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Powering Up Britain
30 March 2023
Lead MP
Graham Stuart
Debate Type
Ministerial Statement
Tags
ClimateEnergy
Other Contributors: 36
At a Glance
Graham Stuart raised concerns about powering up britain in the House of Commons. A government minister responded. Other MPs also contributed.
How the Debate Unfolded
MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said:
Government Statement
The minister announced a comprehensive energy security plan and net zero growth strategy, emphasising the need to diversify, decarbonise, and domesticate Britain's energy supplies. This includes launching Great British Nuclear for clean nuclear power, initiating floating offshore wind manufacturing investment scheme with up to £160 million funding, investing in carbon capture and storage, setting out hydrogen ambitions with electrolytic hydrogen allocation, providing an extra £1 billion for the great British insulation scheme, and speeding up heat pump installation with up to £300 million overall funding. The minister also highlighted Britain's position as a global leader in offshore wind power and the publication of green finance strategy, 2030 strategic framework for international climate action, and an international climate finance strategy committing to £11.6 billion.
Ed Miliband
Lab
Doncaster North
Question
The shadow asked why the minister refused to lift the ban on onshore wind and how much support would be provided for hydrogen investment compared to other countries. He also questioned the lack of clarity around the funding source for carbon capture and storage, as well as the UK's falling behind in climate finance investments.
Minister reply
The minister did not provide a direct answer to these questions but emphasised the importance of decarbonisation efforts and commitments to international climate action.
Ed Miliband
Lab
Doncaster North
Question
Critiques the lack of new policies and investments; questions on lifting the ban on onshore wind, recognising the failure to invest adequately in hydrogen, clarifies CCS funding details, asks about falling behind other countries' investment levels, and demands confirmation that 2030 climate targets will not be met.
Minister reply
Acknowledges Labour's past failures but commits to energy efficiency improvements through a taskforce and additional spending. Highlights the transformation of renewable energy under current government leadership compared to the previous Labour administration. Challenges Labour's proposal for GB Energy, stating it would reverse green progress. Defends the Government’s international competitiveness in renewables while reviewing onshore wind policy with local consent. Points out that three quarters of UK power still relies on fossil fuels and criticises opposition for failing to have a plan for phasing them out.
Question
Thanking the Minister for his response, seeks confirmation that the Government's net zero pathway is better due to the recommendations of his review. Emphasises the economic opportunity in decarbonisation and urges collaboration with US on green energy. Critiques Labour for 'kicking the can down the road' regarding emissions reduction targets.
Minister reply
Pays tribute to Chris Skidmore's work, confirms that the UK is committed to meeting its ambitious 2030 NDC target and exceeding it as per previous records. Highlights opportunities around carbon storage in Europe for reindustrialisation of parts of Britain. Defends against accusations by Ed Miliband that the Government isn't on track, citing current policies quantified at 92% coverage.
Alan Brown
SNP
Clydebank and Milngavie
Question
I think the greenest aspect of these announcements is the level of recycling in them without the actual funding to back them up. Starting with nuclear, there is no successful European pressurised water reactor project anywhere in the world. Hinkley has almost doubled in price to £33 billion, so we know that Sizewell C will cost something like £35 billion. That is a huge, scandalous waste of money that could be better utilised elsewhere.
Minister reply
The hon. Gentleman’s party of course opposes nuclear, despite the opportunity it provides to this country, and it means that Scotland does not benefit as it should. He talked about pumped hydro, and I would be happy to meet him to discuss that further.
Alan Brown
SNP
Clydebank and Milngavie
Question
On SMRs, there is not even an approved design with the regulator yet. At £2 billion a pop, SMRs are not cheap either, and it is a myth that they will lower energy bills and provide security.
Minister reply
We are the world leader in tidal energy, although we would be hard pushed to understand that from the hon. Gentleman.
Alan Brown
SNP
Clydebank and Milngavie
Question
The Minister knows that we need a greater ringfenced pot for tidal. At the moment, tidal stream energy has an 80% to 90% UK supply chain. If the Government do not increase the ringfenced budget, we risk offshoring manufacturing again.
Minister reply
On carbon capture and storage, this is a major announcement today. I am delighted about the eight projects for carbon capture that have come forward as part of track 1.
Alan Brown
SNP
Clydebank and Milngavie
Question
On CCS, Acorn was not even mentioned in the statement. It was promised to us in 2014, and now it is not even mentioned. Is there going to be a definitive funding allocation for Acorn?
