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Tackling Stalking
03 December 2024
Lead MP
Jess Phillips
Debate Type
Ministerial Statement
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Other Contributors: 18
At a Glance
Jess Phillips raised concerns about tackling stalking in the House of Commons. A government minister responded. Other MPs also contributed.
How the Debate Unfolded
MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said:
Government Statement
Government Statement
Madam Deputy Speaker, I apologise on behalf of the Government for any issues previously identified. The statement focuses on improving the response to stalking, highlighting that one in seven people over 16 has been a victim of stalking at least once in their lifetime. A recent joint investigation reported significant changes are needed to improve the police response. The Government will introduce multi-agency statutory guidance on stalking and review legislation. Additionally, victims will have the right to know who their online stalker is, as previously promised in the manifesto. This includes introducing 'right to know' guidance for anonymous stalking perpetrators. Stalking protection orders will be legislated to manage risk and address causes of behaviour, along with national standards for perpetrator programmes. These actions aim to strengthen the system so that victims have needed protection and support.
Nusrat Ghani
Con
Wealden
Question
The Minister should be commended for her work on this issue. But can she explain why the National Stalking Consortium, which has worked closely with victims and their families, was not invited to today’s launch?
Minister reply
I want to pay tribute to the National Stalking Consortium for its invaluable work and thank them for all that they have done to raise awareness and campaign for change. We will continue to engage closely with them as we progress our mission.
Caroline Flint
Lab
Dagenham
Question
I welcome the Government’s statement but is it possible to be more specific about how the 10-year target of halving violence against women and girls will be achieved? What kind of data would we see as milestones, such as an annual report?
Minister reply
The Government remains committed to this important goal. We are working on detailed metrics for measuring progress towards our aim to reduce violence against women and girls by half in a decade. This includes publishing regular updates and reporting annually.
Matt Vickers
Con
Stockton West
Question
The MP welcomed the Government’s announcement on stalking but questioned if the target to halve violence against women and girls within a decade remained a priority. He also inquired about specific metrics that would be used to measure success.
Minister reply
The Minister confirmed that the target remains a priority, supported by the Prime Minister. She stated that the prevalence of violence against women and girls is currently measured by the crime survey for England and Wales, alongside various other metrics such as female homicide and repeat domestic abuse victims.
Jo White
Lab
Bassetlaw
Question
The MP inquired about the work being done with the Department for Science, Innovation and Technology regarding social media blocking incentivising stalkers.
Minister reply
The Minister clarified that stalking protection orders can be used to tackle online stalking. She highlighted that the Online Safety Act includes stalking offences as priority offences.
Lisa Smart
Lib Dem
Hazel Grove
Question
The MP welcomed the developments but expressed concern over a one-size-fits-all approach and requested further detail on training for police officers and 999 call handlers.
Minister reply
The Minister acknowledged the importance of sensitivity in response to stalking victims. She mentioned ongoing work by the National Police Chiefs’ Council to engage with police forces regarding super-complaint recommendations, including reviewing offences under the Protection from Harassment Act.
Rachel Taylor
Lab
North Warwickshire and Bedworth
Question
The MP thanked the Minister for her statement and announced plans to work closely with local police on reducing violence.
Minister reply
The Minister expressed pleasure at working with MPs across the country, including Rachel Taylor's constituency of North Warwickshire and Bedworth.
Julian Lewis
Con
New Forest East
Question
I congratulate the Minister on taking office. Will she elaborate on what the root of the problem is when it comes to not knowing who is doing electronic stalking or harassment? Does the main problem lie with the internet companies, or does it lie with the police, who sometimes think that privacy is such an absolute right that misbehaviour does not vitiate it?
Minister reply
I suspect the truth lies somewhere in between. In Nicola’s case, the police were able to find out information about the stalker from a series of anonymous accounts, some of which were pretending to be women, but the problem arose because of privacy, as the right hon. Gentleman suggests. Police forces are worried about being bogged down in red tape, so what we will put on the statute book, in statutory guidance, is essentially a power flowing from the Home Secretary to tell police forces that they can provide information, because in such circumstances safeguarding is a perfectly legitimate reason to override privacy.
