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Birmingham City Council
19 September 2023
Lead MP
Michael Gove
Debate Type
Ministerial Statement
Tags
Women & EqualitiesParliamentary ProcedureLocal Government
Other Contributors: 22
At a Glance
Michael Gove raised concerns about birmingham city council in the House of Commons. A government minister responded. Other MPs also contributed.
How the Debate Unfolded
MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said:
Government Statement
Mr Deputy Speaker, I would like to make a statement on Birmingham City Council, which has been suffering due to poor leadership and weak governance. On September 5th, the council issued a section 114 notice indicating severe financial distress. As per the Local Government Act 1999, I am proposing intervention by appointing commissioners and launching a local inquiry. This follows an independent review in 2014 that highlighted deep-rooted issues, compounded by recent governance concerns from various sources and significant equal pay liabilities of £760 million plus. The proposed measures include statutory directions to the council for improvement planning within six months under commissioner oversight, aimed at restoring financial stability. I am considering appointing Max Caller as a commissioner with powers to make decisions directly if necessary.
Angela Rayner
Lab
Ashton-under-Lyne
Question
The MP questions whether commissioners will work with Birmingham's elected representatives and leadership. She inquires about a similar approach for other struggling councils, including a deep dive into the issues mentioned.
Minister reply
Minister acknowledges the need to work closely with the council but asserts that commissioners must have necessary mandate to deliver reforms.
Angela Rayner
Lab
Ashton-under-Lyne
Question
The MP criticises the delay in Government action despite known issues and raises concerns about funding cuts over the last decade, attributing financial distress to Conservative policies.
Minister reply
Minister responds by confirming the need for scrutiny when local decision-making is devolved but asserts that actions are taken based on identified risks of potential failure.
Angela Rayner
Lab
Ashton-under-Lyne
Question
The MP questions the Department's work to support other councils facing financial distress and challenges the idea that all failures are due to local governance.
Minister reply
Minister states the Office for Local Government will explore problems in detail with council leaders but does not provide specific details on current work.
Angela Rayner
Lab
Ashton-under-Lyne
Question
The Shadow Minister questioned the Secretary of State on whether the commissioners will work with elected representatives to tackle problems together and inquired if a similar approach would be considered for other struggling councils. She also highlighted that Birmingham’s reserves were stripped away by the government over the last decade, amounting to £1 billion taken from local communities.
Minister reply
The Secretary of State acknowledged the need for tough decisions but reassured that central Government are prepared to extend additional financial support. He emphasised the importance of holding Labour-led administrations accountable while working together across political traditions.
Question
Welcoming the decisive action, he asked for assurance that neighbouring authorities like Dudley and Sandwell will not bear the cost of Birmingham's failure, and enquired about the impact on transport infrastructure and employment projects.
Minister reply
The Secretary of State confirmed that council tax payers elsewhere should not be on the hook for Birmingham’s failures. He committed to extending financial support but emphasised the need for tough decisions by commissioners.
Clive Betts
Lab
Sheffield South East
Question
The MP inquired about councils at risk of section 114 notices and asked how many are now on the brink. He highlighted that some non-Labour controlled councils also faced issues.
Minister reply
Responding to questions, the Secretary of State noted the mismanagement under Labour leadership but acknowledged the need for accountability across all parties. He committed to continuing support for local government finance and effective oversight.
Question
She asked how this review in Birmingham would differ from past reviews, aiming to learn lessons from repeated failures by Labour administrations.
Minister reply
The Secretary of State emphasised the need for a deepened inquiry into governance issues over the last 11 years under Labour leadership. He acknowledged previous Conservative-Liberal Democrat mismanagement but pointed out that current problems stem largely from recent Labour administrations.
Steve McCabe
Lab
Birmingham Selly Oak
Question
Asked two questions of the Secretary of State: When will he announce who else he plans to appoint as commissioners? Will these commissioners have powers over council tax and asset sales?
