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House of Commons · Ministerial Statement

List of Ministers’ Interests and Ministerial Code

24 April 2023 · 19 other contributors

Opened by Alex Burghart Con Brentwood and Ongar

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At a glance

Alex Burghart raised concerns about list of ministers’ interests and ministerial code in the House of Commons. A government minister responded. Other MPs also contributed.

Key points

  • The Minister confirmed the publication of the latest list of Ministers' interests on 19 April by Sir Laurie Magnus
  • It is a twice-yearly published list highlighting relevant interests as per the ministerial code, not a register
  • Each Minister makes a declaration upon appointment and updates throughout their term with advice from Permanent Secretaries and an independent adviser to avoid conflicts of interest

How the debate unfolded

MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said.

Government Statement

The Minister confirmed the publication of the latest list of Ministers’ interests on 19 April by Sir Laurie Magnus, detailing that it is not a register but rather a twice-yearly published list highlighting relevant interests as per the ministerial code. Each Minister makes a declaration upon appointment and updates throughout their term, with advice from Permanent Secretaries and an independent adviser to avoid conflicts of interest. The system gathers comprehensive information privately for effective management, with publication reflecting the need for clarity and transparency without undue intrusion into personal matters.

Other contributors (19)
  • Wendy Chamberlain Lib Dem North East Fife

    Question

    Challenged the minister on delays in publishing ministerial interests lists, questioned transparency regarding former Ministers' interests, and called for regular reporting. Raised concerns over the Prime Minister's promise of integrity and requested a duty affirmation from the Government to uphold civil service impartiality.

    Minister reply

    Acknowledged that Sir Laurie Magnus will return to regular publication cycles as he sees fit without government interference. Stated no formal allegations existed against former Deputy Prime Minister before appointment, leading to an independent investigation upon allegation disclosure.

  • Question

    Proposed that Sir Laurie Magnus write annual public letters to the Prime Minister on system effectiveness and needed improvements.

    Minister reply

    Acknowledged Father of the House’s long-term perspective, suggesting Sir Laurie would consider this proposal.

  • Fleur Anderson Lab Putney

    Question

    Asked about the former Deputy Prime Minister's resignation, whether the Government knew or approved his statements blaming victims for bullying issues, and if he should apologise. She also questioned the PM's financial interests declaration and requested more regular updates on ministerial interests.

    Minister reply

    The Government is focused on reducing inflation to tackle the cost of living crisis. The Prime Minister has been 'assiduous' in declaring all relevant interests according to Lord Geidt, and Dominic Raab expressed regret for any stress or offence caused.

  • William Wragg Con Halifax

    Question

    Suggested that the Government should reach out to opposition parties to devise some form of cooperation.

    Minister reply

    Emphasised the importance of separate lists for Ministers and MPs, but noted that anyone can compare the two reports as necessary.

  • Kirsty Blackman SNP Aberdeen North

    Question

    Asked about delays in publishing ministerial declarations and questioned the point of having a code if Ministers do not abide by it.

    Minister reply

    Defended the due process, noting that independent investigations were conducted when formal allegations were made against ministers.

  • Desmond Swayne Con New Forest West

    Question

    Asked about swift action to reduce the time frame for complaints about ministerial behaviour.

    Minister reply

    The Prime Minister has asked the Cabinet Office to look at addressing shortcomings in the historic process and intends to do so swiftly.

  • Angela Eagle Lab Wallasey

    Question

    Critiqued the current system as unsatisfactory due to lack of integrity from Prime Ministers.

    Minister reply

    Defended the Prime Minister's integrity, citing Lord Geidt and Sir Laurie Magnus' reports.

  • Jackie Doyle-Price Con Thurrock

    Question

    Asked about rebooting the ministerial code to focus on values expected of Ministers.

    Minister reply

    Agreed that the code is important for guiding Ministerial behaviour, especially in operational responsibilities.

  • Chris Bryant Lab Rhondda

    Question

    Suggested that the current ministerial code system is outdated and needs reform to unify with parliamentary codes of conduct.

    Minister reply

    Explained differences between ministerial interests lists and MPs' registers, highlighting varying relevancies based on portfolio changes.

  • Simon Hoare Con North Dorset

    Question

    If we are serious about supporting and defending the independence and sagacity of our senior civil servants, their advice on whether something should be in the public domain or not should surely be enough. Otherwise, it is a direct challenge to the authority of those senior civil servants to whom a Minister is making a declaration. Does the Minister agree with that? Does he also agree that the clue is in the title—a blind trust is just that?

