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House of Commons · Bill Debate

Terrorism (Protection of Premises) Bill - Clause 1

14 October 2024 · 29 other contributors

Opened by Yvette Cooper Lab Pontefract, Castleford and Knottingley

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At a glance

Yvette Cooper raised concerns about terrorism (protection of premises) bill - clause 1 in the House of Commons. A government minister responded. Other MPs also contributed.

Key points

  • The Bill requires premises and event organisers to assess and mitigate the risk of a terrorist attack.
  • It targets venues expecting more than 200 people at any time, with special provisions for those expecting over 800.
  • The minister stated that arrangements will vary based on event size and nature, stressing proportionality.

How the debate unfolded

MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said.

Opened the debate

Yvette Cooper Lab Pontefract, Castleford and Knottingley

The Bill aims to require premises and event organisers to consider the risk of a terrorist attack and implement measures to protect people. It focuses on larger venues where more than 200 people can be expected at any one time, with specific provisions for those expecting over 800 individuals. The legislation will not prescribe detailed arrangements but emphasises proportionality and recognising individual circumstances.

Other contributors (29)
  • Pete Wishart SNP Perth and Kinross-shire

    Asked about concerns from the live music sector regarding the Bill's impact, highlighting the need for reassurance on issues raised by this sector.

  • Julian Lewis Con New Forest East

    Questioned whether the proposed measures would have prevented the Manchester Arena attack and if it addresses bulk explosives carried by suicide bombers, raising doubts about its effectiveness.

  • Neil Coyle Lab Bermondsey and Old Southwark

    Asked about support for venues to draw down on terror insurance where necessary, the need for an awareness campaign on this issue, and practical difficulties in implementing physical barriers around public spaces such as Borough market.

  • John Hayes Con South Holland and The Deepings

    No specific arguments or interventions were provided in the given excerpt.

  • Jim Shannon DUP Strangford

    Expresses support for the Government's legislation, highlighting lessons learned from Northern Ireland in combating terrorism through voluntary measures. Suggests that legislation should aim to encourage rather than enforce compliance.

  • James Cleverly Con Braintree

    Supports the Bill, emphasising its cross-party support and importance in protecting public safety while supporting the entertainment industry. Raises concerns about regulatory costs and suggests a staged implementation to assess effectiveness.

  • Connor Rand Lab Altrincham and Sale West

    Supports the bill as it aims to mitigate the impact of a terrorist plot on public premises. Highlights the Manchester Arena attack that left 22 dead and many injured due to security lapses. Argues for treating terrorism threats seriously given post-attack statistics showing 43 terror plots foiled since then. Acknowledges concerns about business burden but believes collaboration between Government, businesses, and campaigners can overcome them.

  • Lisa Smart Lib Dem Hazel Grove

    Supports the bill by honouring Martyn Hett and his mother Figen Murray's campaign for better security measures post-Manchester Arena bombing. Discusses the Bill's aim to impose a legal duty on venue owners, operators, or leaseholders to assess terror-related threats and implement proportionate measures. Welcomes lower thresholds but raises concerns about lowering them further without justification. Urges careful scrutiny of potential costs versus benefits for smaller venues.

  • Kirith Entwistle Lab Bolton North East

    Stressed the importance of ensuring public safety in venues while acknowledging the cultural significance of local arts and entertainment. Cited support for Martyn’s law as a step towards preventing tragedies like the Manchester Arena bombing, praising Greater Manchester's proactive measures.

  • Priti Patel Con Witham

    She pays tribute to the victims of terrorism and those who campaign for better legislation. She highlights the cross-party support for Martyn’s law, which aims to protect citizens from terrorist attacks by placing a duty on organisations to protect people from harm. Patel emphasises the importance of reviewing policies regularly due to evolving threats and acknowledges the work of security and intelligence services. She questions the Home Secretary about the practicalities of enforcement and seeks clarity on the role of local authorities and schools in implementing the standard duty, as well as the financial support available for them.

  • Yvette Cooper Lab Pontefract, Castleford and Knottingley

    [Intervention] She thanks Priti Patel for her tributes to David Amess and Jo Cox, highlighting their importance in the debate.

  • John Hayes Con South Holland and The Deepings

    [Intervention] He pays tribute to Priti Patel for setting up the inquiry and emphasises the need to act on recommendations regarding coordination between agencies to improve communication.

  • Neil Coyle Lab Bermondsey and Old Southwark

    Supports the Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill, highlighting its importance in protecting communities from terror attacks. Raises concerns about risk assessments not being stringent enough, the need for a clearer dispute resolution system for shared spaces, and the necessity of implementing fast-track planning processes and requiring terror insurance to facilitate security measures.

  • Rachel Gilmour Lib Dem Tiverton and MineHead

    Thanked her predecessors, acknowledged the support of staff in the parliamentary estate. Shared her work with constituents since September last year including knocking on nearly 31,000 doors, delivering leaflets, letters and surveys to over 12,000 residents. Discussed her priorities for Tiverton and Minehead which include supporting local hospitals and improving transport links such as linking the Minehead train station with Taunton’s main line; securing bus services in the north of her constituency; addressing social mobility issues; advocating better education facilities like the dire state of Tiverton high school. Mentioned the importance of community support groups, farmers’ challenges due to Brexit and climate change, and expressed her dedication to representing her farming community.