Minister reply
He is glad that Max Caller has agreed to be lead commissioner but wants to hear from Birmingham’s MPs before finalising other appointments. It is too soon to say if commissioners will have power to raise council tax or sell assets, but such measures may be necessary in extreme circumstances.
Saqib Bhatti
Con
Meriden and Solihull East
Question
Acknowledged the disappointment over Birmingham's political failure while highlighting the city's economic success under Andy Street’s leadership. Asked if Solihull Council would be unaffected.
Minister reply
Agreed that Birmingham has many strengths, praised its economic achievements and Andy Street's leadership, assured that there should be no adverse impact on residents in Solihull.
Jess Phillips
Lab
Birmingham Yardley
Question
Asked how the commissioners will work and whether citizens of Birmingham will have any input or oversight over decisions made by them. Questioned the Secretary's praise for Andy Street and asked about the past 10 years' council issues.
Minister reply
Acknowledged Max Caller's experience, open to cooperation from Birmingham MPs on identifying other commissioners. Noted individual councils’ management issues and praised some well-run Labour councils.
Jane Stevenson
Con
Wolverhampton South-West
Question
Asked for reassurance that Wolverhampton will not be impacted by the situation in Birmingham through West Midlands Combined Authority. Raised concerns about spending on trade union facility time.
Minister reply
Thanked her for her work and noted consistent failures in dealing with employee relations and trade unions in Birmingham.
Birmingham Erdington
Question
Expressed concern about the financial struggles of councils, raised issues with cuts and funding certainty. Asked for reassurance that every local council will be properly funded by central Government.
Minister reply
Acknowledged the need to fund councils appropriately but criticised Birmingham City Council's leadership for their failures.
Andy Carter
Con
Warrington South
Question
Asked about concerns over Warrington Borough Council’s governance and financial health, citing high borrowings. Inquired about steps to prevent another collapse.
Minister reply
Acknowledged concerns raised and stated that the Department is paying attention and will report back on the situation in Warrington.
Khalid Mahmood
Lab
Birmingham Perry Barr
Question
Suggested bringing back the district auditor function based on findings from the Bob Kerslake report to address officer issues. Asked if this could improve financial clarity.
Minister reply
Agreed with John Cotton’s and the need for improvement, acknowledged the need to improve audit functions within local government overall.
Thurrock
Question
The problems we face in Thurrock have emerged over the past 10 years, during a decade in which Thurrock has been dominated by three-party politics and a succession of minority administrations in which the UK Independence party held the balance of power. Being brutally frank, it was impossible to make financial cuts or to increase council tax, which has led us to our current situation. In the light of the best value inspection, which found that the position had been exacerbated by annual elections and constant electioneering, will my right hon. Friend consider whether those lessons need to be read across local government? I remind him that, going back as far as 2019, previous Ministers, the Chartered Institute of Public Finance and Accountancy and the National Audit Office all warned Thurrock of the recklessness of its policy, yet councillors and officers failed to act. Do we need to consider statutory powers for a sanction in those circumstances?
Minister reply
My hon. Friend makes a series of very helpful points, and she is right. Obviously, it is not my role or responsibility at this time to interfere in the calendar of elections that local government has enjoyed, acquired or inherited over the years, but I agree that, wherever possible, we should move away from annual elections. Indeed, the work to change the electoral geography and timings in Liverpool has been helpful. She is also right that the particular political dynamic in Thurrock created difficulties, and how we hold people to account in future needs to be reviewed. My hon. Friend has been a consistent voice in challenging underperformance at Thurrock Council, and a brave voice in attempting to face down populism in her constituency, in order to do the very best for her constituents.
Preet Kaur Gill
Lab Co-op
Birmingham Edgbaston
Question
The situation facing Birmingham City Council is very serious, and those responsible should be held to account. None the less, we know Birmingham is not unique. Many councils across the country, as we have heard, are entering section 114 territory. According to reports, the Secretary of State’s local council in Surrey Heath could go bankrupt within two years. What assessment has he made of the financial situation facing councils and of the impact of the £1 billion stripped from Birmingham City Council’s budget by the Government?