Peter Swallow
Lab
Bracknell
Question
The victims of stalking will know that intense, unsettling feeling, whether that is as they pass through a dimly lit underpass and feel someone following them or when they are being followed online. I thank the Minister for highlighting the importance of tackling stalking wherever it takes place. Will she outline how the new “right to know” guidance will reassure and empower victims and help protect them from further abuse?
Minister reply
From speaking to many victims, I know that stalking causes a lack of peace of mind. Other forms of violence against women and girls are all equally bad, but there is something deeply psychological about being stalked and feeling as if you have to change your behaviour and go to different places. The right to know who a stalker is, first and foremost, is about being able to rule out people a victim knows. Most women in our country know that they are more likely to be abused by somebody they know, so they would be second-guessing all the time and being driven further mad by the anonymity of that stalker. Even without any justice outcome, therefore, empowering those women and giving them back power and control over the situation is a gift of something that has been taken from them.
Jessica Brown-Fuller
Lib Dem
Chichester
Question
I thank the Minister for bringing the statement to the House today. I am sure she will join me in thanking a local charity, My Sisters’ House, which supports women in Chichester and Bognor specifically with relationship breakdown stalking, among other things. As its staff said to me when I spoke to them, anything that puts the rights of victims above the rights of abusers is a positive step in the right direction.
The Minister cites the great example of Cheshire constabulary, which is setting a leading standard in its approach to the protection and welfare of victims. She also recognised that we need to see all forces taking that sort of action. However, with each police force acting independently and priorities being set by police and crime commissioners, how will she ensure that victims do not experience a postcode lottery in the support they receive?
Minister reply
The hon. Lady points out something very pertinent. I often like dealing with Scotland because there is one police force. I am not suggesting that for England, and nor are the Government, just to be clear—I worry that civil servants might be writing down some of the things I say.
The hon. Lady makes a very good point. Having really good police forces and really good sexual violence responses in Avon and Somerset is no good to the people of Birmingham, is it? It cannot carry on in that way. One thing that has to be done, as part of the Government’s mission to end violence against women and girls and halve it within a decade, is to look at how we deal with police standards and monitor exactly what police forces are doing. It feels a little bit like the centre has taken its eye off the ball on that in the past number of years. We will not solve the problem if we start having a great service in urban areas but people are still left wanting in Chichester and other places.
Jonathan Brash
Lab
Hartlepool
Question
I welcome today’s statement. I think the House can agree that there is no better champion to deliver on this issue for those who desperately need it than my hon. Friend the Minister.
A constituent of mine has raised a harrowing case of stalking, whereby the perpetrator, in order to avoid justice, has simply fled the country, yet the stalking continues. Does the Minister agree that borders cannot be a barrier to justice on this issue and will she meet me to discuss that specific case?
Minister reply
I absolutely will meet my hon. Friend. I have dealt with many extraterritorial cases in the space of violence against women and girls in my time as a Member of Parliament, so I am more than happy to try to help in any way that I can on that case. On borders, under the Online Safety Act, if it is illegal here but is not happening here, it is still illegal. It does not matter where in the world it is happening.
Dwyfor Meirionnydd
Question
Diolch yn fawro iawn, Dirprwy Lefarydd. I welcome the measures announced today. I also want to take the opportunity to pay tribute to Rhianon Bragg, who I understand the Minister has met. She has been a tireless campaigner, in spite of extraordinary and horrific experiences. I also pay tribute to the Suzy Lamplugh Trust and its work.
I welcome what the Minister said about Cheshire constabulary; I visited the unit there. Specifically in Wales, for us to be able to establish multi-agency units within police forces, we will have to recognise that part of the membership, such as the psychologists, will be funded at a devolved level through health. Can she assure me that that will be possible for the four forces in Wales?
Minister reply
First of all, I must pay tribute to Rhianon. If Members of the House are not aware of her case, what she has been through is harrowing and she continues to campaign. We pay such tribute to all those who speak up to try to make things better for other women, even if in their cases that ship has sailed. That is an amazing thing.
I want to assure the right hon. Lady that there should be nothing stopping the same multi-agency situations happening in Wales any more than anywhere else where local health authorities give out funding. We will never solve the issue of violence against women and girls unless every part of Government, including at delegated, local level, takes responsibility. That is certainly a postcode lottery at the moment.
