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National Security Bill - Clause 14 and Lords amendments 22B, 122B

26 June 2023 · 13 other contributors

Opened by Thomas Tugendhat Con Tonbridge

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At a glance

Thomas Tugendhat raised concerns about national security bill - clause 14 and lords amendments 22b, 122b in the House of Commons. Other MPs contributed to the debate.

Key points

  • Concerns were raised about disagreeing with Lords amendment 22B
  • Specific asks of the government were not recorded
  • No commitments were made during the debate

How the debate unfolded

MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said.

Opened the debate

Thomas Tugendhat Con Tonbridge

Moves to disagree with Lords amendment 22B.

Other contributors (13)
  • Rosie Winterton Lab Sheffield Central

    Raises concerns about the Government's reluctance to accept Lords amendments, suggesting it is due to a lack of clarity and progress in addressing foreign interference risks. Supports the need for enhanced safeguards against foreign money influencing political parties.

  • Maria Eagle Lab Liverpool Garston

    Questions the Minister about the rationale behind not accepting Lords amendments and highlights the scrutiny gap in intelligence and security activities due to outdated memorandum of understanding.

  • Kevan Jones Lab Durham North

    Emphasises the ISC's frustration with lack of progress despite raising concerns for two years, highlighting the need for stronger safeguards against foreign money influence.

  • Liam Byrne Lab Birmingham Hodge Hill and Solihull North

    Cites specific examples of foreign money donations and questions how the Bill safeguards against such risks, highlighting the need for clearer provisions to protect political integrity.

  • Holly Lynch Lab Batley and Spen

    Critiques Government amendment (a) as insufficient, arguing it provides less clarity than Lords amendments 122B and 22B. Highlights ISC's inability to secure meetings with Prime Ministers since 2014, stressing the need for updated MOU and regular engagement.

  • Jim Shannon DUP Strangford

    Questions why Government is reluctant to concede to a review as legislation evolves, highlighting the importance of addressing scrutiny gaps in national security activities.

  • Julian Lewis Con New Forest East

    Lewis argues that current safeguards in electoral law are insufficient to guard against foreign interference. He highlights the ISC's position, supported by the Committee on Standards in Public Life and the Electoral Commission, which concludes that existing rules do not adequately protect against foreign influence. Lewis dismisses the Government’s claim that the amendment would place undue burdens on grassroots political organisations, stating it is a modest measure that increases transparency without being overly onerous.

  • Martin Docherty SNP West Dunbartonshire

    In an intervention, Martin Docherty questions why the Government cannot extend the requirement for charities to conduct due diligence on foreign sources of funding to political parties as well.

  • Alison Thewliss SNP Glasgow Central

    Supports Lords amendments for granting ISC more information access. Argues that political donations through unincorporated associations should be regulated to ensure transparency and accountability.

  • Rosie Winterton Lab Stockport

    Called for brevity among speakers.

  • John Hayes Con South Holland and The Deepings

    Emphasised the need for dynamic threat responses, secrecy in security missions, and accountability through a constitutionally specific ISC. Supports Government's small mercy in their amendment but urges prompt action within six months to update MOU.

  • Jeremy Wright Con Kenilworth and Southam

    Wright agrees with the amendment, stating that it is necessary to protect democracy from foreign influence. He notes the importance of identifying and reporting donations from foreign powers to the Electoral Commission. However, he finds both Lords amendment 122B and Government’s amendment in lieu flawed due to their narrow focus on a six-month review period which may not account for future government changes.

  • Thomas Tugendhat Con Tonbridge

    Tugendhat acknowledges criticism but states that the Bill is essential to update intelligence services' powers. He defends parliamentary scrutiny and expresses commitment to addressing oversight concerns with relevant departments, though he finds Lords amendment 22B insufficient for tackling foreign donations due to its narrow scope.

Shadow Response

Holly Lynch

Highlights concerns about the ISC's ability to perform its function effectively due to outdated MOU, questions lack of progress despite repeated calls for updates. Emphasises the need for robust safeguards against foreign influence on political parties.

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