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Financial Services Reforms
11 July 2023
Lead MP
Andrew Griffith
Debate Type
Ministerial Statement
Tags
EconomyClimateBrexit
Other Contributors: 21
At a Glance
Andrew Griffith raised concerns about financial services reforms in the House of Commons. A government minister responded. Other MPs also contributed.
How the Debate Unfolded
MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said:
Government Statement
The Minister announced the Government’s latest efforts to make the UK a leading financial centre, focusing on pension reforms, attracting high-growth companies, and simplifying regulations. The Chancellor's Mansion House speech outlined measures to improve outcomes for long-term savers, increase investment in high-growth firms through DC scheme consolidation and launching the LIFTS competition for up to £250 million of Government support. The Minister highlighted plans to facilitate more flexible IPO processes and abolish protectionist rules like the share trading obligation and double volume cap. He also announced the repeal of 100 pieces of retained EU law, aiming for growth-friendly regulations without compromising on quality.
Tulip Siddiq
Lab
Hampstead and Highgate
Question
What guarantee can the Government provide that British high growth firms will be able to access the capital they need to thrive and create good jobs in every part of the UK? With no clear roadmap, how will that be achieved?
Minister reply
The minister emphasised that measures like the LIFTS competition and DC scheme reforms aim to boost investment in UK high-growth firms. He did not provide a specific guarantee but highlighted ongoing efforts to improve access to capital for such firms.
Tulip Siddiq
Lab
Hampstead and Highgate
Question
I thank the Minister for an advance copy of his statement. However, after 13 years of a low growth, low investment economy, these promises are too little, too late.
Minister reply
It is always a pleasure to listen to the hon. Lady. In general, what I learn is that the Opposition have no plan. It is all critique and no counter-proposal. She talked about this being too little, too late, but this Government are moving at pace, in what the sector acknowledges as one of the fastest rates of implementation of financial services reform for a generation.
Harriett Baldwin
Con
West Worcestershire
Question
I warmly welcome the work that the Economic Secretary and the pensions Minister have done in this important area, and strongly endorse what the Economic Secretary says about its meaning that future pensioners will be able to retire with higher pension incomes. However, he will know that I have put another piece of urgent work in his inbox, about helping the 93% of our constituents who are unable to afford access to financial advice and have to rely on bog-standard generic guidance.
Minister reply
It is always a pleasure to respond to my hon. Friend and to the work of her tremendous Treasury Committee... She is right to raise the question of access to financial advice; I am afraid the world of financial services regulation is fraught with unintended consequences, and one unintended consequence of financial regulation and a growing compensation culture is to move financial advice beyond the financial ability of so many people who would benefit from receiving it.
Question
I thank the Economic Secretary for his statement. I agree with him on regulation, where he said that regulators would be required to facilitate growth and competitiveness alongside their other objectives.
Minister reply
I thank the right hon. Gentleman for his support for growth and competitiveness... He raises the issue of defined contribution and the liability for the taxpayer. Of course, that does not attach to defined-contribution schemes, which is why it is so important that they continue to benefit from the highest-quality regulation.
Question
I refer the House to my entry in the Register of Members’ Financial Interests. Like my hon. Friend the Member for West Worcestershire (Harriett Baldwin), I warmly welcome the work that my hon. Friends on the Front Bench have done.
Minister reply
My hon. Friend, who knows so much about this topic and has engaged so lucidly on it, is absolutely right about the importance of investment research... This is one example of where we inherited a European fact pattern that was not quite right for the UK.
Stephen Timms
Lab
East Ham
Question
Defined-benefit pension funds have long been under pressure to invest in Government gilts rather than the productive economy, so I welcome the change of direction that the Minister has announced. He has indicated how much extra pension fund investment will go into high-growth companies in future. Will he indicate what share of that he expects to go into UK high-growth firms rather than overseas? He has indicated, I think, a replacement for the current charge caps on pension funds, with a wider value-for-money assessment, but can he indicate when we are likely to see the detail on what exactly he and the Under-Secretary of State for Work and Pensions, the hon. Member for Sevenoaks (Laura Trott), have in mind for that?