Minister reply
Today, we have launched track 2, and we have said in the papers, as the hon. Gentleman will be delighted to hear, that we think the Scottish cluster—and Acorn—and Viking in the Humber are the two best placed at the moment to go ahead.
Alok Sharma
Con
Ealing Central and Acton
Question
Mr Deputy Speaker, thank you for calling me. Could I start by saying that I welcome the announcements that have been made? I think this does move us forward on the road to decarbonising our economy. Why are we waiting until the autumn to respond to that?
Minister reply
I thank my right hon. Friend, and I pay tribute to him for his role as COP President and all the leadership he has given in this area.
Alex Cunningham
Lab
Stockton North
Question
After more than eight years championing carbon capture and storage, I welcome today’s positive news, even the repeated bits, but particularly the projects for Teesside. That said, the Government’s ambition falls short of the industry’s.
Minister reply
I think there was some recognition of good news in there from the hon. Gentleman.
Nigel Adams
Con
Sherwood
Question
There is much to be welcomed in the Minister’s statement, but excluding Drax from the track 1 CCS projects will come as a surprise to many and a blow to the company’s employees in my constituency and the wider region. Could the Minister clear something up for me?
Minister reply
I thank my right hon. Friend for his question.
Caroline Lucas
Green
Brighton Pavilion
Question
Just a week ago, the UN Secretary-General said we needed a “quantum leap” when it comes to climate action. This Government have laboured and, frankly, brought forth a mouse.
Minister reply
I thank the hon. Lady for her question.
Greg Clark
Con
Islington North
Question
I had the great pleasure of opening the Siemens wind turbine blade factory in Hull, which is living proof that net zero, low-cost energy, energy security and jobs and prosperity can go hand in hand. Does my right hon. Friend recognise the export opportunities for the next generation of offshore wind—floating offshore wind—working with countries including Japan? On nuclear, will he consider accelerating the national planning statement so that developers of small modular reactors do not have to wait until 2025 to plan deployment? And on hydrogen, will the road map include a target date for phasing out polluting grey hydrogen?
Minister reply
I share my right hon. Friend’s enthusiasm for the export opportunities that lie ahead of us. By leaning in ahead of others, as we have done and are doing, we can develop technologies and solutions which can then be exported all around the world. We are setting out today our vision for hydrogen and our commissioning of electrolytic hydrogen projects to transform the situation and move to a position where we have no unabated hydrogen as soon as that can possibly be delivered.
Daniel Zeichner
Lab
Cambridge
Question
I am not sure what the Minister had for breakfast but it is probably best avoided because his aggressive and belligerent approach has undermined much of the good cross-party consensus that there is on this important issue. No one can look at the home insulation schemes of the last decade and imagine they are anything other than a painful failure, so for cities such as mine that have historical housing and need an insulation scheme, how will the new schemes be different from the failures of the last few years?
Minister reply
The hon. Gentleman talked about getting the tone right; perhaps I responded in the appropriate tone to the way that the right hon. Member for Doncaster North (Edward Miliband) addressed me. We have gone from 14% of homes effectively insulated to half of all homes, and we are driving forward with a budget precisely to take this forward and improve it further.
Question
Who will pay for CCS as it does not generate any direct revenue from retail customers?
Minister reply
To decarbonise industry, we will need CCS and hydrogen. We are socialising the funding requirements across the piece to ensure that we deliver what is necessary to meet our carbon targets at the lowest possible cost to consumers.
Wera Hobhouse
Lib Dem
Bath
Question
If the Government were so serious about climate action why did they need to be dragged into court and told by the High Court that their existing plans are not sufficient? Now we have a new strategy, but there is not very much new in it and still a de facto ban on onshore wind. Will the Minister commit to cancel the planned expansion of fossil fuel subsidies and instead commit to a significant increase in onshore wind?
Minister reply
I am afraid the hon. Lady may want to correct the record because she misled the House. The courts did not say our policies were insufficient; they said they wished to have more detail on them. We are responding to that technical point today, providing further detail.
Maldon
Question
I thank my right hon. Friend for his statement and strongly welcome the Government’s commitment to a new generation of nuclear power stations, which are going to play an essential part in delivering both energy security and net zero. Can he confirm that Bradwell-on-Sea in my constituency remains a designated site for new nuclear investment?
Minister reply
The current nuclear policy statement identified Bradwell as a site for nuclear electricity until the end of 2025, and with the launch today of Great British Nuclear, its first job is to look at the process for down-selecting technologies for small modular reactors.
Nick Smith
Lab
Blaenau Gwent and Rhymney
Question
The Minister talks up energy security but fails to prioritise onshore wind, the best value renewable energy. By when will the Government remove the ban on onshore wind?
