickford
Intervenes on behalf of several constituents, particularly Mr Adam Fleming, urging the Minister through his hon. Friend to accelerate the payment of compensation as it has gone on for so many years.
Recalls a friend, Steve Dymond, who died in 2018 after being infected by blood products and having hepatitis C. Stresses that his wife, Su, has been helping him through a difficult time for decades and it is now time for her to receive compensation.
Clive Efford
Lab
Eltham and Chislehurst
I pay tribute to the hon. Member for Worthing West and my right hon. Friend for securing the debate and their work on this issue, particularly for those campaigning for justice. I warn the Minister about the final report in autumn which will be very damning if the Government has not responded to the interim report. I draw attention to Sir Brian Langstaff's recommendations and implore the Government to listen to victims' voices. My constituents Lee Moorey and Mary Grindley have been campaigning for many years, and their stories are harrowing. They suffered prejudice, harassment, loss of insurance and careers due to contaminated blood products. Their psychological impacts are significant and they request the Government provide psychological support as it is provided in other parts of the UK. The compensation scheme should be established promptly with transparency. I urge the Minister to heed Sir Brian Langstaff's recommendations.
I congratulate the right hon. Member for Kingston upon Hull North and my hon. Friend for securing this important debate on a compensation scheme for contaminated blood victims. The interim report by Sir Brian Langstaff clearly recommends establishing such a scheme as soon as possible, which is correct and should be implemented without further delay. Haemophilia Wales supports over 500 infected individuals in Wales and believes that the scheme should be UK-wide to avoid potential inequities and political point scoring. This stance aligns with Sir Brian's recommendation for administration from one place within the UK rather than being localised, which is more likely to give rise to disparities of approach. In Wales, many patients received care at hospitals in England before devolution, making a central scheme preferable. Patients may be infected in one part of the UK but live elsewhere, complicating a devolved structure for the scheme. I urge the Government to proceed with establishing and implementing a UK-wide compensation scheme as quickly as possible.
Pontypridd
It is a privilege to be called to speak in this very important debate. I agree with the right hon. Member for Clwyd West's points on devolution, settlement and central system from UK Government. The infected blood scandal has been fought by campaigners despite their trauma and we are here due to their courage and commitment. This is a shameful stain on our nation’s history. The government ignored risks of obtaining blood from high-risk donors such as prisoners and drug addicts in the US. They did not inform people until years later, and records were destroyed. Over 5,000 patients have been infected with more than 2,500 deaths so far. I met some victims who bravely shared their stories of trauma. Leigh Sugar was one such victim who received contaminated factor VIII treatment post-riding accident in 1980. He later died at 44 due to the lack of information on his illness and missed opportunities like liver transplant, leaving a torn family behind. The stigma still exists with victims' neighbours reporting them for their condition. Sir Brian Langstaff says 'time without redress is harmful.' I urge the Government to urgently publish their timetable for compensation framework before autumn's inquiry report.
It is a pleasure to speak in this important debate, echoing tributes to victims and families battling ill-health, grief and trauma while campaigning for justice. The Government has acknowledged the moral case for compensation but interim payments are only up to £1,000. I met Mr David Corroyer who contracted hepatitis C through donating blood before AIDS was known in the late 70s, suffering intense illness post-blood donation. His life changed drastically after contracting the infection. He believes he is owed compensation as it happened due to no fault of his own but hasn't received any financial assistance yet. Will the Minister meet me and my constituent David? Can he assure that the inquiry considers people like David's circumstances and expands the compensation scheme?
Liz Twist
Lab
Blaydon and Consett
The families affected by the scandal have endured unimaginable suffering, failed at every turn—initially when their loved ones were infected with HIV and hepatitis C due to contaminated blood products, then through years of Government denial and neglect, and now because of delays in getting justice. Diane, a constituent whose brother Graham died from these infections at 26, shared her story and emphasised the emotional toll on families and carers. She highlighted that Graham’s sister has felt betrayed by healthcare professionals who should have known them better. While some accept compensation is needed, the current delays in setting up a proper scheme are unacceptable, especially considering over 500 victims have died since the inquiry began. Sir Brian Langstaff recommends starting compensation now; failing to act could mean more victims and families never see justice.
Robbie Moore
Con
Keighley and Ilkley
Mr Moore acknowledged the immense impact of the contaminated blood scandal on over 5,000 people with haemophilia infected with HIV or hepatitis C from contaminated clotting factors. Additionally, nearly 27,000 individuals were infected with hepatitis C via blood transfusions. He emphasised that around 3,000 victims have died and only a few hundred are still alive today. Mr Moore welcomed the inquiry’s first and second interim reports and urged the Government to accept all recommendations, including enabling individual claims, estate claims for deceased victims, and awards for injury, social impact, autonomy, care, and financial loss. He criticised the lack of clarity from the Government on implementing these measures promptly.
Stephen Kinnock
Lab
Aberafan Maesteg
Acknowledges a constituent's poem expressing frustration over delays in justice for contaminated blood victims. Highlights the emotional impact and shared experience across parties regarding this tragedy.
Ian Lavery
Lab
Blyth and Ashington
Describes his encounter with Sean Cavens, a constituent who campaigned tirelessly for justice despite setbacks. Emphasises that people are still dying without full compensation, questioning the Government's delay in setting up an arm’s length body to handle payments.