Minister reply
The overall health of local government matters hugely, and the financial health of local government matters hugely. That is why we are bringing forward the new Office for Local Government. I think the hon. Lady and I will have to agree to disagree on the root cause of the problem in Birmingham. As I said earlier, Birmingham’s core spending power has increased significantly, and other local authorities that have not seen their core spending power increase by the same amount are managing their finances effectively, but I hope we can work together to ensure that, wherever responsibility has lain in the past—we may disagree on that—we can serve the people of Edgbaston and all of Birmingham better in future.
Question
Labour-run Blackpool Council currently has a budget deficit of more than £23 million, which is one of the largest in the country compared with its revenue budget. Despite this, the council continues to fritter away taxpayers’ money, not least in spending £174,000 on six trees and in giving councillors a pay rise. To ensure its financial position does not deteriorate further, will the Secretary of State join me in urging the council to get the basics right, to end its pursuit of ideologically driven projects that are not supported by residents and to end all wasteful spending immediately?
Minister reply
I love Blackpool and I love trees, but £174,000 for six trees is £29,000 a tree. Some trees they must have in Blackpool. More seriously, the local authority faces challenges, but Blackpool’s two Members have been very successful in securing additional central Government expenditure to help to regenerate the centre of Blackpool and to secure new investment. Whatever views one might take of Blackpool Council—and it does seem as if it is paying slightly more for its trees than it could have paid in most garden centres—central Government have nevertheless shown how partnership and levelling up can secure real change.
Liam Byrne
Lab
Birmingham Hodge Hill and Solihull North
Question
I am grateful to the Secretary of State for the offer to work together, and that offer has been welcomed by Councillor John Cotton this afternoon. Can the Secretary of State tell us whether we can find a way to have a conversation about fair funding? He is a student of Tory leadership campaigns and, like us, he probably winced when he heard the Prime Minister say to one campaign meeting: “we inherited a bunch of formulas from the Labour Party that shoved all the funding into deprived urban areas…that needed to be undone. I started the work of undoing that.” The truth is that richer councils have taken cuts of about £44 per head since 2010, whereas Birmingham City Council has taken cuts of 14 times that amount. There is a conversation to be had about funding, and I am grateful that the Secretary of State is considering one way to fix it, by creating a levelling-up zone and investment zones in east Birmingham, on land between the two High Speed 2 stations. Can the Secretary of State confirm that those plans will still go ahead? Has he considered creating a development corporation in east Birmingham, for which I have argued for a long time, to lever in significantly larger amounts of money? Can we have a conversation about how we support the combined authority, too? As he will know, Andy Street’s budget faces a gap of £29 million next year, rising to £50 million in a couple of years’ time, and currently there is a £1.1 billion black hole between the investment programme and the funds available to pay for it.
Minister reply
I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for his very thoughtful question. Although we might disagree politically and have different reflections on what may have been said in the past, he is absolutely right that we need to explore a development corporation and that east Birmingham, in particular, needs additional investment. He is also right that we need to work with the West Midlands Combined Authority. The recent trailblazer devolution deal gave significant additional support to the West Midlands Combined Authority and the Mayor, but we keep what is required under constant review. The right hon. Gentleman is also right that Birmingham’s economic health powers the whole west midlands and is vital to our overall success as a nation, which is why I want to make sure that we get back to strong leadership and effective governance in Birmingham.