Minister reply
I thank the right hon. Gentleman for his contributions on how we can deliver the best pensions for long-term savers. There are no estimates for the share of the UK. We are mobilising an additional £50 billion of assets over time. That is evolution, not revolution. We would expect—and it is the job of this Government—to present that investment capital with a wave of attractive options across some of the fastest-growing sectors, as the Prime Minister and Chancellor have laid out, and to remove frictions and obstacles as people seek to invest in the UK, creating a conducive environment for that investment but falling short of mandating it. On the charge cap, we are this morning publishing a consultation on the new value for money framework.
Question
I welcome this set of measures, particularly the ending of the packaged retail and insurance-based investment products regime and the introduction of the Mansion House compact. I will share two key concerns with the Minister. On fintech and early-stage businesses, we have a problem in this country because the pension fund industry has divested itself of UK equities, to the detriment of the London stock exchange and, ultimately, of financial services generally. It troubles me that that 5% is not focused on early-stage start-ups in the UK, unlike many other domestic pension funds, which do support their own. More generally, a bigger piece of the jigsaw is missing in my view. Pension funds have generally divested themselves of UK equities to such an extent—some estimates suggest a 90% reduction since 2000—that we need to see more encouragement by Government to get the pension funds to use their wealth by putting it into UK equities for the betterment of the UK economy. After all, they do benefit from tax breaks.
Minister reply
I thank my hon. Friend for his, as ever, apposite points. That encouragement is exactly what the proposals are all about: working voluntarily with the sector and encouraging it to lean in. I want people to see 5% as a potential floor, not a ceiling. Many will seek to go much further forward. The broad objective of the Government is to provide good access to capital at every stage of a company’s life, whether it is our support for the seed enterprise investment scheme, the enterprise investment scheme or the venture capital trust; the expansion of the pool of individual investors who are able to invest directly in the stock market; and some of the opportunities that he talked about.
Meg Hillier
Lab Co-op
Hackney South and Shoreditch
Question
I draw the House’s attention to the fact that I am a trustee of the parliamentary contributory pension fund. Forgive me if I am a little sceptical about Government involvement in pension funds. We have seen how the annual and lifetime allowances, announced at the Dispatch Box by a former Chancellor, have played out. It was also this Government who took us through McCloud in the public sector. The Minister said that the average earner who starts saving at 18 could increase the size of their pension pot by 12% over their career. Can he give the House examples of the assumptions behind that figure, and will he publish the modelling behind it?
Minister reply
The Government Actuary’s Department is the source of those figures, which we published this morning—I draw the hon. Lady’s attention to that fact. Clearly, there are a number of assumptions within that. I do not think it is right to be sceptical. These are reforms that have been formed with wide consultation, including from across the House.
Robbie Moore
Con
Keighley and Ilkley
Question
I welcome the statement, particularly the aim to unlock assets in the local government pension scheme through an acceleration of pooling with the aim of doubling existing investments in private equity to 10%, which could unlock £25 billion by 2030. Does the Economic Secretary agree that the reforms are a welcome step to improve our growth prospects and boost investments?
Minister reply
I absolutely agree with my hon. Friend. The local government pension scheme is a huge opportunity for this country. In many cases, it is already very progressive. It is investing in local opportunities and allocating its capital to the sort of private growth assets that we wish to seek. With £365 billion under management, an increased rate of progress towards asset pooling, which, as the Government have made clear, should attract at least £50 billion, will provide the scale to invest well on behalf of beneficiaries.
Sarah Olney
Lib Dem
Richmond Park
Question
The number of companies listed on the London stock exchange has plummeted to such an extent that the market value of Apple is now greater than the entire FTSE 100. Recently, Cambridge-based chip giant Arm decided to list in New York rather than in London. Does the Minister think that the Mansion House compact will reverse the trend of British-based companies deciding to list elsewhere?
Minister reply
Yes.
Desmond Swayne
Con
New Forest West
Question
This is an excellent package, but one way to ensure that investment flows to productive enterprise is to prevent it from being crowded out by growing Government debt, isn’t it?
Minister reply
Our objectives are threefold in that respect: to bear down on inflation; to reduce Government debt, with the benefits that my right hon. Friend seeks; and to grow the economy. These are long-term plans and ambitious programmes, and ultimately, the acid test will be how we can grow our economy.
Nick Smith
Lab
Blaenau Gwent and Rhymney
Question
The Minister says that he wants the “best possible outcomes” for pension savers. The pensions dashboard, which is designed to help pensioners understand their pension’s performance, was promised by Chancellor George Osborne, but it is still delayed. When will the pensions dashboard be delivered to support UK pensioners?