Minister reply
I have set out our position on onshore wind. The great thing about the CfD system we have set up is that it has helped to reveal costs and ensure competition between various types of energy, including ground-mounted solar which might actually prove to be the lowest cost generator.
Question
I draw the House’s attention to my entry in the Register of Members’ Financial Interests. I am sure the Minister will have read reports this morning that his Department intends to bring forward a code that will initially be voluntary but will then become mandatory saying that mortgage lenders should ensure that their loan book only includes properties that have an energy performance certificate of C or above. Does the Minister accept that for those who live in an older property, a doer-upper, a national park or a listed property, the net effect of this policy is that they will have zero chance of a mortgage?
Minister reply
No policy decision has been made in this area. We are consulting and going out to find ideas about the best way of doing this. Any system needs to take account of the particularities of certain property types.
Ben Lake
PC
Ceredigion Preseli
Question
I am pleased the statement mentioned the importance of energy efficiency schemes, both for their contribution to our net zero ambitions and the help they can offer households. The New Economics Foundation estimates that had all homes across England and Wales been upgraded to EPC rating C over the past decade, energy bills would on average have been £530 cheaper per household. I take it that the £1 billion allocated for the great British insulation scheme is in addition to the £6 billion committed at the autumn statement for expenditure post-2025. Is the Minister considering ways of bringing forward some of this spending so that even greater progress can be made?
Minister reply
With the energy efficiency taskforce and my colleague Lord Callanan, we are bringing industry and other stakeholders together to ensure that we have all the right policies because the best form of energy is energy we do not use: it is demand that we can remove and destroy.
Question
Anglesey is known as energy island. We have wind, wave, solar, tidal, hydrogen and, hopefully, new nuclear at Wylfa, and we have projects like Morlais, Minesto, bp Mona, the Holyhead hydrogen hub and Lightsource bp, so I welcome the statement to power up Britain. Will the Minister confirm to me and my Ynys Môn constituents, particularly those in Cemlyn, Cemaes and Amlwch, that the UK Government are committed to new nuclear at Wylfa, and will he accept my invitation to visit Wylfa, one of the best new nuclear sites in the UK?
Minister reply
My hon. Friend will understand that I cannot make policy commitments to Wylfa on the hoof. What I can tell her is that it has already been assessed as one of the best nuclear sites in the UK and if the energy focus, determination and sheer drive of the Member of Parliament have anything to do with it, Wylfa has a very positive and strong nuclear future ahead of it.
Richard Burgon
Lab
Leeds East
Question
The way to deliver energy security, tackle the climate crisis and lower bills as quickly as possible is through renewables, yet the Government are hooked on ever more oil and gas production, and on handing massive subsidies to polluting companies. Over 700 scientists have written to the Prime Minister to ask him to grant no new oil and gas licences, a call backed by the United Nations Secretary-General. Is it not time that the Minister used his powers to prevent the development of the Rosebank oilfield?
Minister reply
We are accelerating renewables as quickly as we possibly can. As I say, we have transformed the dire situation we inherited and we are moving as fast as we can on that, but we are going to need, and be dependent on, oil and gas for decades to come. Under net zero, we will still be using a quarter of the gas we use today. The hon. Gentleman is saying to his constituents, “Let’s pay billions to foreign, sometimes hostile, states, rather than producing our own.” That is economic madness. The gas we bring in on tankers has two and a half times the emissions of our domestically produced gas.
Question
The Minister is exactly right that we are on the cusp of a new industrial revolution. Floating offshore wind will be a key part of that picture, so I welcome the confirmation he has given today of the £160 million FLOMIS—floating offshore wind manufacturing investment scheme—port infrastructure package. Will he confirm when he is likely to start awarding that funding? Does he agree with me that it needs to be used in a really targeted way to unlock private sector investment and ensure we capture first mover advantage with floating offshore wind? Will he visit the port of Milford Haven to see the really exciting things happening in the energy sector there?
Minister reply
I thank my right hon. Friend who, like my hon. Friend the Member for Ynys Môn (Virginia Crosbie), is relentless in promoting and pursuing these interests. He can see that moving towards net zero and capitalising on the huge natural assets around Wales, can contribute to jobs, prosperity and industrial renaissance, as well as help us to deliver the transition. I would be delighted to visit him. In answer to his earlier question, we want to do that as soon as possible.
