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House of Commons · General Debate

Independent Expert Panel Recommendations for Sanctions and the Recall of MPs Act 2015

19 October 2021 · 8 other contributors

Opened by Jacob Rees-Mogg Con Selonky

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At a glance

Jacob Rees-Mogg raised concerns about independent expert panel recommendations for sanctions and the recall of mps act 2015 in the House of Commons. A government minister responded. Other MPs also contributed.

Key points

  • Moves a motion to amend Standing Orders to enable recall to be triggered by an IEP recommended sanction of suspension.
  • Emphasises the need for parity in the effect of sanctions to build confidence in the system and ensure a safe workplace.
  • The Leader acknowledges the debate but maintains that changing rules retrospectively would undermine justice principles.

How the debate unfolded

MPs spoke in turn to share their views and ask questions. Here's what each person said.

Opened the debate

Jacob Rees-Mogg Con Selonky

Moves a motion to amend Standing Orders to enable recall to be triggered as a result of an IEP recommended sanction of suspension, arguing that parity in the effect of sanctions is necessary for building confidence in the system and ensuring Parliament remains a safe place of work. Emphasises that applying these measures retrospectively could violate the independence of the independent expert panel.

Other contributors (8)
  • Jacob Rees-Mogg Con Selonky

    Moves a motion to amend Standing Orders to enable recall to be triggered as a result of an IEP recommended sanction of suspension. He argues that the current discrepancy between ICGS and non-ICGS cases when it comes to their interplay with the Recall of MPs Act 2015 should be addressed by making sure that any sanction of suspension of a qualifying duration, whether made following a report from the independent expert panel or another committee, will lead to a recall petition. He also highlights concerns raised by Sir Stephen Irwin regarding retrospective imposition and the independence of the IEP.

  • Thangam Debbonaire Lab West Bristol

    Argues for retrospective rule change due to a lack of justice for the victim in a specific case where no action was taken against an MP despite serious misconduct. Emphasises the importance of setting high standards of behaviour and leading by example.

  • Edward Leigh Cons Gainsborough

    Raises concerns about natural law principles, questioning whether people should be punished according to the laws in place at the time of their offence.

  • Pete Wishart SNP Perth and Kinross-shire

    Supports Labour's amendment due to issues with justice not being served for victims. Acknowledges progress made by the ICGS but highlights ongoing concerns such as access to the parliamentary estate during investigations.

  • Chris Bryant Lab Rhondda and Ogmore

    Agrees with much of the hon. Member for Perth and North Perthshire but expresses scepticism about lasting change in the House's attitude. Thanks Sir Stephen Irwin and other members of the independent expert panel, acknowledging their challenging cases. Raises concern over revealing complainant names if policy suggested by the hon. Member for Perth and North Perthshire is adopted. Criticises the 2015 Act for not addressing sexual harassment and bullying as seriously as registration of interests or paid advocacy offences. Argues that current standards make it impossible to expel Members through these cases, which should be rectified by legislation. Emphasises the importance of maintaining the independence of the independent expert panel.

  • Pete Wishart SNP Perth and Kinross-shire

    Intervenes to thank Chris Bryant for his effective Chairmanship, agreeing that legislation versus Standing Orders is a key issue. Expresses concern about potential legal challenges if the route of legislation is taken.

  • Jess Phillips Lab Birmingham Yardley

    She argued against voting along party lines and emphasised the moral imperative of protecting vulnerable constituents. She shared her experiences with rape complainants who felt let down by current measures, highlighting the need for safeguarding in Parliament.

  • Michael Fabricant Con Lichfield

    He interjected to question whether Jess Phillips would vote along party lines, suggesting a lack of impartiality. He also noted that accusations against one Member did not include rape allegations.

Government Response

The Leader acknowledged the debate and expressed agreement with several speakers' points. He emphasised the importance of justice principles, stating that penalties must be consistent with those available at the time of offence. However, he maintained that changing rules retrospectively would undermine these principles.

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