Wera Hobhouse
Lib Dem
Bath
People with haemophilia lack the protein that makes blood clot. Even minor injuries can lead to bleeding that is difficult to treat. Until the 1970s, those disorders were treated by plasma infusions that had to be given in hospital. That treatment was later replaced with factor concentrate, a new product that could be administered at home with an injection. Factor concentrate involves pooling human blood plasma from up to 40,000 donors. That plasma was often imported from paid, high-risk donors such as prisoners and drug addicts in the US. Just one contaminated sample could infect the entire batch.
Nia Griffith
Lab
Llanelli
I start by congratulating my right hon. Friend the Member for Kingston upon Hull North on the immense amount of work that she has done over so many years; the Father of the House, the hon. Member for Worthing West; my constituent Nigel Miller, who is himself a victim of this scandal; and the many others who have campaigned on this issue. As we know, Sir Brian Langstaff has recommended that the new compensation scheme be set up now, and that work should begin this year. The Government, however, have not responded to Sir Robert Francis’s recommendations on a framework for compensation, which he presented to them 15 months ago. Sir Brian has issued his second interim report, which supports Sir Robert’s recommendations with a minor adjustment for the inclusion of hepatitis B and the extension of cut-off dates for infections.
Chris Stephens
SNP
Glasgow North West
Chris Stephens, an MP and vice-chair of the all-party parliamentary group on haemophilia and contaminated blood, paid tribute to campaigners for their relentless advocacy. He criticised the Government's delays in providing justice and compensation to victims of contaminated blood products, particularly those suffering from hepatitis B. He also questioned the Paymaster General about the principle of establishing an arm’s length body to oversee compensation payments, arguing that it is essential for ensuring fairness and independence in handling issues such as death certificates and carers' rights.
Jessica Morden
Lab
Newport East
Ms Jessica Morden thanked her colleagues for organising the debate and expressed deep concern about the personal impact of the infected blood scandal on constituents. She cited specific cases, including Linda Ashcroft who lost her husband Bill Dumbelton to HIV and hepatitis C due to contaminated NHS blood products and the Smith family whose son Colin died from AIDS and hepatitis C as a baby after receiving contaminated factor VIII blood product. Morden urged the Minister for urgent action, highlighting the long wait for compensation despite previous commitments by government officials. She also emphasised that health may be devolved but responsibility lies with the UK Government for this scandal predating devolution.
Patrick Grady
SNP
Glasgow North
Congratulated the right hon. Member for Kingston upon Hull North and the hon. Member for Worthing West on securing the debate, thanked the SNP and all-party parliamentary group for their commitment to the issue over many years, and recognised the considerable personal and professional experience of his hon. Friend the Member for Central Ayrshire (Dr Whitford). Emphasised that this is not an abstract policy debate but one about people affected by the scandal who have lost or are losing loved ones. Highlighted the need for justice and recompense for those infected and their families, and thanked campaigners like Joyce Donnelly whose husband was infected with hepatitis C in the late 1970s and early 1980s at Glasgow Royal Infirmary. Mentioned that four people are estimated to be dying every week due to this scandal, and urged the Government for urgent action.
Fleur Anderson
Lab
Putney
Ms Anderson thanked campaigners for securing the debate, highlighted emotional testimonies from victims and families, acknowledged organisations campaigning for justice, paid tribute to reports by Sir Robert Francis and Sir Brian Langstaff, stressed the need for swift action on setting up a publicly funded compensation scheme as recommended.
Jeremy Quin
Con
South Dorset
Quin thanked the right hon. Member for Kingston upon Hull North and others who have brought attention to this issue, noting that victims are at the forefront of his mind daily. He discussed the establishment of a small ministerial group to handle the complexities of compensation and acknowledged the difficulty in estimating costs and numbers affected due to lack of data. Quin emphasised the need for clarity on delivery mechanisms and noted ongoing discussions with devolved Governments.
Robin Walker
Con
Eddisbury
Walker urged Jeremy Quin to expedite compensation for victims, referencing a precedent where legislation was passed swiftly for Northern Ireland's victims despite complex issues involved. He highlighted the case of his constituent Dr David Tibbutt who lost family members due to the scandal.
Diana R. Johnson
Lab
Kingston upon Hull North and Cottingham
Thanked all hon. Members for their contributions, noting the complexity of the issue but arguing that political leadership is lacking to address it adequately.
Pete Wishart
SNP
Perth and Kinross-shire
Declared a point of order to inform the House of the passing of Winnie Ewing, former MP for Hamilton and Moray and Nairn, who was also known as Madame Écosse in the European Parliament.
Echoed the sentiments expressed by Pete Wishart regarding the legacy and impact of Winnie Ewing.
Paid tribute to Winnie Ewing for her formidable contributions in three separate Parliaments and expressed condolences on behalf of the British Parliament.
Jamie Stone
Lib Dem
Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross
Furthered the point of order to pay tribute to Winnie Ewing for her kindness towards him when he was a new Member in Holyrood since 1999.
Government Response
Quin acknowledged the complexity and challenges in addressing compensation, expressing a commitment to work with devolved Governments for an effective response. He mentioned meeting Scottish, Welsh, and Northern Ireland Ministers to discuss Sir Brian Langstaff’s report and committed to providing updates as they progress.
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