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West Coast Main Line Franchise
19 September 2023
Lead MP
Jesse Norman
Debate Type
Ministerial Statement
Tags
EconomyTransportScotlandForeign AffairsStandards & Ethics
Other Contributors: 18
At a Glance
Jesse Norman raised concerns about west coast main line franchise in the House of Commons. A government minister responded. Other MPs also contributed.
How the Debate Unfolded
MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said:
Government Statement
The Minister of State, the hon. Member for Bexhill and Battle (Huw Merriman), continues to represent His Majesty’s Government today in Poland to support UK train companies at a major international trade fair. The Department has awarded First Trenitalia a new national rail contract to continue operating west coast train services as Avanti West Coast, with a core term of three years and a maximum possible term of nine years. Performance improvements since December 2022 have been significant: cancellations fell from 13% in January 2023 to 1.1% in July 2023; over 90% of trains now arrive within 15 minutes of their scheduled time; and over 100 additional drivers have been trained since April 2022.
Gavin Newlands
SNP
Paisley and Renfrewshire North
Question
Asks for transparency regarding contract criteria, engagement with unions and Scottish Government, alternatives considered, and whether it's time to put railways back into public sector.
Minister reply
Declines detailed discussion on commercial matters but reassures that Minister of State has been working closely with industry. Acknowledges performance improvements: cancellations at 1.1% in July; 90% trains arrive within 15 minutes; over 100 additional drivers trained since April 2022.
Iain Stewart
Con
Milton Keynes South
Question
As a regular user of Avanti services, agrees with performance improvements and asks about extent to which this new contract moves away from micromanaged national rail contracts that have been in place since covid.
Minister reply
Acknowledges the move towards longer-term framework: three-year contract but capacity to terminate thereafter if performance is not sustained. Focuses on balance between certainty for Avanti and accountability demanded by Government.
Stephen Morgan
Lab
Portsmouth South
Question
For the second time in two days, the Government have been dragged to explain the rail network. The Minister has confirmed that passengers could suffer up to nine more years of Avanti West Coast and eight more years of CrossCountry. What performance metrics were considered when the Government made these decisions? Did the Government consider the operator of last resort? Is their plan really to allow for another decade of failure under the Tories?
Minister reply
Far from being dragged to the House, the Government published a written ministerial statement and press release this morning. Cancellation rates have been as low as 1.1% in July with over 90% of trains arriving within 15 minutes. The new contract aims at stability for investment in betterment of travellers. Labour's proposal for nationalisation lacks budgetary implications or justification.
Greg Smith
Con
Mid Buckinghamshire
Question
Does the Minister accept that failures of Avanti have led to consumers voting with their feet, resulting in overcrowding on other lines such as Chiltern? What reassurance can he give that there are incentives for Avanti to win back trust?
Minister reply
The new team at Avanti recognises and accepts the commercial challenge of wooing back customers. They acknowledge this is a vital commercial challenge and it’s in everyone's interest to improve customer experience.
Question
Is this contract awarded on the basis that it is less crap than before? Avanti was second worst performing operator with 48% of trains running on time. Is this ideologically driven and a nonsense?
Minister reply
Progress has been made, although improvements are necessary. The judgment to award a longer-term contract aims at stability for investment in betterment of travellers.
Question
The decision will be badly received in north Wales where passengers have endured substandard service from Avanti. Will the Government guarantee they will cancel Avanti’s contract if it fails again?
Minister reply
Problems may lie at the network level, but the Department remains focused on holding Avanti accountable for delivering and improving services.
Question
Once again, Transport Ministers cannot find friends on their Benches. Will the Government guarantee cancellation of Avanti’s contract if it fails again?
Minister reply
After an initial period allowing for necessary investment in improvement, there is a recurring three-month capacity to call in the contract as required.
Question
Improvements in punctuality and reliability have been welcome. Can the Minister raise issues of ongoing capacity problems at Preston station with departmental colleagues?
Minister reply
Government are focused on considering points raised. The introduction of more fleet, including Hitachi trains, is expected to provide sustained improvement.
Bury South
Question
Yes, the service has improved but from such a low level and it's still woeful. Does the Minister truly believe this is good for passengers?
Minister reply
The Government stand behind this decision made with care and attention to detail.
Question
Holyhead, the second busiest roll-on roll-off port in UK, needs reliable service from Holyhead to Euston. How will Ministers ensure this?
Minister reply
By providing a contractual framework for more investment; bringing on 100 more drivers; recognising scope for further improvement; and by improvements in rolling stock.
Warrington North
Question
Data shows that the number of trains cancelled across the rail network continues to rise and is at the highest level since records began in 2014. The Minister keeps referring to July’s figures, knowing full well just how bad August’s are—in fact, statistics show that trains in Ukraine are running more reliably than our services here, despite that country’s network clearly being under considerably greater pressure. These problems do not stop with Avanti: persistent issues on the west coast main line have a knock-on impact on any east-west services crossing that line. When will the Minister accept that the current system is simply not working?
Minister reply
The hon. Lady is absolutely right that there are knock-on effects and that some of those effects bear on east-west services. That is one of the reasons that the Department has separately announced and negotiated a national rail contract for CrossCountry as a rail operator, in order to provide a framework for stable further investment in those knock-on services.
