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Infected Blood Inquiry
23 April 2024
Lead MP
John Glen
Debate Type
Ministerial Statement
Tags
Employment
Other Contributors: 25
At a Glance
John Glen raised concerns about infected blood inquiry in the House of Commons. A government minister responded. Other MPs also contributed.
How the Debate Unfolded
MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said:
Government Statement
The minister acknowledged the suffering caused by the infected blood scandal and highlighted the establishment of an independent public statutory inquiry in 2017. He mentioned that the final report is due on 20 May, with the Government committed to providing an oral statement within 25 sitting days after its publication. The Minister also discussed appointing an expert group for compensation advice, tabling amendments in January to establish a compensation scheme and a new arm’s length body named the Infected Blood Compensation Authority. Over £400 million has been paid as interim compensation since October 2022, with additional provisions for estates of deceased individuals.
Diana R. Johnson
Lab
Kingston upon Hull North and Cottingham
Question
We know that more than 3,000 people have already died in the worst treatment disaster in the history of the NHS. Another 680 have died since the public inquiry started in 2018. With two people dying on average every week, 100 people have died since Sir Brian made his final recommendations on paying compensation in April 2023. He said that “wrongs were done at individual, collective and systemic levels.” He also said that in all conscience he could not wait until his final report was published to tell the Government to start paying compensation. Last week, Hugh Pym of the BBC produced shocking evidence about children, even babies, being experimented on in the 1970s and 1980s without their parents’ consent. These disturbing revelations raise serious criminal and ethical issues for the NHS and the medical profession. There are possible breaches of the 1947 Nuremberg code. Alongside that, The Sunday Times, and Caroline Wheeler, in particular launched a campaign at the weekend for compensation to be paid now to those infected and affected by the contaminated blood scandal. So far, more than 160 MPs have backed the campaign, and 10 parties are represented, including six leaders. Last week, the Government finally laid those amendments to the Victims and Prisoners Bill in the other place after this House forced the Government to act in December last year. This weekend, Ministers confirmed that even when Sir Brian produces his final report on 20 May, the Government may not respond until as late as 3 July 2024. Meanwhile, there has been no announcement on compensation funding or on any compensation scheme, despite the Government having accepted the moral case for compensation. What action are the Government taking following last week’s BBC story on the experiments on children? When will Sir Brian’s recommendations on compensation be implemented in full? On what date will payments be made to those infected and affected? Why have the interim payments not been made, as Sir Brian recommended last April? How will those infected and affected be involved in the whole scheme? Why are Ministers rejecting the three-month timeframe for setting up a compensation body that this House agreed to in December last year, and Sir Brian’s recommendation that it should be judge-led? On all sides of the House, Members know that when people are dying, justice delayed is justice denied. The time to act is now.
Minister reply
The Minister thanked Diana R. Johnson for her questions and acknowledged her work on behalf of affected communities since he took office in November 2023. He stated his intention to meet with Chairs from all parties to update them regularly on progress. The Government will wait for Sir Brian Langstaff's final report due on 20 May before responding, but are doing everything possible to address compensation issues as quickly as possible. Over £400 million has been paid out in interim compensation since October 2022, and there is a statutory duty to make interim payments of £100,000 to the estates of deceased individuals. He aims to establish an arm’s length body as operational as soon as legally feasible, with no ruling out the possibility of a judge-led body if it gains confidence among affected communities.
Peter Bottomley
Con
Bognor Regis and Littlehampton
Question
The MP paid tribute to Dame Diana Johnson's work on the issue. He asked about registering for compensation, involvement of different departments, and when victims can expect their names to be registered.
Minister reply
The minister thanked Peter Bottomley for his long-standing commitment to the cause. He confirmed that £100,000 payments would be expedited for estates of deceased infected individuals, while work on broader compensation continues until 20 May.
Nia Griffith
Lab
Llanelli
Question
The MP congratulated the right hon. Member for Kingston upon Hull North and highlighted the need for urgent action due to high mortality rates among victims. She criticised the Government’s amendment tabled last week, which could delay compensation.
Minister reply
The minister acknowledged Nia Griffith's concerns and explained that his recent amendments were dependent on Royal Assent and would expedite the establishment of a compensation body once granted.
Question
When will those affected be able to start applying for compensation?
