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List of Ministers’ Interests and Ministerial Code
24 April 2023
Lead MP
Alex Burghart
Debate Type
Ministerial Statement
Tags
TaxationStandards & Ethics
Other Contributors: 19
At a Glance
Alex Burghart raised concerns about list of ministers’ interests and ministerial code in the House of Commons. A government minister responded. Other MPs also contributed.
How the Debate Unfolded
MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said:
Government Statement
The Minister confirmed the publication of the latest list of Ministers’ interests on 19 April by Sir Laurie Magnus, detailing that it is not a register but rather a twice-yearly published list highlighting relevant interests as per the ministerial code. Each Minister makes a declaration upon appointment and updates throughout their term, with advice from Permanent Secretaries and an independent adviser to avoid conflicts of interest. The system gathers comprehensive information privately for effective management, with publication reflecting the need for clarity and transparency without undue intrusion into personal matters.
Wendy Chamberlain
Lib Dem
North East Fife
Question
Challenged the minister on delays in publishing ministerial interests lists, questioned transparency regarding former Ministers' interests, and called for regular reporting. Raised concerns over the Prime Minister's promise of integrity and requested a duty affirmation from the Government to uphold civil service impartiality.
Minister reply
Acknowledged that Sir Laurie Magnus will return to regular publication cycles as he sees fit without government interference. Stated no formal allegations existed against former Deputy Prime Minister before appointment, leading to an independent investigation upon allegation disclosure.
Question
Proposed that Sir Laurie Magnus write annual public letters to the Prime Minister on system effectiveness and needed improvements.
Minister reply
Acknowledged Father of the House’s long-term perspective, suggesting Sir Laurie would consider this proposal.
Fleur Anderson
Lab
Putney
Question
Asked about the former Deputy Prime Minister's resignation, whether the Government knew or approved his statements blaming victims for bullying issues, and if he should apologise. She also questioned the PM's financial interests declaration and requested more regular updates on ministerial interests.
Minister reply
The Government is focused on reducing inflation to tackle the cost of living crisis. The Prime Minister has been 'assiduous' in declaring all relevant interests according to Lord Geidt, and Dominic Raab expressed regret for any stress or offence caused.
William Wragg
Con
Halifax
Question
Suggested that the Government should reach out to opposition parties to devise some form of cooperation.
Minister reply
Emphasised the importance of separate lists for Ministers and MPs, but noted that anyone can compare the two reports as necessary.
Kirsty Blackman
SNP
Aberdeen North
Question
Asked about delays in publishing ministerial declarations and questioned the point of having a code if Ministers do not abide by it.
Minister reply
Defended the due process, noting that independent investigations were conducted when formal allegations were made against ministers.
Desmond Swayne
Con
New Forest West
Question
Asked about swift action to reduce the time frame for complaints about ministerial behaviour.
Minister reply
The Prime Minister has asked the Cabinet Office to look at addressing shortcomings in the historic process and intends to do so swiftly.
Angela Eagle
Lab
Wallasey
Question
Critiqued the current system as unsatisfactory due to lack of integrity from Prime Ministers.
Minister reply
Defended the Prime Minister's integrity, citing Lord Geidt and Sir Laurie Magnus' reports.
Thurrock
Question
Asked about rebooting the ministerial code to focus on values expected of Ministers.
Minister reply
Agreed that the code is important for guiding Ministerial behaviour, especially in operational responsibilities.
Chris Bryant
Lab
Rhondda
Question
Suggested that the current ministerial code system is outdated and needs reform to unify with parliamentary codes of conduct.
Minister reply
Explained differences between ministerial interests lists and MPs' registers, highlighting varying relevancies based on portfolio changes.
Simon Hoare
Con
North Dorset
Question
If we are serious about supporting and defending the independence and sagacity of our senior civil servants, their advice on whether something should be in the public domain or not should surely be enough. Otherwise, it is a direct challenge to the authority of those senior civil servants to whom a Minister is making a declaration. Does the Minister agree with that? Does he also agree that the clue is in the title—a blind trust is just that?
Minister reply
Absolutely. A blind trust must be a blind trust. On my hon. Friend’s point about the integrity of official advice to Ministers, absolutely, our system requires officials to be able to give advice candidly and freely, safe in the knowledge that it will not routinely be disclosed.
