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Social Security Advisory Committee: Winter Fuel Payment
12 November 2024
Lead MP
Emma Reynolds
Debate Type
Ministerial Statement
Tags
NHS
Other Contributors: 17
At a Glance
Emma Reynolds raised concerns about social security advisory committee: winter fuel payment in the House of Commons. A government minister responded. Other MPs also contributed.
How the Debate Unfolded
MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said:
Government Statement
The minister welcomed a letter from the chair of the Social Security Advisory Committee and announced an unexpected delay in responding to it. She highlighted the necessity of invoking urgency due to a £22 billion black hole left by the previous government, requiring difficult decisions such as means-testing winter fuel payments. The Government increased pension credit uptake, injected £22.6 billion into NHS spending, and extended the Household Support Fund until March 2026. They emphasised their commitment to the triple lock on state pensions, expecting a rise of up to £470 next year for more than 12 million recipients.
Helen Whately
Con
Faversham and Mid Kent
Question
Why has there been no response from the Government regarding the concerns raised by their advisory committee over the impact of means-testing winter fuel payments?
Minister reply
The minister apologised for the delay, explaining that they were waiting for OBR costings and faced an unexpected delay. She confirmed that a full response would be issued by the end of the week.
Richard Burgon
Lab
Leeds East
Question
Considering the 0.1% saving from cutting winter fuel allowances, could the Government rethink this measure in light of the Labour Budget's advances?
Minister reply
The minister highlighted that £1.4 billion savings were expected through means-testing and emphasised it as a necessary step to tackle fiscal challenges.
Steve Darling
Lib Dem
Torbay
Question
Given the unexpected delays, would the Minister consider extending the deadline for pensioners to claim allowance beyond 21 December?
Minister reply
The minister could not commit to extending the deadline but encouraged pensioners to check eligibility and highlighted that claims can be backdated by three months.
Clive Efford
Lab
Eltham and Chislehurst
Question
The advisory committee made several recommendations related to getting assistance to people who should be in receipt of pension credit. Could the Minister indicate whether the Government intend to accept those recommendations?
Minister reply
We are deploying an additional 500 staff to deal with the substantial increase—over 150%—in claims. That is the right thing to do. It is an operational focus for the Department to get through those claims as quickly as possible, to make sure that we get the help to those most in need.
Alison Griffiths
Con
Bognor Regis and Littlehampton
Question
The Social Security Advisory Committee estimated that more than 70% of people with a disability will lose their winter fuel payment this year. Does the hon. Lady really think that cutting benefits from this vulnerable group of pensioners is the right thing to do?
Minister reply
If the hon. Lady looks at the equality analysis, she will see that those with a disability will be disproportionately likely to retain the winter fuel payment. I urge her to have a look at that.
Andy McDonald
Lab
Middlesbrough and Thornaby East
Question
I thank my hon. Friend for her response to the urgent question. We had a Budget that did so much good for our country in the face of the most dreadful inheritance, and the Labour Government should be congratulated on that. But pensioners in Middlesbrough and Thornaby East are still looking to the Government to further mitigate the impact of the cut to the winter fuel payment. Much has been done by the elected Mayor Chris Cooke to embrace the issues around the household support fund and so on, but the Social Security Advisory Committee noted that the £1.4 billion was based on an increase of only 5% in pension credit take-up, from 63% to 68%. Could the Minister say what the increase in take-up has been to date, and what further steps she will take to provide yet further mitigations and reduce pensioner poverty?
Minister reply
We will announce new statistics at the end of this month. The committee asked about the 5% increase; that assumption is based on what happened when the previous Government took away free TV licences and people had to apply for them. The OBR accepted our assumption.
Christchurch
Question
What is the point of having a Social Security Advisory Committee if the Government do not listen to and take its advice? Would it not be better to abolish the committee if the Government are intent on ignoring it?
Minister reply
No.
Scott Arthur
Lab
Edinburgh South West
Question
I was reassured by the Minister’s response that we will soon see a reply to that letter. My constituents are not fools—they can see that while Opposition parties oppose the cut, they are not proposing how they would fund the payment. My constituents also see the desperate lack of people claiming pension credit. I put on the record my thanks to Age Scotland for its guidance to my staff on how to ensure that more people in my constituency claim it. The letter refers to winter fuel payment claimants in England, Wales, the EU, Switzerland, Iceland, Lichtenstein and Norway, but not Scotland. Is that because in Scotland, the Scottish Government have the power both to maintain the winter fuel payment and to fully fund it?
Minister reply
Yes, as I understand it that is in the Scottish Government’s gift.
Damian Hinds
Con
East Hampshire
Question
Has the Minister had the chance to visit the DWP library, and has she made a note of how many drives there have been over the years to take up pension credit, and whether any of them ever reached as high even as three quarters of those who are eligible?
Minister reply
The previous Government promised 13 years ago to merge housing benefit with pension credit, which would be a significant advance towards improvements. We are introducing that in January. We will have been in power for only six months, but we will have done more than the previous Government did in 14 years.