Question
RenewableUK commented that the budget and parameters set for the most recent contract for difference auction are currently too low and too tight to unlock all the potential investment in wind, solar and tidal stream. Tidal alone could produce huge amounts—up to 11 GW —of reliable clean electricity for far less than the cost of nuclear. The Minister claims he supports tidal, so why have the Government cut their funding commitments to it?
Minister reply
We have not cut our funding commitments; we have moved to a one-year allocation. The budgets are set based on our assessment of projects and where they are in the planning and permissions process. Those budgets, if projects can come forward and put themselves in a different position, can be altered by Ministers. I think we are in a fantastic position.
David Mundell
Con
Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale
Question
I commend my right hon. Friend not just on his statement, but on his long-standing passion for this subject. Perhaps he can expand on something he referenced a moment ago: the fact that liquid gas imported in tankers creates two and a half times as many emissions as domestically produced gas in the North sea. Does he not agree with me that it is incomprehensible that the SNP and now Labour oppose domestic production, which is not only bad for jobs, but bad for the environment?
Minister reply
My right hon. Friend is, of course, absolutely right. The hon. Member for Leeds East (Richard Burgon) talked about growing our oil and gas. We are net importers of oil and gas, and production in the mature basin of the North sea is falling. Only new investment can unlock the greening and electrification of production, with even lower emissions in sight from the North sea than from tankered gas coming in from abroad.
Alistair Carmichael
Lib Dem
Orkney and Shetland
Question
I take the Minister’s recent comments to be a notification that I will be having a constituency visit from him. I look forward to that.
However, can I take him back to the question of energy security and just remind him that there is more to energy security than what we produce and where? It is also about the protection of infrastructure and the assets around it. All this week, we have had a Russian tug, the Nikolay Chiker, steaming up and down to the east of Shetland in the vicinity of the pipeline servicing Brent and Ninian. This morning, the tug has gone around to the north-west of Shetland and is now doing the same thing in the vicinity of the pipeline servicing the Laggan field to the west of Shetland. It is a merchant vessel, but we know that the Russian military often purpose merchant vessels in this way. Will the Minister speak to his colleagues in the Ministry of Defence to see, first, if they know what is going on? Secondly, if they do not, will they find out? Thirdly, what will we be doing in the long term to protect these vital national assets?
Minister reply
I thank the right hon. Gentleman for his question. Perhaps we can follow up offline on that. As appropriate, I would certainly be happy to engage with my colleagues in the MOD. As a Minister for energy security, I keep all that under advisement.
Question
I love the energy the Government are putting behind energy, particularly nuclear. I hope that Berkeley and Oldbury will get a small modular reactor, because the western gateway is working really hard. Supersmart Stroud businesses are still coming up against things like planning barriers for solar rooftop and tracking, and Competition and Markets Authority problems for financing options for renewables. The UK also needs to look really lively to win the race on the hydrogen ICE—internal combustion engine. I welcome the big announcements today, but will the Government move the machine to resolve a raft of smaller daily frustrations, so we can unleash some amazing British businesses, many of which are in the Stroud district?
Minister reply
My hon. Friend is absolutely right. If there was one priority above all else in the Department, it would be ensuring that we get the grid sorted and the infrastructure in place to allow that transformation.
Liz Twist
Lab
Blaydon and Consett
Question
Too many homes in places such as Chopwell in my constituency urgently need insulation and energy efficiency. They, and people across the country, face additional charges of up to £1,000. How will the Government take active steps to address issues such as those in Chopwell, to ensure that they are energy efficient and that people can benefit from better homes?
Minister reply
The hon. Lady is absolutely right to highlight the issue. That is why we have set up the energy efficiency taskforce. We are putting in £6.5 billion in this Parliament, as well as announcing the major insulation scheme today. We have another £6 billion between 2025 and 2028.
Question
With energy security a key strategic imperative for our Union, I thank the Minister not only for this statement but for his common-sense approach to investments in oil and gas as we transition to a greener economy. Building on other Members’ comments about investment in British nuclear, such projects are notoriously slow at being delivered. Can we look at how to very quickly get spades in the ground and invest in small nuclear reactors for the benefit of the country?
Minister reply
The reason for setting up Great British Nuclear is precisely to de-risk, roll the pitch and accelerate technologies. One of the benefits of small modular reactors as opposed to gigawatt scale is quicker replicability.
Richard Thomson
SNP
Dundee East
Question
In relation to the Acorn project, I get a feeling of déjà vu. It was promised in 2008 and ahead of the 2014 referendum, which to some of us feels like a generation ago. Can the Minister do something that none of his predecessors has ever been able to do: tell us exactly the difference between a track 1 reserve project and a track 2 project? Can he tell us what difference that will make to the timescale for funding and delivery, should the Acorn project finally be favoured by his colleagues?