Karin Smyth
Lab
Bristol South
Question
In the discussions with the Deputy Prime Minister last week, was he offered a range of sanctions with regard to the breach of the ministerial code before he resigned?
Minister reply
I was not party to those discussions, so I am unable to say.
James Wild
Con
North West Norfolk
Question
The transparency provided by the list is important, which is why I welcome its publication. Does my hon. Friend agree with me that the Opposition should follow the Government’s lead on transparency, and publish details of all meetings and contacts that they had with senior civil servant Sue Grey before her appointment as Labour party chief of staff?
Minister reply
Like my hon. Friend, I await that publication.
Tan Dhesi
Lab
Slough
Question
Does the Minister not agree that we now have a Prime Minister who has to be forced—compelled, if not embarrassed—into showing any sort of transparency?
Minister reply
Absolutely not.
Question
When Sir Laurie Magnus gave evidence to PACAC on the compliance of Ministers with the ministerial code, he said: “I think you have to rely on their honesty, their compliance with the seven principles of public life and their recognising that if they are to have the privilege of a ministerial position, they have to comply with the expected standards.” What can we do in this place when they do not?
Minister reply
The hon. Gentleman, I am sure, as a member of PACAC, will have read Sir Laurie Magnus’s list, published last week, in which he outlines that Ministers are doing what they are expected to do and that permanent secretaries are helping them to do so.
Debbie Abrahams
Lab
Oldham East and Saddleworth
Question
There are so many loopholes in the regulatory system for all the codes of conduct, but in that of the ministerial code in particular. The so-called Independent Adviser on Ministers’ Interests is anything but independent, and unable to initiate their own investigations or to decide on what sanctions are appropriate. When will the Government adopt my Elected Representatives (Codes of Conduct) Bill, which I introduced at the beginning of the year to close the existing loopholes?
Minister reply
With all due respect to the hon. Lady, it is completely the case that the Independent Adviser on Ministers’ Interests is independent. He is independent and he conducts his duties accordingly in that role.
Question
The problem the Minister has is that there is a pattern with the Prime Minister: he has already been fined for not wearing a seatbelt and for breaching covid rules, and he is currently being investigated over allegations about his registering of interests. Now, in an unprecedented move, it has been reported that the investigation has been widened because of allegations that it was discussed in public. Can the Minister explain why this Prime Minister, sadly much like his predecessor but one, seems to be—[Interruption.]
Minister reply
The Prime Minister is doing an excellent job of delivering on the people’s priorities. Scottish National party Members want to be very careful before picking up rocks in their glasshouse.
Clive Efford
Lab
Eltham and Chislehurst
Question
We had the fast track for covid contracts, where people did not have to be a Conservative party member or donor—but it didn’t half help—to get a contract. We have had Ministers having to resign over various misconducts. We have had gaps in their declarations of interest, and now we have this investigation into the Prime Minister. That is a fact: that is happening. Does the Minister not think it is time that we had an independent ethics investigator who could look into these matters? Regardless of who is in government, the public’s view is that these things bring down our politics. Should we not all work together to clean it up and make sure that there is an independent investigator with power to independently investigate?
Minister reply
We have an independent adviser and a ministerial code. This Government are delivering on the Prime Minister’s commitment to integrity and professionalism.
Jim Shannon
DUP
Strangford
Question
Thank you Madam Deputy Speaker. I thank the Minister for his clarification and the answers that he is trying to deliver. Will he further outline whether clear guidance will be issued on what constitutes a conflict of interest and how far that extends, to ensure that this House does not continue to consider these matters with the current greyness?
Minister reply
I refer the hon. Gentleman to Sir Laurie Magnus’s report and list published last week. The process by which it is decided what conflicts Ministers might have is in conjunction with ministerial declarations, the permanent secretary and the independent adviser.
Shadow Comment
Wendy Chamberlain
Shadow Comment
The shadow criticised the delay in publishing ministerial interests lists, noting that it took 320 days since the last publication. She also highlighted missing interests of former Ministers and called for more regular reporting to ensure transparency. Wendy questioned the Prime Minister’s integrity given recent controversies involving appointees and urged the Government to address behavioural standards and civil service impartiality issues.
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