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The Lifelong Learning (Higher Education Fee Limits) Bill
27 February 2023
Lead MP
Gillian Keegan
Debate Type
Bill Debate
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EducationEmployment
Other Contributors: 27
At a Glance
Gillian Keegan raised concerns about the lifelong learning (higher education fee limits) bill in the House of Commons. Other MPs contributed to the debate.
How the Debate Unfolded
MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said:
Lead Contributor
Opened the debate
I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time. The bill introduces a lifelong loan entitlement (LLE), ensuring everyone has flexible access to higher and further education regardless of their career stage or background. It will adapt the student finance framework to make different types of study more accessible by setting meaningful fee limits for shorter periods of study, thus enabling people to upskill and retrain flexibly throughout their working lives. The LLE is estimated to create a streamlined lifelong funding system that benefits everyone—learners, employers, and the economy. It aims to transform access to post-18 education and skills, providing learners with a loan entitlement equivalent to four years of post-18 education (£37,000). This will help people get the skills they need for future jobs, such as energy resources, broadband fibre delivery, social care, teaching, and nursing.
Jim Shannon
DUP
Strangford
Welcomes the Bill which aims to make a difference for young people who do not achieve educational standards.
Tom Hunt
Con
Tiverton and Honiton
Supports lifelong learning, advocating that support should also apply to those who are neurodiverse.
Flick Drummond
Con
Meon Valley
Questions whether there will be an age limit on the loan given people are now expected to work until 67. Also asks about carers' allowance while studying.
Aaron Bell
Con
Worcester
Agrees that this reform will ensure people get value for money in their education and enquires whether individuals who did not find their three-year course fulfilling can use the loan for reskilling.
Matt Western
Lab
Warwick and Leamington
Supports the principle of lifelong learning but raises concerns about lack of detail in the consultation response, the timeline for implementation, eligibility criteria, financial sustainability of providers, and regulatory burden. He urges the Government to publish the full consultation response before Committee stage.
Robin Walker
Con
Worcester
Welcomes the Second Reading of the Lifelong Learning and Education Bill, supporting its aim to extend educational opportunities for adults through loans and flexible learning options. Emphasises the potential benefits of making higher education more accessible and encourages universities to offer greater flexibility in course offerings and start dates. Expresses support for the vision his late father had regarding lifelong education opportunities.
Munira Wilson
Lib Dem
Twickenham
Wilson argues that the Government's investment in lifelong learning falls short of meeting the scale of ambition for adult education. She highlights research indicating 25 million workers needing upskilling and 5 million retraining by 2030 due to digitalisation and green economy transitions. She criticises the lack of detail regarding maintenance support, repayment terms, loan eligibility age, and equivalent qualifications rules in the Bill. Wilson also questions whether learners actually want the LLE mechanism.
Johnston intervenes to argue that people who do not wish for further or higher education should not be compelled to pay for it, suggesting that those wanting courses should contribute themselves. He acknowledges the importance of supporting low-income families.
David Evennett
Con
Bexleyheath and Crayford
David Evennett supports the Bill, emphasising the importance of lifelong learning opportunities for individuals regardless of their background. He cites personal experience as a college lecturer to highlight the need for additional educational opportunities beyond young adulthood. He also mentions his constituents in Bexleyheath and Crayford's interest in pursuing further studies under the simplified higher education system proposed by the Bill. Evennett raises concerns about the skills gap affecting small businesses, which he believes can be addressed through continuous upskilling facilitated by the lifelong loan entitlement.
Peter Aldous
Con
Woodford
Supports the need for a lifelong learning culture due to an ageing population, climate change challenges, and technological advancements. Argues that the Bill is crucial in addressing skills shortages in new industries such as zero-carbon energy production, life sciences, and food agriscience in East Anglia. He highlights issues like declining adult education participation rates, employer investment decline, inadequate opportunities for disadvantaged groups to advance, poor coordination across educational systems, and neglect of level 4 and 5 provision. Emphasises the need for a new lifelong learning culture, clarity on employer roles, aligned post-16 education strategy, maintenance support improvements, and better pathways for lower-level learners.