Minister reply
The minister replied that affected individuals could apply for £100,000 payments immediately. He emphasised that the full compensation scheme would depend on ongoing work across Whitehall and aims to bring it forward as quickly as possible after 20 May.
Question
The MP paid tribute to those campaigning for years, including victims' parents who felt responsible. She asked when all infected individuals would receive compensation and an apology from the Government.
Minister reply
The minister reassured Alison Thewliss that he is working quickly to bring forward compensation plans while ensuring clear communication with affected communities.
Question
The MP pushed for urgency in delivering the Langstaff recommendations and acknowledged the Minister's efforts, urging him to balance speed with getting it right.
Minister reply
The minister thanked Matthew Hancock for his support and reiterated his commitment to both expediting compensation and ensuring that the response is well-considered.
Birmingham Erdington
Question
A constituent of Paulette Hamilton’s believes the Government is delaying compensation for victims, asking if this is true.
Minister reply
The minister acknowledged past delays but emphasised his commitment to delivering comprehensive compensation since November and reiterated that the House of Lords amendment establishes a legal duty to pay compensation.
Julian Lewis
Con
New Forest East
Question
The MP asked how many people are still living who were infected, how many applied for interim payments, and what proportion received them. He requested the Minister write back with specific figures.
Minister reply
The minister agreed to provide detailed information on Julian Lewis' questions in writing.
Wendy Chamberlain
Lib Dem
North East Fife
Question
Congratulates the right hon. Member for Kingston upon Hull North on her work to date and highlights the stigma faced by HIV-infected individuals; asks about interim payments for those affected, seeking clarity on the process.
Minister reply
Agrees with the stigma issue; explains that statutory duty will be carried out through existing schemes, focusing on deceased persons' estates rather than dividing among family members to avoid delay. Urgent work ongoing to clarify registration and payment processes.
Question
Asks about the reasoning behind giving payments to deceased people’s estates instead of named individuals; seeks assurance that compensation will go quickly to correct recipients.
Minister reply
Explains challenge in registering unregistered cohorts who were part of non-existent schemes; working on practical issues with officials to expedite process and reach best solution.
Clive Efford
Lab
Eltham
Question
Highlights the testimonies from Treloar’s school pupils and asks why compensation has been delayed since the interim report; questions what more the Government needs to know.
Minister reply
Explains challenge in translating recommendations into numbers, quantifying payments across different losses; work ongoing for substantive response post-final report publication.
Question
Presents a petition on behalf of his constituent Andrew Evans, urging the Minister to meet with groups like Tainted Blood and ensure clear communication.
Minister reply
Thankful for the support; letters sent yesterday evening to set up meetings with charities, organisations, and support groups before 20 May.
Question
Critiques delays in compensation and urges for change in speed and urgency; highlights that two people die each week due to the scandal.
Minister reply
Acknowledges urgency, doing everything possible to move forward quickly; agrees on the need for speed.
Andrew Gwynne
Ind
Gorton
Question
Compliments efforts but seeks a clear timeline for compensation applications and payments as recommended by Sir Brian Langstaff.
Minister reply
Acknowledges frustration, working across Government to finalise decisions; aims to make progress operationalised post-final determination.
Pete Wishart
SNP
Perth and Kinross-shire
Question
Asks for a clear timeline regarding when compensation applications can be made and payments will be issued.
Minister reply
Acknowledges the need for detailed answers but explains complexities; working to minimise delay post-final determination.
Kerry McCarthy
Lab
Bristol East
Question
Discusses the painful testimonies from Treloar School pupils and asks about clear communication with affected families.
Minister reply
Engaging prominent charities, organisations, and support groups; respecting trauma while seeking views to inform government response.
Question
Does the Minister recognise that many people feel that the state, with all its delays in delivering justice to the victims of this scandal and their families, has utterly failed to recognise adequately the egregious harm that has been inflicted and continues to be inflicted on those impacted, leaving tens of thousands of victims and their families in great suffering as they continue to wait for compensation?
Minister reply
Yes, I recognise that all delays are painful and frustrating and cause distress. That is why I am doing everything I can to move this forward as quickly as I can. I hope to come up with a comprehensive response on behalf of all those who have lost their lives and the families who have been ruined by this scandal within weeks.