Kirsty Blackman
SNP
Aberdeen North
Question
Many pensioners are terrified of going into debt and do not want to switch on their heating in case they end up with massive bills. Temperatures will drop below freezing in Scotland at the beginning of next week, so will the Minister apologise to those pensioners across Scotland who will not be able to put the heating on because they fear going into debt?
Minister reply
I urge the hon. Lady to look at the support available to low income households through the warm homes discount scheme, the extension of the household support fund and our commitment to the triple lock, which will ensure that 12 million pensioners see a rise in their pension of up to £470 next year, and £1,900 over the course of this Parliament. In the longer term, I urge her to look at the detail of the warm homes plan, which will transform homes across the country by making them cleaner and cheaper to heat.
Alicia Kearns
Con
Rutland and Stamford
Question
On 19 September, the Minister’s Department told me in response to a written question that 48,351 people in my constituency had been eligible for winter fuel payments. While we are proud to offer forever homes to so many pensioners, that is a preposterous figure, relating to a heartless and unnecessary decision that will cost more in the long term. How do I or any of my residents have confidence in what the Government are doing, since they believe that more than half my constituency is made up pensioners, and cannot even get the basic numbers right?
Minister reply
I quote one of the hon. Lady’s fellow politicians: “I have people in my constituency telling me that they don’t need the winter fuel payments that we give them because they can afford it.” Those are the words of the Leader of the Opposition, the right hon. Member for North West Essex (Mrs Badenoch).
Ann Davies
PC
Caerfyrddin
Question
The Social Security Advisory Committee’s letter calls for an urgent amendment to allow those in receipt of pensioner housing benefit to receive the winter fuel payment this year. I believe the UK Government should go further, extending eligibility to people on council tax support, attendance allowance, disability living allowance, personal independent payments and carer’s allowance. Will the UK Government rethink their position on eligibility and reduce pensioner hardship this winter?
Minister reply
The hon. Lady’s question allows me to focus on the communications around this change. It is not just about pension credit, but about people on working tax credit, child tax credit and other benefits. The committee was concerned about pensioners in receipt of child tax credit; pensioners should check whether they are eligible for other qualifying benefits for winter fuel payments, because it is quite a complicated system. It is not just about whether someone is already on pension credit.
James Wild
Con
North West Norfolk
Question
The Government say that they want everyone who is eligible for pension credit to claim it and get it, but as the Social Security Advisory Committee points out, they expect only a 5% increase in uptake. Is the reality not that the Government need hundreds of thousands of pensioners not to claim this entitlement that they deserve, in order to make their figures add up and to cut £1.4 billion from winter fuel payments?
Minister reply
I would be very pleased if all pensioners who are eligible for pension credit applied and received the help that they deserve.
Iqbal Mohamed
Ind
Dewsbury and Batley
Question
The Minister will be aware that billions of pounds in benefits and financial help, including pension credit, goes unclaimed every year due to the stigma associated with claiming benefits, and the huge difficulty that claimants encounter when navigating the system. What measures are the Government taking to encourage greater take-up and to simplify the benefits system?
Minister reply
We have run several campaigns, the latest of which was launched recently on radio and TV and in print media, to urge those who may be eligible to apply, and to urge their loved ones to encourage them and help them to apply. We have also asked officials to see how we can improve the form to make it easier, but more than 90% of claims are now made online. Pensioners can get help either from a loved one or from charities and local authorities, which are helping to ensure that they get the support that they deserve.
Lewis Cocking
Con
Broxbourne
Question
Some 16,600 pensioners in Broxbourne will lose their winter fuel payment. How is the Minister helping those who cannot do online applications for pension credit to make an application? Will she commit to continuing to write to all those who will lose their winter fuel payment until they sign up for pension credit?
Minister reply
We have written to all pensioners to tell them about the change in Government policy to ensure that those who are not in receipt of pension credit or other benefits know that they will not be getting the winter fuel payment this winter.
Jim Shannon
DUP
Strangford
Question
Minister, it is always good to have the necessary answers. The report notes savings of £1.5 billion. The increase in pension credit take-up from 63% to 68% represents an additional 100,000 households. Any take-up negates savings made by the Government. The fact is that pensioners who would qualify have lost out this year and are struggling now. What can be done to expedite their applications and to deal with the long waiting list for decisions, which means that, for many, the potential for additional income to ease their situation and help in the winter months will be too little, too late? The reason I make the point is that the system is taking too long to make a decision and those people need the money right now.
Minister reply
As I said, we have redeployed an additional 500 members of staff to process applications for pension credit and we are mostly hitting the target for processing times.
Shadow Comment
Helen Whately
Shadow Comment
The shadow criticised the Government's choice to means-test winter fuel payments as it will affect 10 million pensioners, leading to an estimated 750,000 of the poorest missing out on help with heating costs. She questioned the lack of an impact assessment and highlighted that the committee had warned about the policy affecting the poorest people. Whately demanded a full impact assessment and urged the Minister to consider revising the decision.
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