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House of Commons · General Debate

Committee on Standards

03 November 2021 · 39 other contributors

Opened by Lindsay Hoyle Speaker Chorley

Summarised by AI from the official record, so it can contain mistakes.

At a glance

Lindsay Hoyle raised concerns about committee on standards in the House of Commons. Other MPs contributed to the debate.

Key points

  • Concerns raised during the debate on Committee on Standards
  • Specific asks of government were not recorded
  • Commitments made were none

How the debate unfolded

MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said.

Other contributors (39)
  • Lindsay Hoyle Speaker Chorley

    Set out the procedure to be followed during the debate. Emphasised not attacking individuals and maintaining good temper, moderation, respectfulness, and tolerance in language. Mentioned that Dame Andrea Leadsom's amendment will be moved formally at the end of the debate.

  • Andrea Leadsom Con South Northamptonshire

    Tabled an amendment to the motion which raises concerns about the process used in the case involving Mr Owen Paterson.

  • Jess Phillips Lab Birmingham, Yardley

    Questioned if Jacob Rees-Mogg would be making these changes if it were a Labour MP. Also questioned whether there has been an effective appeal process in this case.

  • Kevin Hollinrake Con Thirsk and Malton

    Asked whether the oversight of the Committee on Standards and the judgment of the House serve as effective appeal processes.

  • Martin Docherty SNP West Dunbartonshire

    Questioned if the Leader of the House could differentiate between how the decision was treated for those who had allegations upheld against them compared to Mr Paterson.

  • Margaret Hodge Lab Barking

    Stressed the importance of taking decisions that have been agreed upon unanimously by the Committee and endorsed by the House, highlighting the seriousness of the allegation against Mr Paterson.

  • Florence Eshalomi Lab Co-op Vauxhall and Camberwell Green

    Asked if the ban on paid advocacy since 1695 was being bent by the Government in this case.

  • Richard Burgon Lab Leeds East

    Suggested that the attempt to rewrite rules is dodgy and would further damage trust in democracy, citing polls showing public belief in corruption within the Government.

  • Steven Baker Con Wycombe

    Warned that passing the amendment could lead to Mr Paterson facing condemnation by an appeals process.

  • Bill Cash Con Stone

    Emphasised the importance of applying criteria for fairness in contested cases and highlighted that an investigatory panel was not applied in this case despite it being available under Standing Order No. 150.

  • Sammy Wilson DUP East Antrim

    Asked if the difference of interpretation regarding 'paid advocacy' should be open to appeal given that two different interpretations exist.

  • Michael Fabricant Con Lichfield

    Pointed out that 17 individuals who wished to give oral evidence were refused, and argued for justice and fairness in the process.

  • Michael Fabricant Con Lichfield

    Asked about the importance of cross-examination in natural justice cases.

  • Bill Wiggin Con North Herefordshire

    Emphasised the need for reform due to staff being put in an impossible position by the current system.

  • Bernard Jenkin Con Harwich and North Essex

    Clarified that all standards cases come before the House, and questioned the necessity of a new mechanism proposed by the Committee on Standards in Public Life.

  • Mike Amesbury Lab Weaver Vale

    Stressed that any Member found involved in paid advocacy to the tune of £100,000 per year should face the same scrutiny regardless of political affiliation.

  • Alistair Carmichael Lib Dem Orkney and Shetland

    Argued that procedural reform requires consensus-building before implementation, questioning the current approach's effectiveness.

  • Peter Kyle Lab Hove and Portslade

    Critiqued the Leader of the House for being detached from reality, noting that most MPs do not need to be paid £100,000 to advocate for their constituents' interests.

  • Yvette Cooper Lab Pontefract, Castleford and Knottingley

    Challenged the Leader of the House on why a new Select Committee would be better than an old one that had already reached a unanimous conclusion against paid advocacy.

  • Martin Docherty SNP West Dunbartonshire

    Asked if there will be compulsion for Members to attend the proposed Committee and other Select Committees.

  • Desmond Swayne Con New Forest West

    Noted that members are required to attend Special Standing Committees for private Bills due to their quasi-judicial nature.

  • Neil Coyle Lab Bermondsey and Old Southwark

    Criticised the Government's approach, citing examples of inconsistent handling of misconduct cases within the party.

  • Charles Walker Con Harwich and North Essex

    Asked about the timing of appeals if an appeal panel upholds the original ruling.

  • Stephen Timms Lab East Ham

    Questioned whether the interpretation of the whistleblowing exemption could effectively nullify the ban on paid advocacy.

  • Chris Bryant Lab Rhondda and Ogmore

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  • Chris Elmore Lab Bridgend

    Asked why the Leader of the House is appointing a Chair for this Select Committee instead of allowing Members to vote.

  • Pete Wishart SNP Perth and Kinross-shire

    Called for the debate to be accelerated given its importance and the limited time available.

  • Thangam Debbonaire Lab Bristol West

    Debbonaire criticises the amendment as a backdoor attempt to change rules mid-case, questioning the integrity of the process and arguing that if Members do not like results they should debate changes openly. She emphasises the importance of adhering to ethical standards and maintaining public trust in parliamentary procedures.

  • Peter Bottomley Con Worthing West

    Bottomley expresses dissatisfaction with the need for this debate but would support the Government's motion unamended. He acknowledges the thoroughness of the report and notes that while he understands Paterson's situation, he feels the latter could have taken a more conciliatory approach to the findings. Bottomley is concerned about the potential misuse of historical recommendations from 2003 without proper consideration in intervening years.

  • Pete Wishart SNP Perth and Kinross-shire

    He expresses concern over the Government's efforts to change rules retrospectively, criticising it as a shoddy return to Tory sleaze. He highlights that the Standards Committee imposed maximum sanctions on the right hon. Member for North Shropshire for breaching multiple rules and argues against having a committee with a Conservative Chair and majority decide on this matter.

  • Martin Docherty Labour Party not specified constituency

    Mr Docherty intervenes to express agreement that the Government's approach is undermining democratic pillars, including neutralising court rulings of the Supreme Court, defying the European convention on human rights, reforming the Electoral Commission, and now attempting to change rules regarding standards breaches.

  • Yvette Cooper Lab Pontefract, Castleford and Knottingley

    Ms Cooper questioned why the amendment was being proposed on this specific day given that similar reforms could have been suggested earlier. She argued that it undermines the integrity of previous decisions by the Committee on Standards.

  • Simon Hoare Con North Dorset

    Mr Hoare supported Mrs Leadsom's proposal for a more judicial and forensic process but asked if this would mean the House should still vote on these reports or if it should be left to the Standards Committee.

  • Mr Bell expressed concern that proposing reforms now might seem like moving goalposts, making it hard for cross-party support. He suggested that any reform must come from all parts of the House to maintain integrity.

  • Jess Phillips Lab Birmingham Yardley

    Ms Phillips shared concerns about victims of sexual harassment or assault who have gone through the independent complaints process, worrying that today's debate could discourage others from coming forward with similar issues.

  • Mrs Harman expressed regret at having to speak in this debate but emphasised the importance of upholding high standards. She argued for an independent measure and called for changes to be proposed on a cross-party basis, opposing the amendment and supporting adherence to existing rules.

  • Chris Bryant Lab Rhondda and Ogmore

    The amendment is a retrograde step as it would create two rival Select Committees on standards. It would delay the process and compromise the independence of the parliamentary commissioner's investigation.

  • John Martin McDonnell Lab Hayes and Harlington

    No Member of Parliament serves on this new Committee in my name, as it is viewed as corrupt.

  • Lindsay Hoyle Speaker Chorley

    We are not going to go through all the Members in the debate.

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