    Minister reply

    Absolutely. A blind trust must be a blind trust. On my hon. Friend’s point about the integrity of official advice to Ministers, absolutely, our system requires officials to be able to give advice candidly and freely, safe in the knowledge that it will not routinely be disclosed.

  • Karin Smyth Lab Bristol South

    Question

    In the discussions with the Deputy Prime Minister last week, was he offered a range of sanctions with regard to the breach of the ministerial code before he resigned?

    Minister reply

    I was not party to those discussions, so I am unable to say.

  • James Wild Con North West Norfolk

    Question

    The transparency provided by the list is important, which is why I welcome its publication. Does my hon. Friend agree with me that the Opposition should follow the Government’s lead on transparency, and publish details of all meetings and contacts that they had with senior civil servant Sue Grey before her appointment as Labour party chief of staff?

    Minister reply

    Like my hon. Friend, I await that publication.

  • Tan Dhesi Lab Slough

    Question

    Does the Minister not agree that we now have a Prime Minister who has to be forced—compelled, if not embarrassed—into showing any sort of transparency?

    Minister reply

    Absolutely not.

  • Question

    When Sir Laurie Magnus gave evidence to PACAC on the compliance of Ministers with the ministerial code, he said: “I think you have to rely on their honesty, their compliance with the seven principles of public life and their recognising that if they are to have the privilege of a ministerial position, they have to comply with the expected standards.” What can we do in this place when they do not?

    Minister reply

    The hon. Gentleman, I am sure, as a member of PACAC, will have read Sir Laurie Magnus’s list, published last week, in which he outlines that Ministers are doing what they are expected to do and that permanent secretaries are helping them to do so.

  • Debbie Abrahams Lab Oldham East and Saddleworth

    Question

    There are so many loopholes in the regulatory system for all the codes of conduct, but in that of the ministerial code in particular. The so-called Independent Adviser on Ministers’ Interests is anything but independent, and unable to initiate their own investigations or to decide on what sanctions are appropriate. When will the Government adopt my Elected Representatives (Codes of Conduct) Bill, which I introduced at the beginning of the year to close the existing loopholes?

    Minister reply

    With all due respect to the hon. Lady, it is completely the case that the Independent Adviser on Ministers’ Interests is independent. He is independent and he conducts his duties accordingly in that role.

  • Question

    The problem the Minister has is that there is a pattern with the Prime Minister: he has already been fined for not wearing a seatbelt and for breaching covid rules, and he is currently being investigated over allegations about his registering of interests. Now, in an unprecedented move, it has been reported that the investigation has been widened because of allegations that it was discussed in public. Can the Minister explain why this Prime Minister, sadly much like his predecessor but one, seems to be—[Interruption.]

    Minister reply

    The Prime Minister is doing an excellent job of delivering on the people’s priorities. Scottish National party Members want to be very careful before picking up rocks in their glasshouse.

  • Clive Efford Lab Eltham and Chislehurst

    Question

    We had the fast track for covid contracts, where people did not have to be a Conservative party member or donor—but it didn’t half help—to get a contract. We have had Ministers having to resign over various misconducts. We have had gaps in their declarations of interest, and now we have this investigation into the Prime Minister. That is a fact: that is happening. Does the Minister not think it is time that we had an independent ethics investigator who could look into these matters? Regardless of who is in government, the public’s view is that these things bring down our politics. Should we not all work together to clean it up and make sure that there is an independent investigator with power to independently investigate?

    Minister reply

    We have an independent adviser and a ministerial code. This Government are delivering on the Prime Minister’s commitment to integrity and professionalism.

  • Jim Shannon DUP Strangford

    Question

    Thank you Madam Deputy Speaker. I thank the Minister for his clarification and the answers that he is trying to deliver. Will he further outline whether clear guidance will be issued on what constitutes a conflict of interest and how far that extends, to ensure that this House does not continue to consider these matters with the current greyness?

    Minister reply

    I refer the hon. Gentleman to Sir Laurie Magnus’s report and list published last week. The process by which it is decided what conflicts Ministers might have is in conjunction with ministerial declarations, the permanent secretary and the independent adviser.

Shadow Comment

Wendy Chamberlain

The shadow criticised the delay in publishing ministerial interests lists, noting that it took 320 days since the last publication. She also highlighted missing interests of former Ministers and called for more regular reporting to ensure transparency. Wendy questioned the Prime Minister’s integrity given recent controversies involving appointees and urged the Government to address behavioural standards and civil service impartiality issues.

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