John Slinger
Lab
Rugby
Question
I am grateful to my hon. Friend for her statement and for discussing the broader issues with hon. Members in a Westminster Hall debate last week. Women and girls will have seen from today and previous efforts that they have a dedicated champion in the Minister.
There have been several important announcements by the Government in recent days to tackle violence against women and girls, which is obviously perpetrated mainly by men. Can the Minister set out any further details about how the Government are working across Departments to drive down those despicable crimes and embed a culture of taking action wherever we can?
Minister reply
I am mindful that sat here on the Front Bench with me now is the Under-Secretary of State for Housing, Communities and Local Government, my hon. Friend the Member for Bethnal Green and Stepney (Rushanara Ali). She has frequently attended meetings alongside us in the Home Office to discuss how local authorities and housing interact with the lives of victims of domestic abuse and those fleeing other forms of abuse and violence.
Government Departments working together on this issue should no longer just be about a piece of paper that gets written. There has to be firm commitment, and it has to come from the very top. In the last urgent question today, we heard about a previous Prime Minister’s commitment to tackling modern slavery, which led to a world-leading change in that space. That was because it came from the centre. I can assure my hon. Friend that, from the very centre of this Government, there is a desire to make sure that we get this into the mainstream of every Government Department—although I am struggling to make this about fish and fisheries, but I will find a way.
Claire Young
Lib Dem
Thornbury and Yate
Question
I welcome the proposals. I was talking to a constituent earlier today who feels that the family courts are not only enabling her ex-partner to continue abusing her, including following and harassing her, but are undermining the criminal case against her former partner. Will the Minister commit to looking at the role of the family courts in cases where the perpetrator is a former partner so that we can build on the proposals to better support people in those situations?
Minister reply
I thank the hon. Member for her question. First, let me pay tribute to my hon. Friend the Member for Pontypridd (Alex Davies-Jones), who is my equivalent in the Ministry of Justice, which leads on the family courts. All I can say about the family courts, which came up in the very first mission board with regard to violence against women and girls, is that we will not solve the issues of domestic abuse or child abuse in our country—we will not go anywhere near to solving them—unless we look at those family courts.
Jonathan Davies
Lab
Mid Derbyshire
Question
Welcomed the Minister's statement and mentioned a case in Derbyshire where a young woman was killed by her stalker despite reporting him to the police. Asked about capturing missed opportunities for improvement and using weight to ensure online providers and social media companies improve their safeguarding practices.
Minister reply
Acknowledged Jonathan Davies' sensitivity regarding the victim's name, affirmed the importance of seeking consent from victims or their families. Discussed the domestic homicide review process and the need to use findings effectively to prevent recurrence. Stated readiness to use influence with online tech companies.
Luke Taylor
Lib Dem
Sutton and Cheam
Question
Asked about the fragmented legal framework for stalking victims, suggesting a stand-alone stalking offence would simplify accountability without burdening victims with evidence gathering.
Minister reply
Agreed that current confusion between offences complicates victim's efforts to secure harsher penalties. Will work with stalking organisations and Victims' Commissioner to ensure considerations during legislation review.
Tom Hayes
Lab
Bournemouth East
Question
Welcomed the new measures against stalkers and protections for victims, questioned integration of public bodies in local responses.
Minister reply
Acknowledged Tom Hayes' work with domestic abuse services, reaffirmed commitment to tackling violence. Discussed multi-agency statutory guidance and benefits of properly run integrated services.
Tim Roca
Lab
Macclesfield
Question
Complimented Cheshire police's good work and paid tribute to Nicola Thorp, whose activism inspired Jo Cox.
Minister reply
Agreed to pay tribute to Nicola Thorp, acknowledging her first protest concerning workplace dress codes and subsequent efforts in activism.
Shadow Comment
Matt Vickers
Shadow Comment
The Minister's statement is acknowledged positively by welcoming Government’s announcement on stalking. Matt pays tribute to Nicola Thorp for sharing her experiences, highlighting the courage in bringing light to such issues. The previous Government made significant progress on violence against women and girls including doubling maximum sentences for stalkers and ensuring victims can access professional support. Welcomes new 'right to know' powers and stalking protection orders directly at conviction or acquittal. However, emphasises there is still much more to do, asking the Minister to confirm that the pledge to halve the rate of violence against women and girls in a decade remains a priority and to outline metrics for measuring success.
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