Minister reply
The hon. Gentleman is a little unfair. If one of the two selected track 1 projects were to come off track, the reserve would move up—that was the point. It was an indicator of the maturity and viability of the Scottish cluster. We are moving fast. We have announced the launch of track 2 now. We believe that the Scottish cluster and the Viking cluster in the Humber are the two leading contenders best placed to do it, and we will move forward with speed.
Selaine Saxby
Con
North Devon
Question
I thank my right hon. Friend for today’s announcements and for his ongoing engagement on the new Department’s work. Will he reaffirm his commitment to rapid delivery of floating offshore wind in the Celtic sea, along with the vital UK-based supply chain and port infrastructure right around the Celtic sea coast?
Minister reply
My hon. Friend is a member of a small, elite group of colleagues who are relentlessly focused on ensuring that the energy transition is done in the right way, leading to jobs and prosperity for her constituents and others. I can confirm that. Having announced the launch of FLOWMIS today, we look forward rapidly to supporting the port infrastructure that is critical to the delivery of floating offshore wind, and the maintenance of the UK as the world leader on this vital technology.
Olivia Blake
Lab
Sheffield Hallam
Question
The Minister spoke of making policy on the hoof, so I wonder why the Government’s policy seems to be chasing a unicorn. What happens if the unicorn of carbon capture and storage turns out to be a donkey with an ice cream on its head? Would it not be better to unlock the stables of the reliable horses of home insulation, solar and onshore wind?
Minister reply
So can I take it that the hon. Lady’s party is opposed? It failed to support the regulated asset base regulations in Committee to allow new nuclear to go ahead, despite its protestations to the contrary. Now, she seems to be opposed to carbon capture and storage, which offers enormous opportunities for all sorts of industrial parts of the United Kingdom—another failure.
Scott Benton
Con
High Peak
Question
If we are truly serious about speeding up the planning process for energy production, the Minister’s new Department needs exclusive planning control over all matters. Is that Government policy? If it is, when is it likely to happen?
Minister reply
Talking of making policy on the hoof, my announcement today that the Department would take over the entirety of the planning system would cause something of a Whitehall ruckus. At least twice this week I have met colleagues from the Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities to ensure a joined-up approach across Government.
Jim Shannon
DUP
Strangford
Question
I thank the Minister for his statement. I have listened attentively to him, I have read the Government publication and, unfortunately, I did not see any reference to tidal energy. In Strangford lough we have a ready-made project. I was pleased to have the Minister over to visit the Queens University biology station. The scientists there were very happy to see him there and to have his input on the projects that we feel can make a difference. Will he outline whether the potential of tidal energy is getting the appropriate attention it deserves?
Minister reply
It was my great pleasure to be hosted by the hon. Gentleman at Strangford lough and to hear all about the potential strengths of the tides. I am delighted to see the growth of tidal energy.
Martin Vickers
Con
Brigg and Immingham
Question
There is much to welcome in my right hon. Friend’s statement, particularly in the Humber region, as he will recognise. He referenced a £160 million fund for port infrastructure. Clearly, improvements will be needed to cope with many of these projects. Can he indicate when that is likely to come forward? I presume there will be a bidding process. Will that be open fairly soon?
Minister reply
I thank my hon. Friend for his question. Let me follow up with him to talk about more of the details, but I welcome, as he does, the success of the Gigastack Phillips 66 project, the initial hydrogen project.
Question
I welcome my right hon. Friend’s statement. This strategy rightly focuses on security of energy, its cost and decarbonisation. I would be grateful if he could confirm that the Government will also concentrate on the enormous opportunity to create jobs, and that they will come forward quickly with both a skills strategy and a plan for investment in infrastructure, which should include both the grid and ports such as Lowestoft?
Minister reply
I thank my hon. Friend for his constructive contribution, as ever. I co-chair the green jobs delivery group. We are working closely with industry to ensure that we get the signals from them across multiple trades, and engaging with the Department for Education to ensure that it can use those inputs to construct various courses to support that.
Shadow Comment
Ed Miliband
Shadow Comment
The shadow criticised the minister's statement as lacking new investment and commitment. He highlighted significant omissions such as lifting the onshore wind ban, providing new funding for energy efficiency, and mandating Ofgem to align with net zero goals. Additionally, Miliband pointed out that the policies announced do not meet the 2030 climate target promised at COP26, questioning the Government's commitment to global leadership in climate action.
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