  • Matt Bishop Lab Forest of Dean

    Acknowledged the beauty and significance of his constituency, praised predecessors' work, highlighted local community support during floods, emphasised the need for better public transport and mental health facilities. He also expressed concerns about education funding cuts impacting school infrastructure and called for action on river pollution.

  • Neil Shastri-Hurst Con Solihull West and Shirley

    Praised the importance of today's debate, paid tribute to new Members, highlighted the need for Government action in protecting citizens from terrorism. Acknowledged the Bill's significant requirements on certain industries but called for financial and logistical support especially for smaller organisations struggling post-pandemic. Suggested regular reviews of threats and countermeasures and engagement with volunteer-run organisations.

  • Sonia Kumar Lab Dudley

    Supports the Terrorism (Protection of Premises) Bill, emphasising its importance in safeguarding public spaces from terrorism. Mentions that about 2,000 businesses in Dudley could be affected by the legislation and encourages a risk-based approach to ensure practical security measures are taken without overburdening smaller organisations.

  • Ben Maguire Lib Dem North Cornwall

    Supports the Bill's necessity but raises concerns about its potential impact on small venues in rural areas. Argues that smaller venues should not be overly regulated or penalized, emphasising the importance of proportionate measures and training to prevent repeat offences.

  • Torcuil Crichton Lab Na h-Eileanan an Iar

    Intervenes to highlight the impact of terrorism on rural communities, mentioning Eilidh MacLeod from Barra as a victim of the Manchester attack and supporting the collective response against terrorism.

  • Vikki Slade Lib Dem Mid Dorset and North Poole

    Intervenes to agree that training is necessary but also highlights concerns about SIA licensing practices, suggesting a need for better regulation around personnel working in security fields.

  • Chris Murray Lab Edinburgh East and Musselburgh

    Murray supports the Bill, praising it for addressing evolving terrorist threats. He highlights Edinburgh's numerous events and the city council's support for the legislation to prepare venues against potential attacks. He acknowledges the need for multi-pronged approaches but emphasises the importance of venue preparation before an attack occurs. Murray also expresses concerns about the SIA’s resources and funding, urging the Home Office to ensure operationalisation is possible.

  • Jim Allister TUV North Antrim

    Allister supports Martyn's law but raises concerns about potential overreach and financial burdens on small schools, churches, and other organisations. He questions the absence of physical measures to counter previously planted devices and expresses doubts about civil liability provisions in clause 31. Allister also criticises the SIA’s effectiveness and suggests it might not be the right regulatory body due to past issues.

  • Luke Myer Lab Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland

    Welcomes the Bill and its cross-party support. Supports it due to his experience with trainee paramedics deployed in the Manchester bombing. Highlights that 76% of victims were unable to access psychological treatment or rated it poor, based on a survey by Travis Frain. Emphasises the need for guarantees on minimum standards for psychological treatment, physiotherapy, legal and financial assistance.

  • Jim Shannon DUP Strangford

    Commemorates the victims of terror attacks in Northern Ireland. Discusses the need for standard evacuation procedures and protection measures, especially for churches and schools. Highlights the history of terrorism in Northern Ireland and the importance of police expertise. Questions the Minister on support to businesses and cost-effective ways to meet obligations.

  • Paul Holmes Con Hamble Valley

    Paid tribute to Figen Murray and the Martyn’s law campaign, thanked Minister and Home Secretary for constructive tone, praised maiden speeches by Rachel Gilmour and Matt Bishop, highlighted contributions from other MPs on constituency impacts. Emphasised the need for public protection while balancing regulatory requirements on businesses and venues. Raised concerns about clause 4 regarding accountability measures and suggested safeguards such as anonymity or support structures.

  • Dan Jarvis Lab Barnsley North

    Dan Jarvis supported Martyn’s law, arguing that it would improve protective security and organisational preparedness across the UK to combat evolving terrorist threats. He highlighted the importance of legislative requirements for premises and events to be better prepared in case of a terrorist attack, emphasising the need for appropriate measures without imposing undue burdens on businesses.

  • Josh Babarinde Lib Dem Eastbourne

    Mr. Babarinde paid tribute to Ian Gow and acknowledged the importance of recognising those who have lost their lives in terrorist attacks.

  • Paul Waugh Lab Co-op Rochdale

    Mr. Waugh supported the Bill, noting that many constituents welcomed it but raised concerns about its proportionality for small music venues.

  • Jim Shannon DUP Strangford

    Mr. Shannon sought clarity on how churches would be included in the standard tier, indicating a cautious support for the Bill and asking for reassurances.

Government Response

Addressed concerns about proportionality and individual circumstances of venues. Emphasised that arrangements will vary according to event size and nature.

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