Aaron Bell
Con
Newcastle-under-Lyme
Education is crucial for social mobility and equality of opportunity. The Bill offers lifelong learning opportunities to people at various stages in their life, including those who previously studied or dropped out of university. It introduces a fair pricing system based on market value, allowing individuals to continue education and redirect careers with Government support. The Bill also supports local needs by requiring further education establishments to align provision with local requirements.
David Johnston
Con
Kingston upon Hull East
Supports the idea of lifelong learning and flexibility in education. Argues against the previous 50% university attendance target, citing its negative consequences such as unequal earning outcomes for graduates from different universities or courses. Highlights the importance of career advice tailored to a wider range of post-school options beyond traditional university degrees. Emphasises the need for greater parity between academic and vocational qualifications to address socio-economic disparities in educational opportunities.
Rehman Chishti
Con
Gillingham and Rainham
Agrees with David Johnston on the importance of good careers advice for young people. Raises concerns about a recent review affecting teacher training opportunities, suggesting it could impact the quality of education if fewer universities are involved in initial teacher training.
Aaron Bell
Con
Newcastle-under-Lyme
Supports Johnston's argument about the need for better careers advice, especially at ages 16 to 18 when students are deciding on their future educational pathways.
Julian Lewis
Con
New Forest East
Endorses Johnston's argument and raises concern about grade inflation in prestigious universities, impacting employers' ability to accurately assess candidates for job roles.
Barry Sheerman
Lab
Huddersfield
Acknowledges Johnston's points and asks if he is proposing a revival of Tony Blair’s individual learning accounts scheme, which collapsed due to fraud. Highlights that there has been widespread support for such schemes despite their past failures.
Siobhan Baillie
Con
Stroud
Supports the focus on lifelong learning, highlighting personal experience of non-traditional education paths. Advocates for further education colleges and the importance of various careers beyond university. Raises concerns about funding for FE colleges, recruitment issues, and integration with apprenticeship levy. Emphasises green skills development and employability initiatives to bridge future workforce gaps.
Matt Western
Lab
Warwick and Leamington
Acknowledges the importance of lifelong learning, raises concerns about UK productivity lagging behind France by 20%, discusses issues around maintenance loans for students being frozen, expresses worries over ELQ rule, supports the Minister's work but calls for more detail in Committee. He emphasises the need to address economic decline and GDP growth rates.
Matt Western
Lab
Warwick and Leamington
The Minister is a decent individual, so I ask that we have sufficient time to consider the response before Committee, given that it has been 10 months since the consultation.
David Evennett
Con
Bexleyheath and Crayford
Does the Minister agree that the Bill will be transformational? By enabling people to change careers, change skills and develop talents throughout their working lives, it will make people’s lives better and their opportunities much greater?
Alun Cairns
Con
Vale of Glamorgan
Will my right hon. Friend give way? Clearly, this is a devolved area of policy in the nations of the UK, but what discussions has he had with the devolved Administrations?
Robin Walker
Con
Worcester
My right hon. Friend will know that the difference between the Report and Committee stages can often be a few days... I am sure he will recognise that it would benefit the House enormously in its scrutiny if Members could have sight of the Government’s response to the consultation ahead of Committee.
Rosie Winterton
Lab
Called for order and urged Members to listen to interventions and the Minister's responses. Stressed the importance of hearing remaining parts of the debate despite an impending important statement.
Oliver Heald
Con
Asked Rosie Winterton about workforce planning for future skills needs, highlighting shortages in doctors, nurses, and other areas such as welding and life sciences.
Mike Penning
Lab
Asked about support for armed forces personnel after service who need to retrain in later life.
Gary Sambrook
Con
Discussed local investment in Cadbury College for skill development and lifelong learning.
Called for an inquiry into whether the loudspeakers are functioning properly, noting that the noise level was low despite some disturbance in the Chamber.
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