Preet Kaur Gill
Lab Co-op
Birmingham Edgbaston
Question
I declare an interest as a long-suffering user of the Avanti service on the west coast main line. In 2021-22, Avanti had the most customer complaints of any operator and it is consistently rated one of the worst-performing operators on the rail network. Despite that, Ministers spent an eye-watering £4 million of taxpayers’ money in bonuses to company executives for customer experience and acting as a good operator. Can the Minister explain when it became Government policy to reward failure?
Minister reply
The hon. Lady is deliberately drawing on statistics from before the recent improvements that the Government are recognising in this contract award. However, there is a further point: it is of course right to raise individual items, but we ought to get away from a situation in which politicians feel that they can micromanage and second-guess decisions made by people at the operating level. The key thing is to make sure that the quality of management is in place to drive continued, sustained improvement, as we expect it now is with the new chief executive, Mr Mellors.
Jeff Smith
Lab
Manchester Withington
Question
As a regular user, I recognise that the Avanti service has improved in recent months—although frankly, it would have been hard for it to get much worse—but given the sustained poor performance in the past and the August performance figures we have just heard about, this contract award feels very premature. Would it not have been better to wait and ensure that we see proven, sustained improvement from Avanti before awarding such a long contract?
Minister reply
Of course, a variety of considerations sit around any contract award. The attraction of this one is that it allows the most rapid possible progress on fleet improvements and support for the new management team that might be expected. As the hon. Gentleman would imagine, the Secretary of State has spent a considerable amount of time talking to the new management to make sure that they really are focused on improvement, and to hear in detail what their plan for that improvement is. The award was made in part on that basis.
Justin Madders
Lab
Ellesmere Port and Bromborough
Question
This decision is as embarrassing as it is baffling. The Minister talks about improvements, but my constituents have not seen those improvements. He talks about reducing the number of cancellations: with Avanti having cancelled half of the services from Chester directly to London, that will obviously reduce the number of cancellations. Yesterday, for example, Avanti started a train from Crewe rather than from Chester. That presumably does not count as a cancellation, but that is absolutely no consolation to someone in Chester. It seems to me that the Government know that the companies are playing with the figures and are prepared to accept a second-class service for the people of the north.
Minister reply
I understand the hon. Gentleman’s concern. It is fair to say that, from day to day, there are different issues that interrupt a good service. As I have already said, those relate not just to the availability of drivers and other key staff, but to underperformance from time to time and disruption to Network Rail infrastructure. All of those things can play their role in a highly integrated network.
Samantha Dixon
Lab
Chester North and Neston
Question
The right hon. Member for Clwyd West (Mr Jones) and I have worked for many years on the issues surrounding rail connectivity covering Chester and north Wales and, since I arrived in this House in December, I have not seen any improvement. The Minister talked about micromanaging situations, but the reality is that the Government do not seem to have understood what happened to Chester and north Wales during the summer. As the right hon. Member said, the decision was taken to cancel through trains, which fundamentally affected tourism and the visitor economy, not just for Chester but across north Wales. To be honest, that smacks of gaming the figures, and my constituents and residents across north Wales are absolutely staggered that this contract has been re-awarded to Avanti West Coast. I simply do not understand that. This is so business-critical and important to local residents and there has been a failure to take into account the realities of travelling across Cheshire and north Wales.
Minister reply
The hon. Lady did not ask a question, but I understood every word of her speech. Since she is new to the House, she might want to have a conversation directly with the rail Minister about this: he is highly engaged on these issues, as colleagues across the Chamber will know. If she has not seen any improvement in relation to her constituency, at least she has the satisfaction of knowing that improvements have been recognised around the House.
Wera Hobhouse
Lib Dem
Bath
Question
The Government have ensured the immediate future of Avanti West Coast, but the same cannot be said for Great British Railways, which has an office but no powers. We urgently need a body to provide oversight and accountability to fix Britain’s broken railways. The Government are in favour of that, so can the Minister confirm that legislation to create Great British Railways will be announced in the King’s Speech?
Minister reply
I thank the hon. Lady for her tempting invitation, but I am not going to second-guess His Majesty on what he will announce in the King’s Speech. What I can say is that this is a topic of great interest to the Government and, as she will know, the Department is making considerable progress in the non-legislative mode that we are in at the moment to achieve many of the goals we all share.
Question
Avanti manufacturing director, Andy Mellors, told the Transport Committee that Avanti would be cutting staff at Glasgow Central station by more than a third and closing its ticket office. Why does a company that delivers such a poor and expensive service, and that holds its customers in such contempt, deserve to have its contract renewed, potentially for almost a decade?
Minister reply
What I recall from that hearing is that Mr Mellors said 1% of the tickets at Glasgow were sold through the ticket office, that there would be a full staff in front of the ticket office, that those staff would work from the first train in the morning until the last train at the end of the day and that they would continue to accept cash. That sounds like quite a good service offer to me.
Shadow Comment
Gavin Newlands
Shadow Comment
Criticises the Department's decision to award a long-term contract up to nine years for Avanti West Coast, despite performance improvements not equalling full timetable operation. Questions transparency of criteria, engagement with unions and Scottish Government, and considers alternatives like operator of last resort. Suggests time to follow Scotland’s lead in putting railways back into the public sector.
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