Minister reply
My hon. Friend the Minister for pensions is proceeding at pace to deliver that important element in people’s ability to access the most information. It is just one component. We want people to have good pension choices and to understand the ways that investments are being made.
Question
I was delighted to attend the Mansion House dinner last night as the Member of Parliament representing the City of London and to listen to excellent speeches by the Lord Mayor and the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Does the Minister agree that the Mansion House compact will do much to secure the City of London’s position as a global powerhouse in the financial services sector and will also create more jobs across the country?
Minister reply
My hon. Friend, who knows so much and speaks so lucidly for Cities of London and Westminster, is absolutely right. These are a bold and ambitious set of reforms. They will not just help communities across the whole of the United Kingdom—but continue to underwrite the strong and leading position of the City of London.
Bill Esterson
Lab
Sefton Central
Question
It is always fascinating to hear Ministers justifying their failure over the last 13 years. The Minister would do well to recognise that business investment is at a record low in this country. One way to address the record low in business investment is to listen to the professional services sector, which says that a mutual recognition agreement with the EU would increase that performance and contribution. Why have the Government made no progress on that mutual recognition agreement?
Minister reply
I am enormously proud of the fact that we have recently reached agreement with all the member nations of the European Union on the memorandum of understanding in respect of financial services.
Christchurch
Question
By how much will today’s announcement reduce the burden of regulation on UK business? I ask that because the Government promised that there would be no net increase in the burden of regulation on business during this Parliament, but so far we are £14.3 billion in the wrong direction.
Minister reply
My hon. Friend may wish to ask that question in due course. With respect to the Secretary of State for Business and Trade, I can only speak for the financial services sector. Today we are publishing documents to repeal 100 elements of retained EU law.
Debbie Abrahams
Lab
Oldham East and Saddleworth
Question
The Minister will be aware that the Bank of England had to intervene in the gilt market after the mini-Budget last September. The hon. Member raises concerns about volatility in the gilt market and asks what risk assessment has been made on the proposed reform, particularly regarding where the burden of risk falls.
Minister reply
The consultation has been published today for feedback, and engagement with the sector is always open. We believe we have a balanced approach to risk. The hon. Lady’s concern about volatility in the gilt market underscores our commitment to not making unfunded spending commitments.
Richard Fuller
Con
North Bedfordshire
Question
The hon. Member welcomes the reforms and asks if the Government will look further at attracting innovators, insurgents, and entrepreneurs to the UK by ensuring that our businesses can work speedily and with clarity in regulatory reform.
Minister reply
Regulatory reform is ongoing to ensure the UK remains globally competitive for investment. The Prime Minister’s vision has already attracted leading technology firms such as OpenAI and Andreessen Horowitz to choose the UK over other countries.
Question
The hon. Member asks what assurances can be given that when the pensions dashboard is launched, it will be mandatory for all providers to participate in it, to avoid it being “half-baked”.
Minister reply
It will indeed be mandatory for all providers and underwritten by legislation. The focus is on ensuring a usable, well-regulated user experience for members.
Question
The hon. Member asks if the reforms announced today would have been possible without Brexit and how much better off constituents will be in retirement.
Minister reply
On average, under new assumptions about the compact, individuals could be up to £1,000 a year better off in retirement. This is thanks to our programme of regulatory reforms which may not have been achieved without the ability to set financial service regulations.
Question
The hon. Member welcomes the Mansion House compact and auto-enrolment pensions delivering a better pension for their scheme members but asks what more can be done to give individual members a choice of which scheme they are enrolled in.
Minister reply
Reforms aim to shift the focus from cost to performance over time, giving agency to individual long-term savers. The pensions Minister is passionate about ensuring a usable journey for pensioners that delivers across their life.
Shadow Comment
Tulip Siddiq
Shadow Comment
The Shadow criticised the statement as insufficient after 13 years of underperformance. She highlighted that UK tech firms like Arm Holdings are listing in New York due to lack of confidence, and pension funds have lower investment in UK assets compared to US counterparts. The Labour Party called for more detail on how to increase domestic capital flow into productive sectors. Siddiq also questioned the lack of urgency and ambition from the Government, particularly regarding green finance and Solvency II reforms, and criticised their handling of the economy last autumn.
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