Grahame Morris
Lab
Easington
Question
May I also give my thanks to my right hon. Friend the Member for Kingston upon Hull North (Dame Diana Johnson) for securing this urgent question? It gives me the opportunity to raise the case of my constituent Mark Fox, who contracted hepatitis C from infected blood when he was given a transfusion at four years old and received contaminated factor VIII for his haemophilia. He has been living with health consequences for over 40 years and is seeking either interim payment or full and fair compensation.
Minister reply
I thank the hon. Gentleman for his heartfelt representation on behalf of his constituent Mark Fox, and I am sincerely sorry for what he has experienced. Although a definitive timetable cannot be provided today, I will do everything I can to bring clarity to all groups involved after or soon after the publication of this final report.
Question
It has been seven years and we have had four Prime Ministers since this public inquiry was set up, and there have been many decades waited before then. Surely the Minister will agree that the stories of children being impacted are tantamount to state-sponsored abuse—abuse similar to that suffered by my constituents Linda Cannon and Vera Gaskin. When will the victims get compensation and justice? It is not good enough.
Minister reply
I very much recognise what the hon. Lady is saying with respect to the impact of time on suffering, and I want to bring this forward as quickly as I can. Professor Sir Jonathan Montgomery and his team are helping with operationalising the recommendations, and we hope that in a few weeks’ time we will be able to make a substantive assertion of the Government’s position.
Debbie Abrahams
Lab
Oldham East and Saddleworth
Question
I too am speaking on behalf of a constituent who lost a brother, sister-in-law, and whose nephew was left to be brought up by the family. I want to raise the urgency of this issue. If this was a priority for the Government, it would have been done in that year since Sir Brian Langstaff’s report last April 2023. Where is the block?
Minister reply
There is not a block. Last year, there was a process of looking at how we could work out the costs and operationalise the recommendations. Professor Sir Jonathan Montgomery and his team are helping with that. We hope to be able to make a clear assessment of what we are going to do in a matter of weeks.
Question
Building trust and confidence requires the support of the infected and affected community. Can the Minister confirm that the independent body’s executive will include representation from infected and affected people’s groups who can make decisions on processes, eligibility, and decision making in order to build trust and confidence?
Minister reply
I thank the hon. Gentleman for his question and for his engagement with me last week as one of the co-chairs of the APPG. I am reflecting carefully on what it takes to satisfy the recommendation to have a body independent of Government while also securing as much authority and confidence among the different communities involved as possible.
Warrington North
Question
My caseworker Paula was left bereaved as a teenager after her father was killed by HIV and hepatitis from infected blood products. She has suffered enormously since, including being bullied at school as a result of the stigma around HIV. Despite Sir Brian Langstaff’s inquiry recommending that children who lost parents should be awarded interim compensation last April 2023, she has yet to receive a penny. How much longer will the Government keep victims such as Paula waiting?
Minister reply
I very much hope that we will be able to make a clear assessment of what we are going to do in a matter of weeks. We owe it to all the victims and their families to depict for each different group, including some going back 40 or 50 years, what the process will be going forward.
Question
Does the Minister think that the Prime Minister and senior Ministers will be attending the launch of the report on 20 May?
Minister reply
I do not know. I have not had those conversations yet. If a representative of the Government is asked to be there, I am absolutely sure that that will be the case.
Jim Shannon
DUP
Strangford
Question
Does he not agree that reading some of the information supplied by the BBC feels more like reading about a national regime’s atrocities than reading about action by our own healthcare professionals in the 1980s? It is quite distressing. How does the Minister believe that we can ever restore confidence in a process and procedures that allowed this to happen, and what assurances can the general public have that it could never happen again?
Minister reply
When Sir Brian Langstaff publishes his report, that will be the time for a response from the Government on the wider implications of what went on. We may see some elements in recent days, but I want to ensure that the Government respond authoritatively and fully when the moment of publication comes.
Shadow Comment
Diana R. Johnson
Shadow Comment
The shadow criticises the Government's delayed response to Sir Brian Langstaff's recommendations on compensation, noting that more than 3,000 people have died due to infected blood, with another 680 deaths since the public inquiry started in 2018. She raises concerns about experiments on children without parental consent and calls for immediate action based on Sir Brian’s findings. The shadow questions the lack of announcement regarding compensation funding or scheme implementation and urges for a judge-led body as recommended by Sir Brian.
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