Meg Hillier
Lab Co-op
Hackney South and Shoreditch
Question
I welcome the appointment of Max Caller, who has a strong track record of making these difficult decisions and helping councils to turn around, but the Secretary of State will know that task and finish was a big part of what happened in Birmingham. Does he have oversight of which other councils are still doing that? Nearly 30 years ago, at Islington Council, we were looking at those issues and tackling them. The big issue here—the elephant in the room—is local audit. Some 12% of audit opinions for the 2021-22 financial year have come in, even with the extended deadline. The permanent secretary and the National Audit Office have indicated that we need to focus on the current year and to forget previous years, but these canaries in the mine, these warning signs, were never heard because of the dire state of local audit. This has all been on his Government’s watch. Can he give us any reassurance that he really has a plan to get local audit back on track?
Minister reply
First, I thank the hon. Lady for her kind words about Max Caller. He is a first-class professional, and I know he will do an excellent job with the other commissioners. Secondly, I think it is fair to say—I do not want to make a party political point—that the local audit situation requires both investment and leadership. One of the first things I sought to do when I arrived in the Department was to ensure that the Office for Local Government can play a system leadership role in helping to reform and improve that process. I completely agree with the hon. Lady on that. The hon. Lady’s central point was about task and finish, which some Members may think sounds like a good thing. A task and finish group is a team that sets out to resolve a problem and dissolves itself when the problem is finished. It seems to be the model of what we should have in administration: not a permanent bureaucracy, but a taskforce. However, task and finish in Birmingham, and indeed in some other local authorities, has basically meant the binmen—the scaffies, as we would say in Scotland—knocking off early as soon as they had claimed that they had finished their task and yet claiming for their full working day. Again, it is not an effective way to run any public service.
Wera Hobhouse
Lib Dem
Bath
Question
Councils across the country are struggling under severe financial constraint and there is no doubt that local government is badly underfunded. However, I want to commend my Bath & North East Somerset Council for having shown great prudence in order to rebuild its finances, and I hope the Secretary of State will join me in praising it. The reform of the audit system has been mentioned, but may I ask him: what timeline can we expect for a reform of that system? When does he think the backlog of unpublished opinions will be cleared?
Minister reply
I am grateful to the hon. Lady for that and I had the great privilege of visiting Bath recently to look at a housing development. Just as some Labour councils are good, I believe there are one or two Liberal Democrat councils that are good, although I certainly shall not be naming them at this Dispatch Box now. More broadly, we are taking steps to deal with the audit situation she mentions and my hon. Friend the local government Minister can brief her in detail, should she wish, about that situation.
Rachel Hopkins
Lab
Luton South and South Bedfordshire
Question
The Secretary of State mentioned core spending power, so it is important to reflect on the first 10 years of this Conservative Government, when 60p in every pound was stripped away from local authorities. The Government then forced councils to rely on council tax as central Government funding was reduced. Places such as Birmingham and Luton can raise much less from council tax, because of their smaller housing stock, than wealthier areas, which have bigger houses in higher council tax bands. Places such as Birmingham and Luton therefore lose out every year. Was his policy just a result of incompetence or is it part of the Prime Minister’s stated aim to take funding from deprived urban areas and give it to wealthier towns?
Minister reply
I do not know how it is possible to sustain an argument that we are taking funding from deprived areas when one looks at the levelling-up partnerships we have in Hull, Sandwell, Blackpool, Blyth, Worksop—[Interruption.] A tiny amount? Tell that also to the people in Middlesbrough, Redcar and Cleveland, who have benefited from strong Conservative leadership and investment. Tell it to the people in Workington, Walsall and Willenhall. All of them have benefited directly from the levelling-up funding that this Government have secured. Were there tough times in the first couple of years after 2010? Yes. Why were there tough times? It was because Labour had left us in a situation where there was no money left. I am afraid that the lesson of Labour in central Government is that it always leaves office with unemployment higher than when it entered and with the public finances devastated.
Shadow Comment
Angela Rayner
Shadow Comment
I welcome the comments on action and support for Birmingham but demand assurances that commissioners will work with elected representatives. I question why no support was given until a section 114 notice was issued despite governance issues since 2014. The Labour Party highlights severe cuts to local government funding over the last decade and warns of more financial distress across councils, urging the Government to take responsibility for these crises.
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